RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 With this deep draft we have coming up this is the best opportunity for the Flyers to improve their team in the quickest possible way. We already have the 7th pick and we can get a very good player like Crouse, Rantanen or Zacha, who project to be available when the Flyers pick. Crouse looks like he can step in and make the NHL right away, it would be awesome to have him on Girouxs line creating space and working the corners and crashing the net .Even if he doesn't start out as a big scorer, his physical play can really open up the ice for Giroux and Voracek. He is the guy I would like us to draft with that pick. As for the pick from Tampa , I would like to see us move up in the draft and trade that pick along with say ,Brayden Schenn to move up to the 5th or 6th pick so we can draft Provorov or Hanafin. If we could come out of this draft with say Crouse and Provorov, it would be a homerun. With the emergence of Coots in the championships it looks like he will be our second line center and the continued development of Cousins and Laughton, that makes Schenn totally expendable. To give up Schenn ,our third line center and a late first rounder to get a potential franchise dman like Provorov or Hanifin is worth it. Cousins or Laughton can move into the third line center spot. We have three centers in Schenn, Laughton and Cousins and only one open center spot, so what are we supposed to do? bury Laugton and Cousins in the minors? Moving Schenn makes perfect sense. If we see another player that we like that's available late in the first round, we still have 2 second rounders as well as Grossman, L Schenn and other dmen that we can package to move up and grab that player. Maybe two second rounders or L Schenn and a second rounder to get another first rounder in the 25-30 spot.We have a chance to have a huge draft for the Flyers, it is imperative to move up, there are great players available in the top 10 and we should try and move up, you aren't gonna get another draft like this in a long time . We can grab 2 players who can step in an help us immediately. Provorov can probably be our best dman as early as next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 As for the pick from Tampa , I would like to see us move up in the draft and trade that pick along with say ,Brayden Schenn to move up to the 5th or 6th pick so we can draft Provorov or Hanafin. No way does the 29th or 30th pick overall and B.Schenn get you into the top 10 *this* year....no way, no how. I would love to use that pick and B.Schenn to move up in this draft, but the pot would have to be WAY sweeter. The latest 1st round pick and a big question mark in Schenn....that is not gonna do it. You have to remember, all the other GM's are drooling at the talent in the top 10-15....who in their right mind would mortage their future on a guy who is only a average (at best) skater and 29th pick....I just do not see this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'd like to go Provorov at 7 and hope Konecney drops to 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 @jammer2 ...Ok,then lets try and sweeten the pot, think about possibly the Devils... they don't have much talent, Elias is going to retire . How about the Schenn brothers and Tampa's pick for NJs pick. Its not like we are offering two old guys. The Devils get 2 relatively young players that can help their team right away and they get a first rounder too. B Schenn is still considered a good young player with upside and L Schenn just might thrive playing in a system like the Devils use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 @RonJeremy Think about that for a second, you are a Devil's team DESPERATE for elite scoring, last year your leading scorer had a measely 43 pts....and you are going to turn down an ELITE skater and playmaker like Mitch Marner or Stome etc....for a PYLON of a D-man, a winger who has never lived up to the hype and the last pick in the 1st round.....that gets you fired. You don't turn a chance to bring in an elite offensive weapon for a couple of turds and the last pick in the 1st round...you just don't do it...plus, you are taking on a ton of cap space while you are turning down that elite talent....this would NEVER happen. NJ would want Morin or Sanheim back for making that switch of picks....probably more, so the Schenn brothers...not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Or maybe we get lucky and Provorov is still there at 7, and we pick him, then we trade up to 8-10 , which should be easier and grab Crouse. I'm just hoping we can get a power left wing and starting defenseman in this draft. I will snap if we draft another damn center. We need some size up front to battle the Rangers big guys like Hayes and Kreider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 @ Jammer,I know you are a knowledgable fan, but you never know how other teams value certain guys. Everyone thought Coburn would barely get us a second rounder and he got us a first and a player. Who would think we could get 2 second rounders for an old hobbled Timmonen. We as Flyers fans are very critical of our selected whipping boys and we allow our hatred against them to get the best of us. Some team may think the Schenn brothers and a first rounder in a deep draft is a good move for them. Never say never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I like the concept but agree that in this draft, to move up and NOT include our #7, the Flyers are trading their top prospects. Unless Hextall has one player pegged, don't see it happening besides our #7 plus . B Schenn looked very good at RW, a position he never played but is quoted as really feeling comfortable in. I want to see more before moving him. Jake, Simmer and a solid Schenn would be nice a nice set of right wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 @RonJeremy I dunno, I guess anything can happen, but giving away your first for a solid d-man who will help your SC run...or giving away 2nd's to secure defensive depth for a long run....that is a LOT different than giving up a top 10 pick in what they are calling the best draft ever. If I'm trading out of THIS top ten, I want a legit 35-40 goal scorer or a top 10 prospect....not a lot of question marks that will add a lot of cap space to my team. I think you are undervaluing a top 10 pick in this draft and overvaluing both the Schenns. Just calling it like I see it bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Who would think Holmgren would give up two second rounders and 5 million for 6 years for Andrew Stankdonald. There has to be another moron GM out there that is clinging to his job and will make a panicky move. I still think B Schenn has value, he has put up decent numbers in spite of moving all around the lineup from line to line and center to wing. Berube didn't exactly get the most from his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 I guess we can speculate all we want, but we wont know until the draft. Maybe for a change the Flyers get lucky and Provorov falls to # 7 and we get him and Crouse falls out of the top 10 and then it can be easier for us to trade up and grab him too. I really hope the chips fall in our favor and Hexy makes this a great draft for the Flyers. We very rarely pick in the top 10 and I hope we can get an impact player who can step in next year. But I'm greedy I want Provorov and Crouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 @RonJeremy At this point, I'm really concerned about B.Schenn's skating or lacktherof. He's not brutal, but moving forward, he will be a top 6 forward, that is fine, but it will put the Flyers at a speed disadvantage in terms of match up. We need to move away from players who are not elite skaters....not justify more playing time for them. It's a speed league, and when you devote that type of ice time to someone who can't fly, you will be a distinct disadvantage match up wise....especially in the playoffs. I'm usually the one teaching patience with the kids, you know that....but the elite skaters have taken over this league...you either have it or you don't. I'd be willing to part ways with him, just for this specific reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You would probably half to trade our late 1st rounder, B.Schenn, our two 2nd rounders and maybe a prospect to maybe get into the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 @RonJeremy I dunno, I guess anything can happen, but giving away your first for a solid d-man who will help your SC run...or giving away 2nd's to secure defensive depth for a long run....that is a LOT different than giving up a top 10 pick in what they are calling the best draft ever. If I'm trading out of THIS top ten, I want a legit 35-40 goal scorer or a top 10 prospect....not a lot of question marks that will add a lot of cap space to my team. I think you are undervaluing a top 10 pick in this draft and overvaluing both the Schenns. Just calling it like I see it bro. i'm with you jammer, i think a gm would have to be insane to take any combo deal from us that would involve giving up their early first round pick. The league has changed a lot and it's these highly talented prospects that everyone is after. They come in cheap and can make for huge rewards. They know what they're getting from Schenns and they don't exactly come cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 @Bakanekimiwa A team with very few good young players could also look at it like they're getting a good young C, a decent young defenceman who both were drafted high AND a 1st. 3-1st round picks for 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 3-1st round picks for 1.Homer and Clarke aren't GMs any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 A team with very few good young players could also look at it like they're getting a good young C, a decent young defenceman who both were drafted high AND a 1st. 3-1st round picks for 1. You should be selling ice to the Eskimos Inuit with those kind of sales chops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You never know when Maloney or Shero are reading this forum. If either of them makes this trade...rad...Pods...don't forget to thank me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 You never know when Maloney or Shero are reading this forum. If either of them makes this trade...rad...Pods...don't forget to thank me. They can throw in the rights to Daigle. He was a first overall! And Falloon! A second overall! Package them with JVR - another second overall! Done and done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 @radoran See, now you're coming around. A 1st overall, 2 -2nd overalls, 2 -5th overalls and a 29-30th? Who in their right mind could turn down that coup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 @radoran See, now you're coming around. A 1st overall, 2 -2nd overalls, 2 -5th overalls and a 29-30th? Who in their right mind could turn down that coup? Overalls? You mean they're going with a new third jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 @radoran Those are called Cooperalls....I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 They can throw in the rights to Daigle. He was a first overall! And Falloon! A second overall! Package them with JVR - another second overall! Done and done! Don't forget the rights to the 4th overall to Pavel Brendl....it will put the deal over the top!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sekkes85 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think you guys really undervalue B Schenn. He is only 23 (24 in August)and is contributing. Maybe he was over hyped in all of our minds and that is why he is being valued so low on this forum. I don't see the benefit in trading a player who should begin to hit his prime in 2-3 years AND a first to move up. If he is packaged with a bad contract sure go ahead. Otherwise hold on, stay put, unload whatever dmen we have on the roster for whatever pick you can get.How many times have we traded an underperforming young player before they reach their potential only to regret it a few years later? That trend needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 @sekkes85 I'm not in the "get rid of Schenn" camp....but if we can move into the top 10 in this draft (twice) I'm listening to offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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