SpikeDDS Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Congratulations to all three of these guys. Lidstrom and Federov were no-brain era, as was Pronger who was also elected. Nice to see Housley get in too. I was glad to see Peter Karmanos get the nod for builder as well. A very worthy class that also includes Angelo Ruggiero (also with Detroit ties) and Bill Hay. With 4 of the 7 having Detroit ties of some kind, a real tribute to Detroit hockey, both Red Wings and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Lidstrom was the no brainer of the class, great to see Federov, his teammate and member of the same draft class join him. I cannot wait to warch the induction on television.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 How Portland became unlikely birthplace of Sergei Fedorov's Hall of Fame NHL career http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/08/how_portland_became_unlikely_b.html? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 No surprise here, It would probably take one of the toughest batches of players for Lidstrom not to be inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 No surprise here, It would probably take one of the toughest batches of players for Lidstrom not to be inducted. I'll (respectfully) call your bluff, @JagerMeister. Can you conceive of just such a Hall of Fame class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'll (respectfully) call your bluff, @JagerMeister. Can you conceive of just such a Hall of Fame class? Do they all have to be considered eligible at the same timeframe? If that's the case, then I can't think of any at the moment, or perhaps that's because there is none to concieve of? Or can I just pull a bunch of big name players from different era's out of my ass? If that's the case, then Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux...Or none of the above case scenarios? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 @JagerMeister How 'bout this. You can pull the pool of players from any era, who have not yet been inducted. And just for fun, you have to stick with the HHOF criteria which restrict to an annual maximum of four male players. (I'm not trying to be confrontational about this, but I am genuinely interested to see your ideas, for the sake of conversation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliax Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think the next step with Fedorov is for his jersey number to be retired by the Wings. I know most people aren't fond of the idea, but he was instrumental in 3 Cup wins and won the Hart trophy while playing for them. One of the most versatile players I've ever watched in his prime, and a really exciting player. It's too bad he left on such a bad note, but I think he deserves the honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think the next step with Fedorov is for his jersey number to be retired by the Wings. I know most people aren't fond of the idea, but he was instrumental in 3 Cup wins and won the Hart trophy while playing for them. One of the most versatile players I've ever watched in his prime, and a really exciting player. It's too bad he left on such a bad note, but I think he deserves the honour.He was undeniably one of the greatest players to equip a red wings jersey. That being said, legacy is one of the major factors when considering to retire a jersey, and unfortunately, he left on negative terms. Which is why I dont believe Fedorov's jersey will be retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 @JagerMeister How 'bout this. You can pull the pool of players from any era, who have not yet been inducted. And just for fun, you have to stick with the HHOF criteria which restrict to an annual maximum of four male players. (I'm not trying to be confrontational about this, but I am genuinely interested to see your ideas, for the sake of conversation)That's thread worthy, perhaps you should start a topic on this idea. Then I might consider answering your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliax Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 He was undeniably one of the greatest players to equip a red wings jersey. That being said, legacy is one of the major factors when considering to retire a jersey, and unfortunately, he left on negative terms. Which is why I dont believe Fedorov's jersey will be retired. Which is kind of my point. I don't think his legacy was hurt bad enough by leaving that he shouldn't have his number retired. It'll probably be awhile, but I really wish Wings fans wouldn't be so hostile to a player just because they left. Feds did more for this team in the past 25 years than anyone, outside of Yzerman and Lidstrom. And if his number isn't retired, I think it'll probably be one of those "unofficial" retirements, where no one in the organization wears the number. So why not just make it official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 And if his number isn't retired, I think it'll probably be one of those "unofficial" retirements, where no one in the organization wears the number. So why not just make it official. I've had this discussion before outside of this thread. Having a number retired by a team is an absolutely incredible honor saved for the best of the best. Fedorov was an outstanding player, but did he rank among the very best in order to have 91 hanging in the rafters? That is the biggest question. However, there is a "second tier" of having the number taken out of circulation, as a show of great respect for the last player who wore it, such as Konstantinov's #16. We'd all agree that Konstantinov was a helluva player, but not up to the caliber of Howe, Lidstrom, or Yzerman. However, the organization values the player and the man well enough to establish a legacy for him by not allowing another player to wear that number. To officially retire a number based on the principal that it won't be worn again anyway is to cloud the eligibility requirements for that honor, and in so doing, begins to "devalue" the legacy of those who have gone before. I absolutely think Fedorov's #91 shouldn't be worn again, but I'm on the fence about hanging it up in the rafters. I also predict we'll be having this same discussion in 5 years regarding #13 and #40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's thread worthy, perhaps you should start a topic on this idea. Then I might consider answering your question Don't tempt me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliax Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I've had this discussion before outside of this thread. Having a number retired by a team is an absolutely incredible honor saved for the best of the best. Fedorov was an outstanding player, but did he rank among the very best in order to have 91 hanging in the rafters? That is the biggest question. However, there is a "second tier" of having the number taken out of circulation, as a show of great respect for the last player who wore it, such as Konstantinov's #16. We'd all agree that Konstantinov was a helluva player, but not up to the caliber of Howe, Lidstrom, or Yzerman. However, the organization values the player and the man well enough to establish a legacy for him by not allowing another player to wear that number. To officially retire a number based on the principal that it won't be worn again anyway is to cloud the eligibility requirements for that honor, and in so doing, begins to "devalue" the legacy of those who have gone before. I absolutely think Fedorov's #91 shouldn't be worn again, but I'm on the fence about hanging it up in the rafters. I also predict we'll be having this same discussion in 5 years regarding #13 and #40.That's hardly the crux of my argument. The legacy Fedorov left in Detroit is enough for him to have his number retired. I feel like his season in 93-94 was better than any single season either Yzerman or Lidstrom put up, and honestly he was robbed of the Conn Smythe in 97. If Konstantinov hadn't had the horrible accident, I feel he would have had a similar impact, but unfortunately that isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 @Haliax I don't think Federov left on *that* bad of terms. I forget the exact numbers, but the UFA contract he was offered at the time was "off the charts". I don't remember a lot of name calling in the press....and I don't blame Feds for cashing in his fame and taking the highest number....just like I don't blame the Wings for giving in to his demands....which were far above market value at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haliax Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 @Haliax I don't think Federov left on *that* bad of terms. I forget the exact numbers, but the UFA contract he was offered at the time was "off the charts". I don't remember a lot of name calling in the press....and I don't blame Feds for cashing in his fame and taking the highest number....just like I don't blame the Wings for giving in to his demands....which were far above market value at the time.My recollection is that he was offered the same deal by the Wings that he got with the Ducks, but chose to leave because he wanted to be "the man", where in Detroit he was always going to be behind Yzerman and Lidstrom. He also left to go to the team that just swept the Wings in the playoffs. There was lots of name calling and criticism at least from the fans, if not from the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 @Haliax HA....it's all coming back now, the equal offer from the Wings and his spurning of Detroit. I had forgot about all that stuff. If you really look at it, the move was motivated by ego, which seemed to be Feds weakness. Even the Anna Kornintheholeova crap was all ego, he was furious that Bure moved in on *his* Anna. There was nothing Feds could ever to do, on the ice or off the ice to top Stevie Y....he was the exact opposite of Feds, no ego, all team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 @Haliax HA....it's all coming back now, the equal offer from the Wings and his spurning of Detroit. I had forgot about all that stuff. If you really look at it, the move was motivated by ego, which seemed to be Feds weakness. Even the Anna Kornintheholeova crap was all ego, he was furious that Bure moved in on *his* Anna. There was nothing Feds could ever to do, on the ice or off the ice to top Stevie Y....he was the exact opposite of Feds, no ego, all team. Another reason why I am on the fence about retiring his number. It's not all about on-ice stats. Those retired numbers are there to represent the team both on and off the ice. There is nothing bad you can ever say about the gentlemen who wore any of the numbers hanging in the arenas of any team (while they were there). They were chosen by the organization because they embody the spirit, heart, and soul of that uniform. An argument can be made against Fedorov on that basis. I believe the decision to retire a number has to be 100% unanimous. Not even 99%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Which is kind of my point. I don't think his legacy was hurt bad enough by leaving that he shouldn't have his number retired. It'll probably be awhile, but I really wish Wings fans wouldn't be so hostile to a player just because they left. Feds did more for this team in the past 25 years than anyone, outside of Yzerman and Lidstrom. And if his number isn't retired, I think it'll probably be one of those "unofficial" retirements, where no one in the organization wears the number. So why not just make it official.I concur, this situation is comparable to Jagr and Pittsburgh to a much lesser extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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