ScottM Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 We've had discussion along these lines before, but I don't think we've ever had a formal poll. I included the four guys that I suspect will get the lion's share of the votes, but if you pick someone else, feel free to leave a comment and tell us who it is. There's no intended significance to the order of listing. I simply put the names in alphabetical order. Who's your pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Jon Fing Sim ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 I just realized I forgot to include Jiri Dopita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 i voted for Wayne Gretzky simply based on all the achievements he accomplished during his career. Although Mario, had he played the same amout of games, could have been darn close to Waynes' totals. In 1487 games, Gretzky amassed 2857 points. In 915 games, Mario amassed 1723 points. Had Mario played the same amounnt of games, he would be projected out to 2800 points. Almost a statical dead heat in my eyes. Lets us not forget that both Mario and Wayne played in a different hockey era. So you really cannot compare Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr to either Gretzky or Mario. Numbers wise you simply cannot beat Gretky. However, prior to Gretzky, Gordie Howe is the undeniable champ in my eyes. So....pre-modern hockery era = Gordie Howepost-modern hockey era = Wayne Gretzky That's out I view it...with Mario a very close 2nd had he played the same number of games as Gretzky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I just realized I forgot to include Jiri Dopita. and Pavel Brendl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 More assists than the next guy had points. Has to be Gretzky. FWIW, I go Orr then Lemieux then Howe then Kimo Timonen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 well, when your nickname is the Great one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Any discussion of the best ever needs to include Nick Lidstrom. If you know anything about hockey you will have him on your list. This guy was so smart he would go months between crossovers. and maybe the best first pass in history. Gretzky - Orr - Lemieux - Howe - Lidstrom - The Rocket. you choose the order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 For me, it's a dead heat between Orr and Gretzky, Wayne gets a slight edge, but we were robbed of 5-6 years of Orr (maybe more, who knows?), which sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Any discussion of the best ever needs to include Nick Lidstrom. If you know anything about hockey you will have him on your list. This guy was so smart he would go months between crossovers. and maybe the best first pass in history. Gretzky - Orr - Lemieux - Howe - Lidstrom - The Rocket. you choose the order. For the record, the two guys you added are 5th and 6th in my book. My order for those is: Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Lemieux, Richard, Lidstrom. For me, it's a dead heat between Orr and Gretzky, Wayne gets a slight edge, but we were robbed of 5-6 years of Orr (maybe more, who knows?), which sucks. To me the brevity of Orr's career is one of the biggest what-if's in hockey history. No bad knees on him, and people wouldn't think Gretzky was such a foregone conclusion. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindsey Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 When I had absolutely no clue about hockey I knew who The Great One was....it's like Jordan in the NBA....Rice in the NFL....Gretzky is the GOAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabs1993 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This one at face value is a no brainer for me. It's Wayne every time. If Mario didn't have to stop playing because of his illness, could this be different? I'm very hesitant to say maybe. Regardless of the answer you give, I think the 80s were a much different time for hockey in which Gretz thrived. When the average save percentage for an NHL goalie is .900 and you've got the best one on your team, you're gunna win some cups. Never won outside of Edmonton, which is peculiar to me... What about most clutch player of all time? Justin Williams? Mark Messier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @ihabs1993 When you are talking clutch, you have to at least add Claude Lemieux into the conversation. He has a ton of OT and game winning goals, when the Devils needed a goal, he was usually right there. MOST GAME-WINNING GOALS IN PLAYOFFS: 24 - Wayne Gretzky, Edmonton, Los Angeles, St. Louis, NY Rangers 24 - Brett Hull, St. Louis, Dallas, Detroit 19 - Claude Lemieux, Montreal, New Jersey, Colorado, Phoenix, Dallas 18 - Maurice Richard, Montreal 18 - Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche 17 - Mike Bossy, NY Islanders 17 - Glenn Anderson, Edmonton, Toronto, NY Rangers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This one at face value is a no brainer for me. It's Wayne every time. If Mario didn't have to stop playing because of his illness, could this be different? I'm very hesitant to say maybe. Regardless of the answer you give, I think the 80s were a much different time for hockey in which Gretz thrived. When the average save percentage for an NHL goalie is .900 and you've got the best one on your team, you're gunna win some cups. Never won outside of Edmonton, which is peculiar to me... What about most clutch player of all time? Justin Williams? Mark Messier? Welcome back ihabs! Where have you been! Seriously, I often wonder that myself, the what could have been had Mario stayed healthy during his entire career. As you see from the post I posted above, he was on pace to have just as many points as Gretzky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 For me, it's a dead heat between Orr and Gretzky, Wayne gets a slight edge, but we were robbed of 5-6 years of Orr (maybe more, who knows?), which sucks. Orr is the Mickey Mantle of hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 How is Alexandre Daigle not on this list?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 How is Alexandre Daigle not on this list?! I thought we were friends until this moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabs1993 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Welcome back ihabs! Where have you been! Seriously, I often wonder that myself, the what could have been had Mario stayed healthy during his entire career. As you see from the post I posted above, he was on pace to have just as many points as Gretzky.With Mario, it'll always be the ifs that separate him from Gretzky. And I've been on the sim leagues dealing with trades and draft housekeepings lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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