Unleashed Fury Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Duncan Keith will have his meniscus on his knee repaired and is out for 4-6 weeks. How do you all think this this injury will hurt the team since he is definitely a key piece to the Chicago Blackhawks, especially their defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Duncan Keith will have his meniscus on his knee repaired and is out for 4-6 weeks. How do you all think this this injury will hurt the team since he is definitely a key piece to the Chicago Blackhawks, especially their defense? Personally I hope it means Ville Pokka gets a call-up and a chance to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 So Duncan Keith is actually human... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindsey Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wow. This is big. Chicago was already thin. Who will step up to halfway fill his skates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleashed Fury Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wow. This is big. Chicago was already thin. Who will step up to halfway fill his skates? Duncan is one of the best defensemen in the NHL only one I see as better is Karlsson in Ottawa. I see a lot more shot on goal for Crawford to handle in the future for the Blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Duncan is one of the best defensemen in the NHL only one I see as better is Karlsson in Ottawa. I see a lot more shot on goal for Crawford to handle in the future for the Blackhawks. meh. his consistent 40-60 points per season is among the best in the NHL, with karlsson the king of that heap, but neither is particularly great at playing actual defense. where karlsson is full-on terrible at it, keith is fine, but...that won't be the area the hawks miss him. transition to offense and the PP are where he's absence will really hurt. crawford doesn't have to worry so much as kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 ...neither is particularly great at playing actual defense...that won't be the area the hawks miss him...transition to offense I find it somewhat strange that you (you're not alone) don't consider transition to offense (i.e., puck movement) part of good defense. I mean, it's D-men who are usually the ones making that first pass after all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I find it somewhat strange that you (you're not alone) don't consider transition to offense (i.e., puck movement) part of good defense. I mean, it's D-men who are usually the ones making that first pass after all..... sure, but they have to get control of the puck, first. keith is not a shut-down dman. he isn't positionally terrible or anything, but that is not his primary contribution. once the hawks gain possession, keith is a big part of moving things the other way, so, yeah, i can see that maybe shots against go up some. still, i see the hawks' problems sans keith being in the maintaining offensive pressure side of the equation, rather than shots against. one leads to the other, i guess, butterfly effect and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I propose a change in hockey's terminology. It makes no sense (literally none) to call the two guys who line up between the "forwards" and the "goaltender", "defensemen". Defense is everyone's job, just as offense is. But they don't call "forwards", "offensemen" they call them forwards. So let's call the other two guys "backs". Three forwards, two backs, one goalie. Karlsson is most certainly not horrible defensively. He's better defensively than plenty of "shut-down" defensemen in the league (i.e., defensemen who provide little or no offense). Same with Keith. Both of those guys can play on my team any day, in any situation. No, Karlsson doesn't play the position the same way Brayden Coburn does. With his skill he would be stupid to do that and his coach would be stupid to try to force him to do it. And Karlsson (and "backs" like him) are not just 4th forwards, because offense from the "back" position is completely different than offense from the "forward" position. Karlsson and Keith are both great players who are pretty much great at everything- the fact that they have skill sets than benefit the team at the expense of sometimes not being "in position" is a problem that pretty much every team would love to have. Believe it or not, people used to direct the same criticism at Bobby Orr. But you win few Norris Trophies and people tend to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 @JackStraw You're always making up new words and such. It's one of the reasons I like you. That and your superior Amway customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 lol at a Hawks fans comment I just read: "May god, jesus and any other deity be with Corey and Scotty during this terrible time" Yeah, their blueline looks grim while Keith is out. Worst possible guy to lose really. They already have several meh dmen on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 @Podein25 - don't you think it makes sense? "Back" instead of "defenseman"? I would think you of all people would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 don't you think it makes sense? "Back" instead of "defenseman"? I would think you of all people would understand. Sure, I'm fine with it. I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Keith cannot be replaced, period. Seabrook is one of the most overrated players in the game and the rest of the back end is pedestrian at best. Daley will take point on the power play but they are in trouble. There only hope is to play end to end try to outscore the opponents 6-4 or something every night. Crawford wins because of his team, he cannot carry the club, they are a .500 club without Keith. Oof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Karlsson and Keith are both great players who are pretty much great at everything- the fact that they have skill sets than benefit the team at the expense of sometimes not being "in position" is a problem that pretty much every team would love to have. Believe it or not, people used to direct the same criticism at Bobby Orr. sure. paul coffey, too. and thomas kaberle, brian mccabe, sheldon souray, joni pitkanen, keith yandle, mark streit, sergi gonchar, and mike green. kris letang may as well get a mention, too, while we're at it. the current zeitgeist says the aboves' defensive shortcomings are a fair trade for their offensive contributions. 5 years' ago did not, and likely 5 years from now will not, either, but right now, defensemen who focus on offense, even to the particular detriment of defensive coverage, are seen as a positive thing on the balance. that's great, but we can all remember when brian mccabe and sheldon souray were laughing stocks and decidedly undesirable by competitive teams, despite putting up 60+ point seasons. the league's (and the fans') meta changes. a 24 yearold brian mccabe would be lauded as among the best defensemen in the league today. 10 years ago that wasn't the case, and it won't be the case at some point in the next few years. it's a cycle. for myself, i've never thought it a good trade off. i've always thought the best "defensemen" were those who did the best job stopping an opposing offense, the guys you wanted on the ice with 45 seconds left, shorthanded and up by 1 goal. that's just me, though. mileage may vary and all of that. now, keith is not in that catagory (karlsson totally is, though). he is fine defensively. good, even. my initial point was that the hawks are not suddenly going to have problems covering opposition forwards or shutting down passing lanes deep in the defensive zone. they are going to have a harder time transitioning and a harder time maintaining offensive pressure, but pure "defense" is not the thing duncan keith is renowned for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleashed Fury Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 lol at a Hawks fans comment I just read: "May god, jesus and any other deity be with Corey and Scotty during this terrible time" Yeah, their blueline looks grim while Keith is out. Worst possible guy to lose really. They already have several meh dmen on the rosterI guess with Duncan Keith out Seabrook is their best D-Man right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I guess with Duncan Keith out Seabrook is their best D-Man right now. I would say Hjalmarsson is their best now. I think Seabrook is overrated. Hjalmarsson is probably underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I would say Hjalmarsson is their best now. I think Seabrook is overrated. Hjalmarsson is probably underrated.Yeah, Hammer is almost as good as Vlasic. That's why Wilson offer sheeted him back then lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleashed Fury Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 I would say Hjalmarsson is their best now. I think Seabrook is overrated. Hjalmarsson is probably underrated.It is definitely one of those two which either doesn't even come close to comparing to Duncan Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Personally I hope it means Ville Pokka gets a call-up and a chance to play. I'm thinking Pokka is the next call up, I know he is held in high regard by the Hawks, what can you tell me about him? Does he has offensive upside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagemutantninjahertl Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Aren't they glad they didn't trade Seabrook right now?? I think the 'Hawks will be fine as far as their record is concerned. I think the team has the talent to overcome not having Keith for a month or two. They will, however, have to play better team defense or score a lot. The talent is there to keep winning, but it won't always look pretty. Maybe a few 6-5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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