hf101 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Los Angeles Assistant coach Davis Payne could be a dark horse candidate for the Flyers. Payne, 44, was an assistant for the 2012-13 season in LA when Flyers GM Ron Hextall was assistant there under Dean Lombardi and before that was the St. Louis Blues' head coach for parts of three seasons, building a 67-55-15 record."Payne is a guy who got hired by (Kings GM) Dean Lombardi when Hextall was there and when he was in St. Louis his teams played hard for him," the source told NJ Advance Media. "Before that he won a championship in the East Coast League. "That's a name that comes to mind who Hextall could go after."Payne spending the last three seasons in LA as an assistant to Darryl Sutter, their 2013-14 Cup team among them, has to help his chances of becoming a legit candidate. Hextall, after all, has so much respect for Lombardi and the Kings that he's changed how Flyers management operates to try mimicking LA, which won two Cups in three years before missing the playoffs this season.Payne's coaching resume is impressive, as the closest he's come to having a losing record in 11 seasons as a head coach came when he was fired the Blues with a 6-7 record early into the 2011-12."I just try to work with the players to get everything from them that they can give," Payne told NHL.com in November 2013. "I want my teams to be aggressive, to relentlessly go after the puck."The Kamloops, British Columbia native had seven consecutive winning seasons and won a Kelly Cup for the ECHL's Alaska Aces from 2000-07, then coached the AHL's Peoria Rivermen to two consecutive winning seasons and he had a winning record in a third when leaving to coach the Blues.In St. Louis, he finished the 2009-10 season at 23-15-14 as a rookie NHL head coach, then was 38-33-11 the next season, one in which the Blues missed the playoffs by the 10 points. He was let go 13 games into the following season, then became a Kings assistant the next."The best moments are when you can see a player get it," said Payne, a former right wing who played 22 NHL games for Boston from 1995-97. "When you work over and over in practice with the team or a player, and then when that player comes through and everything just clicks in a game and helps the team win ... that is what makes it worthwhile and memorable for me."http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2015/04/flyers_coaching_search_kings_assistant_davis_payne.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I must admit I know absolutely nothing about him, however the article you posted is very interesting. I like what I read. Even better, Hexy already has a pretty good read on this guy if he chooses to go that route. Very interesting indeed...thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briere48 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 i trust what hextall is going to do, babcock is a long shot to be honest although we dont know if hexy will want him and if he's the best fit for the team, it's all about fit right now and the players we have, we have alot of youth and not alot of scoring. we need a defensive coach but also who is good with younger players, that's the type of coach we need. it may not be a popular big name coach but if he fits the roster, i think this team can contend. big name coaches dont mean success if they dont fit the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 big name coaches dont mean success if they dont fit the roster. Absolutely right. And the Flyers have a habit of getting players and coaches (Lavi, Hitch) who have had success in the past - perhaps above more important aspects like fit with the team, the culture, addressing an actual need, etc. I'm no longer sold on Babcock being the best guy for Philly, honestly. He just happens to be the biggest name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 big name coaches dont mean success if they dont fit the roster. and I finally agree with you! well said sir, well said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Absolutely right. And the Flyers have a habit of getting players and coaches (Lavi, Hitch) who have had success in the past - perhaps above more important aspects like fit with the team, the culture, addressing an actual need, etc.I'm no longer sold on Babcock being the best guy for Philly, honestly. He just happens to be the biggest name.And yet Lavy and Hitch did well in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 And yet Lavy and Hitch did well in Philly. I liked Hitch, I just don't get why he did not give the younger players a fair shake. Though I kust admit he has changed his ways with the Blues. Taransenko, Schwartz, Allen, all seem to be doing very well under Hitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briere48 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 and I finally agree with you! well said sir, well said...thank you and I finally agree with you! well said sir, well said...thank youAbsolutely right. And the Flyers have a habit of getting players and coaches (Lavi, Hitch) who have had success in the past - perhaps above more important aspects like fit with the team, the culture, addressing an actual need, etc. I'm no longer sold on Babcock being the best guy for Philly, honestly. He just happens to be the biggest name. exactly, this is why the flyers keep changing coaches because they dont look the roster to see that's fit for the coach and when it doesnt work, they have to sacrifice players/draft picks just get it work for them and it just messes everything up the next year or year after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briere48 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 And yet Lavy and Hitch did well in Philly. i cant fault lavy, it was homer that screwed the roster up for bryz and he should have been fired not lavy, with hitch, like someone said he wanted to play with vets not young players that hurted the team and booted hitch which was the right move, the one thing i give credit when stevens was here was that he had a group of young players and he turned them around, the one thing i think bit stevens, correct me if im wrong was that homer getting pronger, i mean i understand he was trying to get over the hump but he didnt look how he fit with stevens and it got him fired because homer kept getting rid of the players that was working with stevens. it's the same with lavy, things were working with lavy until homer traded them away for players that didnt fit including bryz and it got lavy fired. if homer was fired, stevens and lavy wouldnt have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I liked Hitch, I just don't get why he did not give the younger players a fair shake. Though I kust admit he has changed his ways with the Blues. Taransenko, Schwartz, Allen, all seem to be doing very well under Hitch. When Hitch, in particular, came to Philly they were (as always) very much in "win now" mode. They brought him in because of his Cup. There had to be some amount of pressure on him to produce or follow the line of coach corpses out City Line Avenue. So, I would imagine, it was difficult for him to risk kids or to spend time developing them when vets at least seemed to be a more tried and true option. I think probably objectively it isn't the way to go, but when a man has job security in mind and employer pressure... Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 @ruxpin Plus he was probably distracted with his "golf game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 @ruxpinPlus he was probably distracted with his "golf game".BURN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 @ruxpin Plus he was probably distracted with his "golf game". I thought he was distracted by his "war games" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I thought he was distracted by his "war games"The golf game came with a shemale with boobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Spits up my drink!!!! LOL now that is just plain old disturbing Rux...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 And yet Lavy and Hitch did well in Philly. Yes they did. I really liked Laviolette. Hitch, meh, but there's no denying he was successful here. What I really meant was just because Babcock won a Stanley Cup with Detroit doesn't mean he's the best coach for Philly. The Flyers are the type that would go after name recognition before actually determining whether or not it's the right person for the job. I'm saying I'm happy the Flyers will take their time and interview candidates. That hasn't been the case in the recent past - Stevens, Lavi, and Chief were all same-day hires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yes they did.I really liked Laviolette. Hitch, meh, but there's no denying he was successful here.What I really meant was just because Babcock won a Stanley Cup with Detroit doesn't mean he's the best coach for Philly. The Flyers are the type that would go after name recognition before actually determining whether or not it's the right person for the job.I'm saying I'm happy the Flyers will take their time and interview candidates. That hasn't been the case in the recent past - Stevens, Lavi, and Chief were all same-day hires.I knew what you meant, but they are bad examples to illustrate failure. And, wasn't hiring Lavy a process? They almost ended with Torts iirc.Babcock is the right guy as players will instantly respect him, and have no excuse but their own failures. The guy can flat out coach. Maybe he could have input on the AHL coach too, to sync systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I liked Hitch, I just don't get why he did not give the younger players a fair shake. Though I kust admit he has changed his ways with the Blues. Taransenko, Schwartz, Allen, all seem to be doing very well under Hitch.Well, even though it's been Hitch's reputation, it's not completely true. Remember Pitkanen had his best years under Hitch. And while Richards and Carter were not necessarily given the treatment of vets, I thought Hitch has handled them well, considering they were both unexperienced young kids at that time. Plus, as you mentioned, he seemed to changed his ways of handling youngsters lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Los Angeles Assistant coach Davis Payne could be a dark horse candidate for the Flyers. http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2015/04/flyers_coaching_search_kings_assistant_davis_payne.html Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Pitkanen had his best year playing with a healthy Ratje more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brelic Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I knew what you meant, but they are bad examples to illustrate failure. My intention wasn't to illustrate failure. It was just to say that we have the time to find the best fit for the team, so I'm hopeful Hextall will do that, and not just pursue the shiniest name. Babcock may be the best guy or he may not be, depending on what Hextall is looking for. And, wasn't hiring Lavy a process? They almost ended with Torts iirc Not sure, he was hired the same day Stevens was fired, according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_Flyers_head_coaches I don't remember too much from that time. Babcock is the right guy as players will instantly respect him, and have no excuse but their own failures. The guy can flat out coach. Maybe he could have input on the AHL coach too, to sync systems? Yeah, maybe he is. I don't know. For me, it's a little like trying to determine who the best leader is on the team - I only see the on-ice part of it, and even then it's limited because you don't hear what they're saying on the bench, between periods, etc. All of the off-ice, in-between game stuff is really the foundation of leadership. The game itself is the culmination of that leadership. So, what kind of motivator is Babcock? How does he make players reach their full potential? How does he deal with them behind closed doors, motivate them, stabilize them, push them, etc? How can he get them out of funks or keep them on a roll? How well can he address bad habits or prevent them in the first place? That's what I mean by taking the time to evaluate all of those things to which we're not privvy. And we have the luxury of time for our next coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Well, even though it's been Hitch's reputation, it's not completely true. Remember Pitkanen had his best years under Hitch. And while Richards and Carter were not necessarily given the treatment of vets, I thought Hitch has handled them well, considering they were both unexperienced young kids at that time. Plus, as you mentioned, he seemed to changed his ways of handling youngsters lately. Hitch was horrible with Richards. His linemates while Hitch was head coach were Brian Savage and Donald Brashear. Richards was a proven winner everywhere he went, yet Hitch tried his hardest to break him, which I'll never understand. The fact that Hitch played a run down Petr Nedved over Richards should be all that anyone needs to know that he was completely out of touch with his young players. I hated Hitch. He was the reason why Justin Williams was shipped out of town and he also helped get rid of the one the Flyers better defenders in Danny Markov so that Clarke could bring in his boys Mike Rathje and Derian Hatcher (who was coming off a major ACL rebuild and ultimately had a degenerative knee condition that ended up causing him to get his knee replaced). As for his tenure in St. Louis, he's on thin ice right now because he can't win with the horses he has. He's got two legitimate number one defenders in Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk, what seems to be an all world goaltender in Jake Allen, and two incredible young guns in Tarasenko and Schwarz. Honestly, I hope his fat ass gets crap canned and he never sees light of day in the NHL ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hitch was horrible with Richards. His linemates while Hitch was head coach were Brian Savage and Donald Brashear. Richards was a proven winner everywhere he went, yet Hitch tried his hardest to break him, which I'll never understand. The fact that Hitch played a run down Petr Nedved over Richards should be all that anyone needs to know that he was completely out of touch with his young players. I hated Hitch. He was the reason why Justin Williams was shipped out of town and he also helped get rid of the one the Flyers better defenders in Danny Markov so that Clarke could bring in his boys Mike Rathje and Derian Hatcher (who was coming off a major ACL rebuild and ultimately had a degenerative knee condition that ended up causing him to get his knee replaced). As for his tenure in St. Louis, he's on thin ice right now because he can't win with the horses he has. He's got two legitimate number one defenders in Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk, what seems to be an all world goaltender in Jake Allen, and two incredible young guns in Tarasenko and Schwarz. Honestly, I hope his fat ass gets crap canned and he never sees light of day in the NHL ever again. Be biased all you want... I have never been a big fan of the guy myself. But he came pretty darn close in winning the cup here adn if it wasn't for beyond ridiculous injuries to key players, it would have happened. You are trying to crucify him for something that Clarke did? Are you serious? Like Clarke was a genious GM and has never made a stupid move. If you feel so strongly about Hitch, what about all the coaches who coached here in a not so distant memory? they sure were all winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Honestly, I hope his fat ass gets crap canned and he never sees light of day in the NHL ever again. jeez... I sense some hatred there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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