Glad they challenged niskanen from the bench and not the ice

[icehole]

I hate this team.  Tell me when it's over.

[mojo1917]

Why do they need to challenge a guy for a clean hit?

Take his number and pay him back with a clean hit later, what does dropping gloves do to help the team?

[icehole]

Why do they need to challenge a guy for a clean hit?

Take his number and pay him back with a clean hit later, what does dropping gloves do to help the team?

Because this team has no life and no grit.  It was clean but that run took one of your teammates out.  Im sure they got his number...I wont hold my breath waiting for that payback hit.

Dropping the gloves gives this team what most good teams have...heart.

[icehole]

I'm still waiting for that big hit.  Do you think it will happen in the tunnel after the game?  Who do you think will lay him out...probably Vandavele.  I hope the cameras are back there.  Maybe we'll see it on the post game show. 

They were diciplined and it got them....nothing.  Thats actually a good thing so I dont know what I'm complaining about.

[mojo1917]

Happy to help LOL

[icehole]

That was probably immature of me.  I was mad about it and shouldn't have been a smart@ss about it.

My point is that the Flyers are missing that fire and team bond that makes teams good.  If I were Laughton after I got my brain right, Id be thinking "why didnt anyone stick up for me?"  I think there is more benefit to MAYBE getting an instigation penalty there and starting a scrum than there is to doing nothing and moving on as normal.  Just like there is more benefit in having Rinaldo out there to add some intensity instead of getting the occasional point from Umberger, Bellemare, and Vandavelde.

Instead, they were bench tough guys and they ended up getting shut out.  Oh well.

[ruxpin]

Good clean hit. Nothing to challenge.

I'm not sure what purpose the yapping on the bench served, but I'm glad they didn't do anything stupid on the ice.

[icehole]

The hit was clean but that doesnt mean you can't be upset that a guy took a run at one of your young prospects.  This team and some of it's fans have gone soft.  If you don't want to drop the gloves at least try to take a run at one of their guys.  I kew that wouldnt happen and that's why I hate this team.  The '06/'07 team (I think) was a good bunch even though they came in last place.  This group is just nothing but boring and its taking away my love for tge game.

[Polaris922]

But... Your boys were in it till the end with several good chances. Take a stupid penalty "avenging" a clean hit and you open the door to being down 2 goals instead of 1.

[radoran]

If they'd gone after Tucker after plastering Kapnanen, JR doesn't score to beat Tronno.

Hits are part of the game. You don't respond to a clean hit by taking a stupid penalty.

That said, the question of team cohesiveness is a valid one. It's just that the answer isn't taking stupid penalties.

[flyercanuck]

I hate the fight on a clean hit. Hitting is part of the game. Take a number and hit him back...cleanly. 

 

Any word on laughton?

[murraycraven]

I dont get why there should be a retaliation here... it was an absolutely clean hit.  There is no point to it.   Take his number and make a clean hit when and if you get a chance.   Why risk giving the team another power play?

 

Goon hockey is over - simple as that.

[JackStraw]

The problem with this team is that they don't have enough internet tough guys. That's the problem... 

[murraycraven]

The problem with this team is that they don't have enough internet tough guys. That's the problem... 

 

 

LOL... well pplayed sir...  well played.

[fanaticV3.0]

Some of you sound like a bunch of pansies. I'm not even gonna say girls, because that's an insult to girls (there's some tough chicks out there). You're talking about risking a penalty and still being in the game as if that matters. What planet are you on? They win that game last night and not a single thing changes. They still suck. They still aren't making the PO. Only now, instead of just losing, they showed they won't even go to bat for one another (and it's got nothing to do with it being a clean hit). They sit there yapping about it and don't do d-ck about anything in the end. Nobody respects that. Nobody fears that. And that kind of stuff kills a team's spirit (not like this team has any left anyway).

 

Some of you, many of you in fact, grew up watching 70s hockey. I hate 70s hockey. I think it's a freak show and would never want to go back to that. But that's what got many into the sport. But now? Now the league has you convinced that fighting is of the Devil and speed and skill are all that matters. Modern hockey f-cking SUCKS when you're no good. When I was growing up, at least you could count on a few fights if your team was no good. It's ironic as hell that some of you seem to have bought into this crap considering the era a lot of you grew up in. Rendell is right, we're a nation of wusses.

[murraycraven]

[radoran]

Some of you sound like a bunch of pansies. I'm not even gonna say girls, because that's an insult to girls (there's some tough chicks out there). You're talking about risking a penalty and still being in the game as if that matters. What planet are you on? They win that game last night and not a single thing changes. They still suck. They still aren't making the PO. Only now, instead of just losing, they showed they won't even go to bat for one another (and it's got nothing to do with it being a clean hit). They sit there yapping about it and don't do d-ck about anything in the end. Nobody respects that. Nobody fears that. And that kind of stuff kills a team's spirit (not like this team has any left anyway).

 

Some of you, many of you in fact, grew up watching 70s hockey. I hate 70s hockey. I think it's a freak show and would never want to go back to that. But that's what got many into the sport. But now? Now the league has you convinced that fighting is of the Devil and speed and skill are all that matters. Modern hockey f-cking SUCKS when you're no good. When I was growing up, at least you could count on a few fights if your team was no good. It's ironic as hell that some of you seem to have bought into this crap considering the era a lot of you grew up in. Rendell is right, we're a nation of wusses.

 

Sit down, Francis.

 

I have no problem with a good fight. I've defended fighting many times. I think it is an important part of the game.

 

Hitting is also an important part of the game. But legit clean hitting shouldn't result in an automatic fight. This wasn't a cheap shot. This wasn't Niskanen "targeting" Laughton. This was a player playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

 

You don't start a fight because the guy was playing the game the way it is meant to be played. That's exactly the 70s-style stuff that you claim to hate while complaining that no one else apparently wants to be a neanderthal about it.

 

Take numbers. Look for your chance to put a clean hit down. Be testy in scrums after the whistle. Try to provoke a response so that the other team takes the dumb penalty.

 

Make this your advantage, not taking the instigator and putting your team on the PK.

 

That's called "hockey" - perhaps you have heard of it?

 

Again, if the Flyers decided to jump Tucker for the Kapanen hit, JR doesn't score and the Flyers might not beat the Leafs in that series.

 

I'd rather win the game than get some "revenge" on a guy for playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

[fanaticV3.0]

Sit down, Francis.

 

I have no problem with a good fight. I've defended fighting many times. I think it is an important part of the game.

 

Hitting is also an important part of the game. But legit clean hitting shouldn't result in an automatic fight. This wasn't a cheap shot. This wasn't Niskanen "targeting" Laughton. This was a player playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

 

You don't start a fight because the guy was playing the game the way it is meant to be played. That's exactly the 70s-style stuff that you claim to hate while complaining that no one else apparently wants to be a neanderthal about it.

 

Take numbers. Look for your chance to put a clean hit down. Be testy in scrums after the whistle. Try to provoke a response so that the other team takes the dumb penalty.

 

Make this your advantage, not taking the instigator and putting your team on the PK.

 

That's called "hockey" - perhaps you have heard of it?

 

Again, if the Flyers decided to jump Tucker for the Kapanen hit, JR doesn't score and the Flyers might not beat the Leafs in that series.

 

I'd rather win the game than get some "revenge" on a guy for playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

 

Stop comparing a regular season game of a sh-tty team with no heart that has no chance of making the playoffs to an actual playoff run. That comparison has no merit.

[brelic]

Some of you sound like a bunch of pansies. I'm not even gonna say girls, because that's an insult to girls (there's some tough chicks out there). You're talking about risking a penalty and still being in the game as if that matters. What planet are you on? They win that game last night and not a single thing changes. They still suck. They still aren't making the PO. Only now, instead of just losing, they showed they won't even go to bat for one another (and it's got nothing to do with it being a clean hit). They sit there yapping about it and don't do d-ck about anything in the end. Nobody respects that. Nobody fears that. And that kind of stuff kills a team's spirit (not like this team has any left anyway).

 

Some of you, many of you in fact, grew up watching 70s hockey. I hate 70s hockey. I think it's a freak show and would never want to go back to that. But that's what got many into the sport. But now? Now the league has you convinced that fighting is of the Devil and speed and skill are all that matters. Modern hockey f-cking SUCKS when you're no good. When I was growing up, at least you could count on a few fights if your team was no good. It's ironic as hell that some of you seem to have bought into this crap considering the era a lot of you grew up in. Rendell is right, we're a nation of wusses.

 

I dunno - this was a pretty weak response to taking out the captain and best player of the team *in the playoffs*. And that hit wouldn't necessarily be called clean today.

 

[mojo1917]

@icehole

 

i totally get your level of frustration, especially if you watch some other teams play with speed and physicality and then start to watch our team.

 

take CBJ or the Jets, those guys bring the pain, they're big , they skate well, they hit they compete for every inch of ice.  Sort of the way the Flyers used to play .  So I get it.  Our team isn't fast or big anymore there are guys with a lot of skill though  so until we get more speed and size on the roster i think this is what we're "stuck " with. 

 

@fanaticV3.0 i don't hate fighting , i hate that the second a guy hits another guy people feel the need to throw down,  it is a contact sport , guys do get hit.  that was an awesome, clean hit, its the kind of hit the league would like to see (minus Laughton landing on queer street) .   what doesn't help the game at all is stopping the play so a guy can pull on niskanen's sweater for 2 minutes because ... why?  that's ****** stupid.

 

I think there is a place for fighting in hockey, i think last nights scenario isn't one of them.  you're gonna paint with a broad brush don't be surprised when it covers things you don't want it to. 

 

EDIT:

I watched half the 1st and all the 2nd period last night and thought our guys competed and played well, there were some good chances that Holtby stopped, the PK looked good finally, the PP looked alright too,  I didn't see the 3rd though so i can't say "great effort poor result" with total accuracy. 

[radoran]

Stop comparing a regular season game of a sh-tty team with no heart that has no chance of making the playoffs to an actual playoff run. That comparison has no merit.

 

The comparison is of two hockey games. They have absolute merit.

 

But as long as we're going there, your commentary has no merit and your attempts to ignore the obvious aren't reflecting well upon you.

 

And, as I posted in the Niskanen thread, why didn't the Pens jump all over Suter?

 

There you go, regular season game to regular season game.

 

For once, just try to deal with the fact that you're wrong. Again.

[fanaticV3.0]

I dunno - this was a pretty weak response to taking out the captain and best player of the team *in the playoffs*. And that hit wouldn't necessarily be called clean today.

 

 

Playoffs are different and I think (though I'm starting to doubt that) we all know that. You don't risk anything in the playoffs if you don't have to, because...you know the season is on the line?

[Podein25]

For once, just try to deal with the fact that you're wrong.

 

 

Or just deal with facts.

[fanaticV3.0]

The comparison is of two hockey games. They have absolute merit.

 

But as long as we're going there, your commentary has no merit and your attempts to ignore the obvious aren't reflecting well upon you.

 

And, as I posted in the Niskanen thread, why didn't the Pens jump all over Suter?

 

There you go, regular season game to regular season game.

 

For once, just try to deal with the fact that you're wrong. Again.

 

Stop being so obtuse. I don't even disagree with your point - you don't risk a win for revenge in an important game. But there's no risk in a non-playoff game for a team that is already out of the playoffs. Comparing that to a playoff series is a bad comparison. You know this.

 

I don't know. I didn't see that game, nor to I know the incident you're talking about. But my wild guess is it might have something to do with the fact that they are currently fighting for the top spot in the conference?

[fanaticV3.0]

@icehole

 

i totally get your level of frustration, especially if you watch some other teams play with speed and physicality and then start to watch our team.

 

take CBJ or the Jets, those guys bring the pain, they're big , they skate well, they hit they compete for every inch of ice.  Sort of the way the Flyers used to play .  So I get it.  Our team isn't fast or big anymore there are guys with a lot of skill though  so until we get more speed and size on the roster i think this is what we're "stuck " with. 

 

@fanaticV3.0 i don't hate fighting , i hate that the second a guy hits another guy people feel the need to throw down,  it is a contact sport , guys do get hit.  that was an awesome, clean hit, its the kind of hit the league would like to see (minus Laughton landing on queer street) .   what doesn't help the game at all is stopping the play so a guy can pull on niskanen's sweater for 2 minutes because ... why?  that's ****** stupid.

 

I think there is a place for fighting in hockey, i think last nights scenario isn't one of them.  you're gonna paint with a broad brush don't be surprised when it covers things you don't want it to. 

 

EDIT:

I watched half the 1st and all the 2nd period last night and thought our guys competed and played well, there were some good chances that Holtby stopped, the PK looked good finally, the PP looked alright too,  I didn't see the 3rd though so i can't say "great effort poor result" with total accuracy. 

 

Why? What do you risk losing by doing it? Their season is no different if they win that game.