Bobrovsky forced homer to trade him?

[King Knut]

No one's chattering about this story.

Kind of amuses me.

It's occurring to me recently that we keep putting these organizations in the hands of guys who didn't really finish high school and more than likely have all had a few undisgnosed concussions.

[Samifan]

Link?

[doom88]

It was mentioned on Philly.com

Good for Bob. The writing was on the wall when signing Bryz, and Bob came over to start in the NHL. Nice to see a player take the business to management.

[Vanflyer]

I have to think about this. Bobs was a RFA at that time. I am not sure how he can force anything at that point. 

 

Worst move Homer made. I really like Mason (the mason deal was a post bobs deal), but I like Bobs more. 

[Adamflyers]

I don't blame Bob in the least.  He knew his path was blocked when they brought in the Space Cadet on a 9 year deal.  He knew he had enough talent to be a starter and he told them exactly what most others in his position would have.  It just further highlights to horrible decision to bring in Bryz.

[Vanflyer]

 He knew he had enough talent to be a starter and he told them exactly what most others in his position would have.

 

Perhaps and for sure he was blocked by the atrocious blunder of homer signing breezy. The thing is that there was no return (of mention). While I would prefer to have bobs, here is how it all worked out: 

 

bobs for : 2012 2nd Rounder (Anthony Stolarz), 2012 4th Rounder (Taylor Leier) & 2013 4th Rounder (transferred to LA - Justin Auger)

 

 

Steve Mason Anaheim Mighty Ducks

Michael Leighton & 2015 3rd rounder

 

 

boil it down: 

 

Flyers get: 

 

Steve Mason (G), Anthony Stolarz (G), Tyler Leire (having a great camp)  

 

Columbus got Bobs

 

There are some picks of the later 3rd round. 

 

For me its a win-win trade. Flyers get some development assets. Curious why Mason could not resurrect in Columbus. Its also interesting that it was not a goalie goalie trade. There is a back story there somewhere. 

[Adamflyers]

Perhaps and for sure he was blocked by the atrocious blunder of homer signing breezy. The thing is that there was no return (of mention). While I would prefer to have bobs, here is how it all worked out: 

 

bobs for : 2012 2nd Rounder (Anthony Stolarz), 2012 4th Rounder (Taylor Leier) & 2013 4th Rounder (transferred to LA - Justin Auger)

 

 

Steve Mason Anaheim Mighty Ducks

Michael Leighton & 2015 3rd rounder

 

 

boil it down: 

 

Flyers get: 

 

Steve Mason (G), Anthony Stolarz (G), Tyler Leire (having a great camp)  

 

Columbus got Bobs

 

There are some picks of the later 3rd round. 

 

For me its a win-win trade. Flyers get some development assets. Curious why Mason could not resurrect in Columbus. Its also interesting that it was not a goalie goalie trade. There is a back story there somewhere. 

I'm happy with the end result of it to be honest, but the Flyers are very lucky to have landed on their feet after the Bryzaster.  It just so happens that Mason only needed a change of scenery rather than just being a flash in the pan.  If Mason didn't pan out, it would be hard to view this as anything but a huge setback for the Flyers.  Stolarz and Leire will hopefully both become good players, but the Flyers needed someone to give them an instant boost and Mason has been that.

[Howie58]

It is hard for me to understand why this is being discussed (by the O and B) two years after the fact. Are we being prepared for a regression on Mason's part?  Is this a quiet/implicit trashing of Homer?

 

I don't blame Bobo for wanting out either. I am beginning to wonder if the Bryz deal was a plus for the organization to the extent it was a warning about long-term, expensive signings.  Some lessons are hard learned.

 

Best,

 

Howie

[RonJeremy]

It's just damage control by Snider, Bob wasn't gonna re-sign if he was a backup buried behind Bryz. Bob saw the contract amount and contract length and saw the writing on the wall, that he would be a backup forever with Philly. If we never signed Bryz , Bob would never had said that he wouldn't sign. Snider is just trying to soften the blow of those two moronic deals.

[jammer2]

  "This will never happen again!!" .....even if it means we deal the next great thing in net. Pffffftttt....

[Vanflyer]

It is hard for me to understand why this is being discussed (by the O and B) two years after the fact.

 

Hey Howie,

 

I would just call it the pre-season blues or whatever. It is a bit of a dead horse, but then there have been horses dead much longer than this one that have been (and will continue) to be repeatedly beaten. 

[ruxpin]

Hey Howie,

I would just call it the pre-season blues or whatever. It is a bit of a dead horse, but then there have been horses dead much longer than this one that have been (and will continue) to be repeatedly beaten.

Justin Williams says hello.

[jammer2]

Hey Howie,

 

I would just call it the pre-season blues or whatever. It is a bit of a dead horse, but then there have been horses dead much longer than this one that have been (and will continue) to be repeatedly beaten. 

 

 Hitch hates youth!!  

[canoli]

but the Flyers are very lucky to have landed on their feet after the Bryzaster

 

amen to that. Luck along with a good "recovery" move by Homer, to sign Mason after Mason was all but washed up forever... now he's the best goalie we've had in a long time.

[brelic]

I am beginning to wonder if the Bryz deal was a plus for the organization to the extent it was a warning about long-term, expensive signings.  Some lessons are hard learned.

 

They bought out Bryz and Briere to get out of long-term deals so they could immediately go strike another one with a player we didn't need. Some lessons are NEVER learned

 

I honestly do think they have turned a corner with Hextall. Granted, he's been on the job less than 6 months and his hands were severely tied this summer, so it will take much longer to evaluate him of course. But so far, he's saying the right things and hasn't made any panic moves. 

 

Let's say the Flyers stumble out of the gate again - or are out of the playoff picture by Christmas - his actions at that point will be more indicative of whether or not we're seeing a "new philosophy" or the "same old, same old."

[brelic]

I'm happy with the end result of it to be honest, but the Flyers are very lucky to have landed on their feet after the Bryzaster.  It just so happens that Mason only needed a change of scenery rather than just being a flash in the pan.  If Mason didn't pan out, it would be hard to view this as anything but a huge setback for the Flyers.  Stolarz and Leire will hopefully both become good players, but the Flyers needed someone to give them an instant boost and Mason has been that.

 

Yeah, so far it seems to have worked out with Mason. The way he played in the Rangers series was amazing. That went a long way to proving he has another level, and can come into a pressure cooker and deliver.

 

So, yeah, Mason, Leier and Stolarz have the potential to make the Bob trade extremely one-sided in our favour. 

 

One thing I will say about Mason is that I think his personality is much more suited to this group than Bobrovsky. Mason is part of the core and fitting right in. He seems like a nice, easy going guy, and the media likes him. Bob seemed like he was a bit more on his own, learning a new language, new culture. Nothing wrong with that, but for team chemistry, I think a guy like Mason is better. Guys will battle hard for him.

 

EDIT: Love how Snider says "Paul made what I think was a great move in picking up Mason, who’s not chopped liver."

 

Haha, that's the worst endorsement EVER!

 

"Listen, uh, Steve.... we looked at chopped liver. And we didn't want that. So that brings us to you."

[Howie58]

Bre:

 

You raise a great point; a poor start would be the acid test.  My gut says Hextall will allow for a hard start given the difficulty of the schedule (was looking last night...yikes, a rough,challenging start) plus line shifting, etc. But if we show no progress by trade deadline, or even New Year's, we might get your test.

 

Best,

Howie

[doom88]

I wonder how much impatience was really relating to Snider's cancer, and his desire to win one more / fear of never seeing the Cup again.

[brelic]

It's not Homer's fault Snider got cancer.

 

OH SNAP!
 

[SKiFit]

It's not Homer's fault Snider got cancer.

 

OH SNAP!

 

I see what you did there... nice!

[doom88]

It's not Homer's fault Snider got cancer.

OH SNAP!

True, but meddling owners win all arguments. It's a perk of being the boss. See Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and the late Al Davis.

[King Knut]

It'll be a while before we know what to think about Hexy. His hands are ties way too right to make many impact moves for several years.

He looks to have a backlog of young talent to play with. We'll see if he turns that into positive moves though.

They bought out Bryz and Briere to get out of long-term deals so they could immediately go strike another one with a player we didn't need. Some lessons are NEVER learned

I honestly do think they have turned a corner with Hextall. Granted, he's been on the job less than 6 months and his hands were severely tied this summer, so it will take much longer to evaluate him of course. But so far, he's saying the right things and hasn't made any panic moves.

Let's say the Flyers stumble out of the gate again - or are out of the playoff picture by Christmas - his actions at that point will be more indicative of whether or not we're seeing a "new philosophy" or the "same old, same old."

[jammer2]

   The only thing I have seen from Hexy that I have not liked was the signing of Schultz. I was hoping the days of hiring some crappy 7th d-man were over. We have guys like Alt and to a lesser extent Manning, these guys basically have to make the jump or be labled career AHL'ers....why not give them a shot at the 7th d-man spot and save one of the 50 contracts. It's not like you can say that Alt or Manning need playing time, what they need is to make the jump to the NHL, even as a 7th d-man with limited playing time. Other than that (which is admittedly being kinda picky) I have not seen a bad move by Hexy. I have a lot of faith in Ron, and really, how can he possibly do worse than Homer the stiff!! 

[doom88]

I like the experienced 7th defenseman for the exact reason of getting the young guys more quality ice time (in the AHL). #7s aren't running PPs...

[jammer2]

I like the experienced 7th defenseman for the exact reason of getting the young guys more quality ice time (in the AHL). #7s aren't running PPs...

 

 Normally, I'd agree with you, but Alt is 23 now. He's accomplished everything he can at the AHL level. It's time to move him along. Even if he's not in the Flyers long term plans (which would be a big mistake IMHO) they will not be able to get respectable value for him if he's not moved to the NHL level this year. Even with limited ice time, he could still make himself more valuable to a potential trading partner. I fear the Flyers well end up losing him for nothing, when a bit of playing time could lead to a much better return, or a move into our top 6....which I would love to see for Alt.

 

 Edit....Alt turns 23 on Oct 18.