RonJeremy Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hayes becomes UFA tonight at midnight, do we have a shot at him? Would promising him starting left wing with G, and Voracek, be enough to land him? I know his brother plays for another team and his two line mates rom college are with Calgary ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @RonJeremy Promise him starting LW? (not sure if serious) He's a 22 year old collegian (23?) who just broke out there. He's nowhere near a top 6 NHLer. Isn't he projected as a 3rd or 4th liner? Maybe I've heard wrong, but that's what I'm hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @RonJeremy Promise him starting LW? (not sure if serious) He's a 22 year old collegian (23?) who just broke out there. He's nowhere near a top 6 NHLer. Isn't he projected as a 3rd or 4th liner? Maybe I've heard wrong, but that's what I'm hearing. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kevin_hayes/ 7.0 C No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @RonJeremy Promise him starting LW? (not sure if serious) He's a 22 year old collegian (23?) who just broke out there. He's nowhere near a top 6 NHLer. Isn't he projected as a 3rd or 4th liner? Maybe I've heard wrong, but that's what I'm hearing. He is a bit demanding to demand a top 6 starting postition especiallty given his prospect grade. Talent or not, seems like he could "potentially" cause locker room issues. No thanks......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's risky, I don't like a few things....1) How many season ending injuries he has had at such a young age....2) the bidding war would mean you would have to "guarantee" top 6 minutes....which is a bit much, way over the top in fact.... The thing I do like...Metzler has stated he would instantly become the Flyers top forward prospect, which is saying a lot, considering we have a stud like Laughton waiting in the wings. Personally, I don't think he's can be as good as good as Laughts...I'm very skeptical of Metzler's take on this situation. But...considering Metz is rarely wrong, I'd at least kick the bucket, but the promise of a top 6 minutes (if that is true like I'm hearing)....that just rubs me the wrong way. Memo to Mr.Hayes....Ice time is something earned, not bargained for. It makes a total mockery of all the players who worked their asses off to get into the top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kevin_hayes/ 7.0 C No thanks. He is a bit demanding to demand a top 6 starting postition especiallty given his prospect grade. Talent or not, seems like he could "potentially" cause locker room issues. No thanks......... I'd have no problem signing the guy if he had no problem earning a spot. Just because he had ONE good year in college playing ALONGSIDE Gaudreau doesn't make him a superstar. I prefer Hextalls earn it ideology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Memo to Mr.Hayes....Ice time is something earned, not bargained for. It makes a total mockery of all the players who worked their asses off to get into the top 6. I'd have no problem signing the guy if he had no problem earning a spot. Just because he had ONE good year in college playing ALONGSIDE Gaudreau doesn't make him a superstar. I prefer Hextalls earn it ideology. totally agree with this! I just don't like having prospects coming here and demanding a top 6 spot. It sends red flags to me. Now ...if he was agreeable to "earning" his spot then perhaps I can be persuaded to change my stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @RonJeremy Promise him starting LW? (not sure if serious) He's a 22 year old collegian (23?) who just broke out there. He's nowhere near a top 6 NHLer. Isn't he projected as a 3rd or 4th liner? Maybe I've heard wrong, but that's what I'm hearing. I don't believe in promising anyone anything....i don't care if they are 23 or 39 even....nothing ever bad come of having to work for something right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @pilldoc Thing is, the guy is a UFA...he can pick any team he wants, which 99% of players can't do until their 6th or 7th year in the league. That is something special right there. Hayes will get maximum money for a 1st year player, with maximum bonus also.....BUT...he has the chance to hand pick his team...MY BIG QUESTION....why does he *not* want to be a Black Hawk. If you really want to win a cup, why would you not want to play for that team?? They are a top 3-5 team in the league, seems to me they are one of the shortest routes to the Cup. This puzzles me. Did the Hawks GM try to low ball his agent, refuse to give a max rookie contract?? WTF happened here, anyone know the inside scoop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @jammer2 something sounds strange here....agree ..not sure what to make of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @pilldoc Thing is, the guy is a UFA...he can pick any team he wants, which 99% of players can't do until their 6th or 7th year in the league. That is something special right there. Hayes will get maximum money for a 1st year player, with maximum bonus also.....BUT...he has the chance to hand pick his team...MY BIG QUESTION....why does he *not* want to be a Black Hawk. If you really want to win a cup, why would you not want to play for that team?? They are a top 3-5 team in the league, seems to me they are one of the shortest routes to the Cup. This puzzles me. Did the Hawks GM try to low ball his agent, refuse to give a max rookie contract?? WTF happened here, anyone know the inside scoop? Well he is form Massachusetts so maybe he wants to be a Bruin and stay close to home if he becomes a free agent we'll just have to wait and see just like Umburger didn't want to sign with the Canucks, if there is a loop hole and they can exploit it i can't blame them. I decided where i went to work and wouldn't want someone else deciding for me....not saying i agree with it all but understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Right now our first line LW is Raffl or Umberger, or Laugton....we could really use a top young forward, we don't have any decent wingers at all in our farm system. Has anyone seen this kid Hayes play ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 @RonJeremy That's just it Ron, he really fits a need, a big physical 2 way guy who is ready to jump in and play right now. Considering how weak we are at wing, in the NHL, AHL and prospect pool....this would be a big get for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 @RonJeremy That's just it Ron, he really fits a need, a big physical 2 way guy who is ready to jump in and play right now. Considering how weak we are at wing, in the NHL, AHL and prospect pool....this would be a big get for us.And denies opportunities for guys like Raffl and Akeson who could have earned their way up the organization to the top line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I have no problem signing the guy, even for rookie maximum with bonus clauses, as long as he's made to compete for a spot. But if he wants to be promised top-6 minutes without playing a second of pro hockey, I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 And denies opportunities for guys like Raffl and Akeson who could have earned their way up the organization to the top line. Valid point doom, but in the end, the goal is to get better. If Hexy was to make this move, it would mean he projects Hayes to be better than Raffl and or Akeson. Raffl is a real intriguing dude, who knows how good he can become? Love the way you can shuffle him onto any line and he fits perfectly, from the top line right down to the 4th. That is rare from such a young guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Valid point doom, but in the end, the goal is to get better. If Hexy was to make this move, it would mean he projects Hayes to be better than Raffl and or Akeson. Raffl is a real intriguing dude, who knows how good he can become? Love the way you can shuffle him onto any line and he fits perfectly, from the top line right down to the 4th. That is rare from such a young guy.Hayes is nobody right now, and has a serious injury history. I think sticking with our guys makes the Flyers better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Hayes is nobody right now, and has a serious injury history. I think sticking with our guys makes the Flyers better. really ... did not know that....what serious injury? ACL? Shoulder? Concussions? I must have missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) @doom88 I'm really interested to see where Akeson goes as a player. I really liked his poise when he was called up. He's either going to be a bust cause he starts to get hurt with his super thin frame....or he could just turn into an offensive dynamo. If he can avoid being a tweener and contribute on the bottom 2 lines, he could find his niche as a pp specialist. He just has that kinda skill set where you just know he would be awesome in space on the top pp...that is where you would eventually get the most out of his ability. Akeson's creativity is friggin off the charts, that's why he has put up amazing totals at every level he's played at...from bantam right to the OHL.....almost all 100+ point seasons. I really understand your reasoning here. I really want to explore both these players, and Hayes would directly effect one of these guys, guaranteed. It is possbile, it's far fetched, but Akeson could be a 80 pt star....you have to explore where he is going to go as a player.....and the only way to do that is to give him a decent amount of playing time at the NHL level. How bout this, we think outside the box a bit...and let Hayes, Akeson and Raffl all play.....trade Ummby before the plays a game (again) for the O&B....go young on the wing and let them all play and develop. If Hayes is as good as advertised, he will provide as many pts as Ummby anyways. Edited August 16, 2014 by jammer2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) this would be a big get for us Absolutely. I like him in college, what i saw of him. But i ain't promising anyone anything if he wants to come in and earn sure. Edited August 16, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 @doom88 I'm really interested to see where Akeson goes as a player. I really liked his poise when he was called up. He's either going to be a bust cause he starts to get hurt with his super thin frame....or he could just turn into an offensive dynamo. If he can avoid being a tweener and contribute on the bottom 2 lines, he could find his niche as a pp specialist. He just has that kinda skill set where you just know he would be awesome in space on the top pp...that is where you would eventually get the most out of his ability. Akeson's creativity is friggin off the charts, that's why he has put up amazing totals at every level he's played at...from bantam right to the OHL.....almost all 100+ point seasons. I really understand your reasoning here. I really want to explore both these players, and Hayes would directly effect one of these guys, guaranteed. It is possbile, it's far fetched, but Akeson could be a 80 pt star....you have to explore where he is going to go as a player.....and the only way to do that is to give him a decent amount of playing time at the NHL level. How bout this, we think outside the box a bit...and let Hayes, Akeson and Raffl all play.....trade Ummby before the plays a game (again) for the O&B....go young on the wing and let them all play and develop. If Hayes is as good as advertised, he will provide as many pts as Ummby anyways. I'm out of likes for the day. Again agree with all you said. Especially the last line. Trade RJ and let them fight it out. Seriously what can it hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Was actually surprised when looking at Akeson's stats from his younger days...he was not a prolific scorer as I thought, but a steady climber like cream that rises to the top....only question is, can he do that in the best league in the world....this year, we will start to find out. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=111604 Was a bit surpised to see his was 5'10 and 190, he did not appear to be that big. I thought he was 170, honestly.....lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Hayes is nobody right now, and has a serious injury history. I'm not aware of any injury history. I know he played on a line with Flames forwards Arnold and Gaudreau. Had a nice senior year. Edited August 16, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=chicagoblackhawks&id=4679317&city=chicago&src=desktopInjury stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 @doom88 Yeah, that is a big downside, the chances of him staying healthy are slim from where I sit. A solid 50-60% chance he ends up getting hurt for substantial time as a pro. It's not really fair to tag a player like that, but this kind of thing has played out many times, a few major injuries usually spells more around the bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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