murraycraven Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I hope I am wrong but I don't see Laughton being much more than a 3rd line player in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I hope I am wrong but I don't see Laughton being much more than a 3rd line player in the NHL.Nothing wrong with that. Don't forget, he should have never been in Philadelphia last year. He should have spent the year in Lehigh Valley to develop his offensive game. That one's on Hextall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 You could see a mid to late for both? Your gm traded a mid for ONE player whose 4 years older than Schenn, and managed less points than him (playing half the season with Crosby) Perron has one season of over 50 points in 8 seasons. I'm pretty confident Brayden Schenn can match those totals. Not to mention whatever Laughton becomes.Pretty confident will buy you nothing on draft day. He hasn't done it. And Laughton doesn't impress me at all. This isn't a trade deadline overpayment we're talking about. This is trying to pry away a first round pick and a deep draft year. I just don't see Schenn or Laughton as getting you that pick one for one. That's why I said both might do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 playing 30 games in the NHL as a 20 year old should not ruin his development Nope, but playing 30 games under a head coach who had zero clue how to use him and who also knew that Laughton's offensive game was a work in process should have been enough for Hextall to keep him away from the environment of the 2014 - 2015 season. Maybe it's just me, but Hextall said he wants his prospects to be ready to the point that they can step in and not look like they missed a beat. It was clear from the get go that while Laughton had some offensive skill, it wasn't refined and it needed work. Do I think Laughton's a bust? Absolutely not. I think this is a guy who take that number 2 center spot and contribute 70 points in a season down the road. But at the time he was called up, his game needed work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And Laughton doesn't impress me at all. Let's revisit this next Jan or Feb, cause Scott is gonna prove you wrong. The talent is unmistakeable. The work ethic is undeniable. I don't care about his stats last year, everyone adjusts at their own pace, the important part is Scott proved A)he can skate in this league and B)he is a better than average defensive forward. The points will come, I'm 100% sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Man I love it when Flyecanuck comes to my rescue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Let's revisit this next Jan or Feb, cause Scott is gonna prove you wrong. The talent is unmistakeable. The work ethic is undeniable. I don't care about his stats last year, everyone adjusts at their own pace, the important part is Scott proved A)he can skate in this league and B)he is a better than average defensive forward. The points will come, I'm 100% sure of it. I really, really like Laughton, but I don't think we'll see his offensive game take off until his 3rd or 4th year in the league. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I think he should have been left in the AHL last year to really find his offensive game and tear it up. He might not have done a Giroux there, but he definitely would have benefit from a full season just working on his offensive game there and being a leader on the club. I have no doubts that Laughton will be a two-way 55 to 60 point guy, but his offensive game is a definite work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I really, really like Laughton, but I don't think we'll see his offensive game take off until his 3rd or 4th year in the league. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I think he should have been left in the AHL last year to really find his offensive game and tear it up. He might not have done a Giroux there, but he definitely would have benefit from a full season just working on his offensive game there and being a leader on the club. I have no doubts that Laughton will be a two-way 55 to 60 point guy, but his offensive game is a definite work in progress. I agree with you on most points. His place should have been with the Phantoms, tolling on the top power play down there. Playing on the top pp is exactly what he needs, the extra space and time is essential to building his confidence, it should reinforce what a lot of us (and Scott himself) already know, he can score in the pros....and the AHL is the perfect place to build the future beast we all soon become familiar with. The NHLexperience last year, I don't think it will be detrimental in the long run. It was ok to get his feet wet, let him find out a lot of the subtle things he needs to work out....it let him know the "real" speed of the NHL and what he needs to do to become the player we all know he can be. I can see him making the Flyers next year, and I don't expect a lot point wise, I'd expecting and would be happy with a 25-30 point rookie season, I think that is attainable. I see him somewhere around2015 - 28 pts2016 - 46 pts2017 - 63 pts2018 - 73 pts If he can pull off those point totals while being an imposing defensive force, I'd be more than happy. Flyers made a real nice pick here, it will pay off, as long as everyone is patient and does not expect to much to soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 70 points in a season down the road. But at the time he was called up, his game needed work Whhhhaaaaa? I really dont see Laughton as a 70 point player. Sorry, but he was a man amongst boys in Jr and had 27 in 39 games the AHL last year which is encouraging. I just dont see his skill-set as a 70 point guy in the NHL. Glad to be wrong here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Glad to be wrong... Now I know why you always seem like such a happy guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Now I know why you always seem like such a happy guy. I am always happy Rux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Whhhhaaaaa? I really dont see Laughton as a 70 point player. Sorry, but he was a man amongst boys in Jr and had 27 in 39 games the AHL last year which is encouraging. I just dont see his skill-set as a 70 point guy in the NHL. Glad to be wrong here!! How was Laughton a "man among boys" in junior? He just turned 21 a few weeks ago, and played in the A last year. He was 19 his final year in junior, playing against....19 year olds, and 20 year olds, and 18 year olds. Scoring 40 g in 54 games while playing one of the best defensive forward games in the league is not common for a 19 year old in junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Whhhhaaaaa? I really dont see Laughton as a 70 point player. Sorry, but he was a man amongst boys in Jr and had 27 in 39 games the AHL last year which is encouraging. I just dont see his skill-set as a 70 point guy in the NHL. Glad to be wrong here!!I look at it like this - Laughton has some skill, there's no doubt about that. But what he has in spades that's really going ot pay off is drive, determination, work ethic and speed. You have those four traits with a bit of skill and a lot of good things happen. I remember what one scout said about Laughton and it holds true - "Laughton is a guy you notice but don't. You'll see him on the ice and it looks like he's hustling, but you never see the scoring. However, at the end of the game, he's a guy who ends up with a goal or an assist or both. He just gets it." The other thing about Laughton that doesn't get discussed more often (which it should) is just how smart of a hockey player he is and how high of a hockey IQ he has. That's why I believe he'll put 70 in a season and will do it a few times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Let's revisit this next Jan or Feb, cause Scott is gonna prove you wrong. The talent is unmistakeable. The work ethic is undeniable. I don't care about his stats last year, everyone adjusts at their own pace, the important part is Scott proved A)he can skate in this league and B)he is a better than average defensive forward. The points will come, I'm 100% sure of it.If his brief display last season is a sign he'll need more than the upcoming season. I don't argue he has potential to be a good bottom six, but I don't see top six in his game YET. What I did see didn't impress me last season. I'm not condemning him to nobody status, but I also wouldn't trade the number four pick this year for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If his brief display last season is a sign he'll need more than the upcoming season. I don't argue he has potential to be a good bottom six, but I don't see top six in his game YET. What I did see didn't impress me last season. I'm not condemning him to nobody status, but I also wouldn't trade the number four pick this year for him.I think he can be a solid 20/50 guy as a third line center and there are worse things to have.I don't think I see a 70 point second line center, though.Although he does seem to have good hockey sense and a dedication to the game. Again, worse things to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I think he can be a solid 20/50 guy as a third line center and there are worse things to have.I don't think I see a 70 point second line center, though.Although he does seem to have good hockey sense and a dedication to the game. Again, worse things to have.Not knocking that potential, just not there yet, and honestly might take a couple seasons which is reasonable. I think expectations this draft class are high though and I can't see a #4 pick for him. Him and Schenn perhaps, but not alone or tied to VLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Not knocking that potential, just not there yet, and honestly might take a couple seasons which is reasonable. I think expectations this draft class are high though and I can't see a #4 pick for him. Him and Schenn perhaps, but not alone or tied to VLC.No, there's no chance they get a high pick for him.Dream... dream dream dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 I look at it like this - Laughton has some skill, there's no doubt about that. But what he has in spades that's really going ot pay off is drive, determination, work ethic and speed. You have those four traits with a bit of skill and a lot of good things happen. I remember what one scout said about Laughton and it holds true - "Laughton is a guy you notice but don't. You'll see him on the ice and it looks like he's hustling, but you never see the scoring. However, at the end of the game, he's a guy who ends up with a goal or an assist or both. He just gets it." The other thing about Laughton that doesn't get discussed more often (which it should) is just how smart of a hockey player he is and how high of a hockey IQ he has. That's why I believe he'll put 70 in a season and will do it a few times as well.I know this is gonna sound wrong but that mix that you mention is what keeps some people on the Rinaldo wagon. Not comparing the two h we really at all... I think Laughton is going to be a fine player. The A Flyers had him ranked higher than most on draft day. I just see him being a very good two way player that will most likely be a 3rd line player. Again, nothing wrong with that but I don't see him being a 2nd line center..I hope I am dead wrong but just calling it the way I see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I know this is gonna sound wrong but that mix that you mention is what keeps some people on the Rinaldo wagon.Not comparing the two h we really at all... I think Laughton is going to be a fine player. The A Flyers had him ranked higher than most on draft day. I just see him being a very good two way player that will most likely be a 3rd line player. Again, nothing wrong with that but I don't see him being a 2nd line center..I hope I am dead wrong but just calling it the way I see it... No, I don't think you're wrong at all. It's very possible that Laughton ends up the third line center because he's one of those guys who will do whatever his coaches ask him to do and play what ever role they want him to play. He's incredibly selfless when it comes to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think Laughton learned some things on his first callup that will be good for his career down the road. don't dipsy do against the grain at the blueline on the breakout...might work in the Oshawa but not here in the NHL son. Also, no need to make a guy answer for cleaning your clock fair and square and legally... he shows toughness but he doesn't help any team by sitting in the box for 10 minutes. His speed really stood out even in at the NHL level , i also thought after Niskanen kicked his ass he lost his confidence at the NHL level. I'm glad he went back to the A and think he will be a good pro, a guy every team needs....although I don't see "star player" I see "good player" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think he can be a solid 20/50 guy as a third line center and there are worse things to have.I don't think I see a 70 point second line center, though.Although he does seem to have good hockey sense and a dedication to the game. Again, worse things to have. There were 78 forwards in the entire NHL with 50 points or more this year. There's 90 top line players. 50 points is now a pretty good year. (take note Schenn haters..he put up 47 getting bounced all over the place). Something else that hasn't been mentioned is Laughtons shot. it's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 There were 78 forwards in the entire NHL with 50 points or more this year. There's 90 top line players. 50 points is now a pretty good year. (take note Schenn haters..he put up 47 getting bounced all over the place). Something else that hasn't been mentioned is Laughtons shot. it's pretty good.Michael Raffl was a "top line" player this year. May be next year. He scored 20 goals, but has yet to hit 35 points.I like Laughton - as always I prefer to be pleasantly surprised than horribly disappointed.I said I didn't see him scoring 70 points, not that he was a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I said I didn't see him scoring 70 points, not that he was a bum. I think FC was making the point that 50 points is pretty much what is expected of a second line player - 70 points would be a top second line guy. If your third liners are putting up 50 points, then you have some pretty good scoring depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Michael Raffl was a "top line" player this year. May be next year. He scored 20 goals, but has yet to hit 35 points.I like Laughton - as always I prefer to be pleasantly surprised than horribly disappointed.I said I didn't see him scoring 70 points, not that he was a bum. Basically what AJ said. If Laughton can put up 50 (and I think he eventually can) while playing as defensively responsible as he is known to do, I'll take it. Toews isn't winning any scoring titles...doesn't make him any less valuable than any other player in the league. And before anyone says it, no, I'm not saying Laughton is Toews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think FC was making the point that 50 points is pretty much what is expected of a second line player - 70 points would be a top second line guy. If your third liners are putting up 50 points, then you have some pretty good scoring depth. I'd say 20/50 is probably a top end season for Laughton, but he could easily be in the Andrew Cogliano mold. Probably his upside is between that and a Michal Handzus-type. Could he play second line center? Yeah, but a good team wants a better option there. If Laughton can put up 50 (and I think he eventually can) while playing as defensively responsible as he is known to do, I'll take it. Again, worse things to have. If the kid plays his way to better things, more power to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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