King Knut Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 ...Well that would be one way to tell Homer what you think of him. I didnt think he needed to have been firedand still don't think he would have been had Lavvy not become available. No Richards, no Carter... But im sure someone would hate him for something else. Anyway..."That said, former Flyers coach John Stevens would be an intriguing hire. The Flyers need better defensive structure, and that's an area that is Stevens' specialty."Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20150428_Why_John_Stevens__return_might_fit_Flyers_just_right.html#b4eUaGQ1yhpSsQPS.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 NO!!! NO!! NO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKiFit Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 An "...intriguing hire..." ? I'll say! This is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 ...Well that would be one way to tell Homer what you think of him.I didnt think he needed to have been firedand still don't think he would have been had Lavvy not become available.No Richards, no Carter... But im sure someone would hate him for something else.Anyway..."That said, former Flyers coach John Stevens would be an intriguing hire. The Flyers need better defensive structure, and that's an area that is Stevens' specialty."Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20150428_Why_John_Stevens__return_might_fit_Flyers_just_right.html#b4eUaGQ1yhpSsQPS.99 I think there has been a few of them that didn't have to be fired the last few years. They are in this bizarre cyclical pattern. They fire way too many coaches, a few who were not really bad enough to warrant firing, but they aren't exactly good either. Berube and Stevens are really good examples of that. Both of them were essentially fired based on a single season; their last season. Nothing they did before that mattered. That's not to say either one of them was some huge loss to the organ-I-zation, but they make snap decisions based on very little. Oh and it's clear Carchidi is just saying sh-t to get people to talk about his columns. Yesterday he brought up Hitchcock, today Stevens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 How about Scott Stevens? You know he would have the players respect, and command of the dressing room. If you're going to hire a guy with no head coaching experience, he would be a good fit. Plus, it would be hilarious to watch ol' Eddie cringing and gnashing his teeth at the introductory press conference. Scotty owes us one, or two from destroying us in the playoffs. It would be like the total opposite of watching Anakin Skywalker join the Dark Side. I NEVER want to see John Stevens behind the Flyer bench again. NO MORE RETREADS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Enough of the retreads...tiime for some new blood. Pilldoc votes ....a resounding NO! I appreciate the Flyers history...but the 1970's, 80's and 90's are long gone. The NHL scene is now vastly different. Time for new blood and ideas outside of this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Maybe after he is hired by Hextall he can invite the team over to bake a cake too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Simply... NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jammer2 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 GOOD GOD NOOOOOOO!!!! If the Flyers hire a stiff like Stevens, I'll PUKE!! This is the chance to have a respectable hockey mind at the helm...at tactician who can match the other coaches wit....sniff out a weakness....Hexy just can't afford to screw this up!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think there has been a few of them that didn't have to be fired the last few years. They are in this bizarre cyclical pattern. They fire way too many coaches, a few who were not really bad enough to warrant firing, but they aren't exactly good either. Berube and Stevens are really good examples of that. Both of them were essentially fired based on a single season; their last season. Nothing they did before that mattered. That's not to say either one of them was some huge loss to the organ-I-zation, but they make snap decisions based on very little. Oh and it's clear Carchidi is just saying sh-t to get people to talk about his columns. Yesterday he brought up Hitchcock, today Stevens. I don't think that's why Berube was fired. I think his team just looked utterly clueless even guys who should know better. case and point, anyone been watching the Lightning? Somehow Coburn knows where to skate to and has been pretty advantageous to them. They're already using him in almost all the situations the Flyers were but to better ends. I think Stevens came across as weak willed. Maybe because he seemed so young. I don't know. I loved the transition game they played under him and that kind of thing might work well with puck moving skilled skaters like Ghost and MDZ on the same team with G and Jake. But I'm not sure Stevens is the kind of guy who decide to leave it all out on the ice band of brothers style for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Actually I think that's what Stevens has... tactician stuff, but I'm afraid that's all he has. I don't know that I think he's got that magic leadership touch that actually gets guys to execute his tactics well or dig down deeper than they knew they had to get out there with a big push in the third overtime. GOOD GOD NOOOOOOO!!!! If the Flyers hire a stiff like Stevens, I'll PUKE!! This is the chance to have a respectable hockey mind at the helm...at tactician who can match the other coaches wit....sniff out a weakness....Hexy just can't afford to screw this up!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I NEVER want to see John Stevens behind the Flyer bench again. NO MORE RETREADS. While I completely agree with the no more retreads idea, I just can't imagine having a strong reaction to Stevens in any way shape or form. Positive or Negative. He seemed like such a "meh... whatever" kind of coach. I think his hockey brain was sound, I think there were other issues with him that make him less than idea and I wouldn't want him... but I just can't imagine having strong enough emotions in any direction to actually have such a visceral reaction as this. I don't think he's the guy. Period. But He's kind of like coaching prozac... bringing him in destroys my desire to give a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I don't think we've gotten the right answer yet. I mean, which Stevens are we talking about? Dick Sargent or Dick York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Dick Sargent or Dick York? Doesen't this post belong in the Flames thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I don't think we've gotten the right answer yet. I mean, which Stevens are we talking about? Dick Sargent or Dick York? my official stance is that someone else should give him a try again some day.Not us. Ship has sailed. He's very valued in LA. I'd stick with that a little longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Can't believe this has already got two pages..................we have too much time on our hands!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 We already lived through Stevens "Weekend At Bernie's" act once. I don't want to live through the sequel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 We already lived through Stevens "Weekend At Bernie's" act once. I don't want to live through the sequel!Now I'm picturing Stevens on a beach chair with shades on behind the bench, LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 ...Well that would be one way to tell Homer what you think of him.I didnt think he needed to have been firedand still don't think he would have been had Lavvy not become available.No Richards, no Carter... But im sure someone would hate him for something else.Anyway..."That said, former Flyers coach John Stevens would be an intriguing hire. The Flyers need better defensive structure, and that's an area that is Stevens' specialty."Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20150428_Why_John_Stevens__return_might_fit_Flyers_just_right.html#b4eUaGQ1yhpSsQPS.99 I really don't want Stevens. IMO, we might as well have kept Berube. Neither is an NHL head coach. I didn't like him from day one and saw nothing during his tenure to change that opinion. Others have said that maybe he's learned something along the way since his time here. That's possible. I don't personally want that risk. I am not sure what he would have learned. Better system? Yeah, maybe. Simply maturing? Yeah. But I don't think he's a head guy, constitutionally. A very capable lieutenant, maybe, but I just don't think he has whatever "it" is to be the commander. Plus, and probably not a great rational reason, I don't like the Back to the Future approach. Don't go back. I want new and shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think that's why Berube was fired. I think his team just looked utterly clueless even guys who should know better. case and point, anyone been watching the Lightning? Somehow Coburn knows where to skate to and has been pretty advantageous to them. They're already using him in almost all the situations the Flyers were but to better ends. I think Stevens came across as weak willed. Maybe because he seemed so young. I don't know. I loved the transition game they played under him and that kind of thing might work well with puck moving skilled skaters like Ghost and MDZ on the same team with G and Jake. But I'm not sure Stevens is the kind of guy who decide to leave it all out on the ice band of brothers style for. A coach can't make a good player bad. He can help or hurt the player depending on how/where he uses him, but the Flyers were not sitting on a great (or even consistently good) player who was just waiting to blossom and now is because every coach until now ruined him. There's zero personal responsibility in that approach. As for why he was fired, it was fired solely based on this season. There wasn't a long enough track record to fire him based on anything other than that. He's barely been in the league (as a coach). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I really don't want Stevens. IMO, we might as well have kept Berube. Neither is an NHL head coach. I didn't like him from day one and saw nothing during his tenure to change that opinion. Others have said that maybe he's learned something along the way since his time here. That's possible. I don't personally want that risk. I am not sure what he would have learned. Better system? Yeah, maybe. Simply maturing? Yeah. But I don't think he's a head guy, constitutionally. A very capable lieutenant, maybe, but I just don't think he has whatever "it" is to be the commander. Plus, and probably not a great rational reason, I don't like the Back to the Future approach. Don't go back. I want new and shiny. We went that route with Lavy (and Hitch to a point). Resulted in the same amount of Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 A coach can't make a good player bad. He can help or hurt the player depending on how/where he uses him, but the Flyers were not sitting on a great (or even consistently good) player who was just waiting to blossom and now is because every coach until now ruined him. There's zero personal responsibility in that approach. I beg to differ. I think a coach can make players much worse and I think we've seen it for decades with this team. And I'm not saying that Coburn was / is a great player waiting to blossom. I'm saying that Coburn is a good player who was put in an awful position to play to his skill level by what his terrible coach was asking him to do. And I feel confident saying that because just about everyone on that Flyers team last year looked just as out of position and confused as Coburn did the whole time. What some saw as "awful" I saw as confused and tentative because he was being told to do things and play in positions that were not only contrary to hockey sense, or history, but also just weren't working. Very consistently weren't working. Have you been watching the Tampa series? Coburn's like a different player out there. He's confident, he's breaking up plays, he's making smart plays with the puck, he's making smart checks and keeping the puck in the offensive zone. He's still getting beat and scored on, that's not going to vanish, but his up side is higher for his team now and his down side is a bit less tragic. Now please let me be clear. I'm not lamenting his loss or the trade in general. I like Braden okay, and there were D men I'd much rather have seen gone because Coburn's contract wasn't a killer by any means. All I am saying is that if we use this one player as a case study, the Data can easily be used to support what I've been saying all year which is that Chief's confused "system" or lack thereof made these players look worse than they really were and made this team much much worse than it needed to be. As for why he was fired, it was fired solely based on this season. There wasn't a long enough track record to fire him based on anything other than that. He's barely been in the league (as a coach). Again, I couldn't agree with that less. I don't think Hextall is of the mind set to fire anyone based on a single season. especially a single season with a winning record in which Hextall KNEW (better than anyone else) how hand cuffed the team was by Homer's cap screw ups and contract catastrophes. Anyone with half a hockey brain (and yes I mean that as an insult Homer) could look at this team this year and know within 5 games that they were extremely poorly coached and that Chief was Peter Principled into a position he was simply ill suited to command. You can say that Hextall's worst fears about Chief were supported by this season, you could say that throwing Mason under the bus and starting him when (I can only assume) Hextall had hoped he wouldn't --even though Hextall technically had to put him back in the lineup for cap reasons-- probably put nails in his coffin, but Hextall hasn't been in Philly for 15 years. He's been watching a real team get their crap together and I have to hope he knows a thing or two about what to look for from his team and their coach and I think Hextall's known for a long long time that he was going to have to replace Chief as soon as possible and it just didn't make sense to do it before the end of the season. In fact I'll go out on a limb and say that as soon as Homer made the announcement that Chief was the coach, Hextall probably knew it was just one more of Homer's messes he was going to have to clean up when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 We went that route with Lavy (and Hitch to a point). Resulted in the same amount of Cups.No cups. But both much more successful than Stevens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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