radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The layout of the rule doesn't make a lot of sense. Why the differentiation between trades that occured before and after the new CBA? Because you could essentially be penalizing teams for taking actions that were completely legal when they were taken. How is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 just to play devil's advocate here (not that you really need an advocate but, just saying...) Did you just call me the devil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Did you just call me the devil? I may have. But we know that you're not, because you actually exist. Or... do you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 UPON FURTHER REVIEW - this hadn't really occured to me until looking at it in the shoutbox. LOS ANGELES is the team that has actually benefitted from the cap shenanigans. Richards made $5.4, $5.6 and $6.4M in the first three years of the deal. That's one year above the AAV of the contract. LA has paid him $6.6, $8.4, $7.6, $7 for his four years there - that's ALL above the AAV of the contract. How on Earth would the Flyers be in any way responsible for the cap benefit The Kings took!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hmm... Nevermind this post. Not the text of the rule as written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Essentially what I have found so far is that the league's original proposal was just what the Leafs' guys were saying: Player retires, cap hit for the remainder of the contract reverts to the original signing team. However, that appears to have been modified into the recapture rule. Still not positive I have all the details right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I may have. But we know that you're not, because you actually exist. Or... do you??? I suppose it depends upon which login you/I/we are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Pick him up homer er um hexy and the cup is ours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Still not positive I have all the details right. I'm willing to bet the league isn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Someone email the question to Homer. "Cap recap...what?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well, how could they know? They hardly know I exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well, how could they know? They hardly know I exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 LA is currently out of the playoff picture. They could still make it (they're only 9th), but if the playoffs started today they'd be out. What are the odds that if a playoff team picks him up, and LA still isn't in, Carter starts to get sad and pouts his way to into wherever Richards lands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Carter starts to get sad and pouts his way to into wherever Richards lands? I would think if ol' frosty tips did it once he would do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This article suggests he'll be released by Flyers west. http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/kings-waive-former-flyers-captain-mike-richards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This article suggests he'll be released by Flyers west.http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/kings-waive-former-flyers-captain-mike-richardsDoesn't "waived" = released, cut, let go etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Doesn't "waived" = released, cut, let go etc? No, you have to pass through waivers to be sent down. Even have gone through, you don't need to be sent down immediately - it remains in effect for (insert number of days I am uncertain about here) 30? days? LA could simply be seeing if anyone would take him off their hands. If he is assigned to the AHL and refuses, then he could void his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why are we talking about Richard's retiring??? He being waived. I doubt he is gonna retire and leave all the money on the table. He would "ride the AHL Bus" if he has to I would think. Besides, sooner or later someone will work a deal for him. I think retirement talk is a wee bit pre-mature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why are we talking about Richard's retiring??? He being waived. I doubt he is gonna retire and leave all the money on the table. He would "ride the AHL Bus" if he has to I would think. Besides, sooner or later someone will work a deal for him. I think retirement talk is a wee bit pre-mature... jammer brought it up as a possible repercussion in a worst case scenario. Of course it was from a Leafs talk radio show, so take that for what it's worth I don't believe Richards leaves all the money on the table, either. Especially if his skills have "eroded" and he "will never be the same player again." This is his payday. He's got to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 No, you have to pass through waivers to be sent down. Even have gone through, you don't need to be sent down immediately - it remains in effect for (insert number of days I am uncertain about here) 30? days?LA could simply be seeing if anyone would take him off their hands.If he is assigned to the AHL and refuses, then he could void his contract.OK fair enough, but what would "released" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Why are we talking about Richard's retiring??? He being waived. I doubt he is gonna retire and leave all the money on the table. He would "ride the AHL Bus" if he has to I would think. Besides, sooner or later someone will work a deal for him. I think retirement talk is a wee bit pre-mature... I don't like him and rip him as much as much as any other fan who is not...a fan, but I have a hard time believe he's that bad at 29 that he'd be forced into retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I would think if ol' frosty tips did it once he would do it again I don't think it happens this season, but if LA misses the playoffs, and Richards lands somewhere better, just you watch. Bitch boy will be pouting his lips more than Kim Kardashian this off season. It would be good for a laugh at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 OK fair enough, but what would "released" mean? They put him through waivers and then release him. It means that they still have to pay him his contract and are on the hook for the cap hit as well. They do gain a roster spot. If Richards then "retires" he voids the contract. (see: Kovalchuk, Ilya) But I don't think that Richards is then able to re-sign with another team for the duration of the term of the original contract - anyone? anyone? Bueller? Honestly, aside from $925K in cap savings or the possibility someone picks up the remainder of his contract, I'm not sure what else the Kings can get out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 OK fair enough, but what would "released" mean? You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't think it happens this season, but if LA misses the playoffs, and Richards lands somewhere better, just you watch. Bitch boy will be pouting his lips more than Kim Kardashian this off season. It would be good for a laugh at least. @murraycraven Nice work with frosty tips btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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