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I think it's time to explore dealing Giroux, so why not to Nashville.

 

This is NOT a Giroux-sucks thread, rather it is a thread looking at a way to rebuild a bit quicker. It is obvious that the Flyers are seriously void in talent, and not just on the back end. In fact, with the exception of G and V, who we all agree are underperforming right now, who is a dynamic playmaker/scorer up front for us? Right...no one.

 

I certainly cede that Giroux is one of the few dynamic players we have but his value will never be higher. He is morphing into a PP specialist right in front of our eyes....And, as others have pointed out, G will be in his early 30's by the time the Flyers will be a legitimate Cup contender (he will be 28 in January).

 
Why not really commit to a rebuild? Why not be really bad for two years instead of being maddeningly mediocre for 5? 
 
I think we could acquire top flight young prospects/draft picks, while also improving our draft position if we unload G - which would really aid in our rebuild.
 
As I posted years ago (and got slammed for it): Thank you Gomer for ushering in a very dark era.

 

 

 

 

 

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Everything starts with Seth Jones as the center piece. As for the other pieces, Kevin Fiala would be a must and obviously salary would have to come back as well. So, you'd be looking at the following:

 

To Nashville: Claude Giroux

To Philadelphia: Seth Jones, Kevin Fiala, Paul Gaustad, Nashville's first round picks in 2016, 2017

 

That's the kind of trade it would take to pry Giroux out. As well, I'm not too sure how many Nashville fans would be receptive to this sort of deal.

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@caluso  You make some good points on the age of Giroux in respect to being on the downswing when the Flyers young defensive core is realistically going to be contributing. Another valid point is G basically turning into a pp specialist.....he is not coming close to imposing his will on opponents when it is 5-5 hockey. These are fine points and should be taken seriously. If you remember, G started really slow last year as well. As it stands right now, Claude's game can be easily defended in the playoffs, the other team just needs to stay out of the box and he can be nullified. Same goes for Vorachek.

 

 After the whole Weber fiasco, any trade with Nashville would have to be at least sliding in the Preds favour after the Flyers screwed their cap space for the next decade...lol. I think BC is right, Jones and Fiala are the kind of young talent you would want in return. Thing is, if the Flyers were to trade G, they should get forwards back, preferably young ones. Jones is a great talent, but the Flyers have a fine stable of d-men coming in short order, that is why I don't think the Preds are the ideal trade partner for a G trade. If you trade G and or V, the Flyers look exactly like a expansion team, I don't know if Philly can put up with that.

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I think BC is right, Jones and Fiala are the kind of young talent you would want in return.

 

Shea Theodore and Nick Ritchie

 

or 

 

Nikolaj Ehlers and Josh Morrissey

 

HHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

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Everything starts with Seth Jones as the center piece. As for the other pieces, Kevin Fiala would be a must and obviously salary would have to come back as well. So, you'd be looking at the following:

 

To Nashville: Claude Giroux

To Philadelphia: Seth Jones, Kevin Fiala, Paul Gaustad, Nashville's first round picks in 2016, 2017

 

That's the kind of trade it would take to pry Giroux out. As well, I'm not too sure how many Nashville fans would be receptive to this sort of deal.

Absurd. Nashville gets raked over the coals and everyone knows Giroux is not worth that much.

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I think it's time to explore dealing Giroux, so why not to Nashville.

 

This is NOT a Giroux-sucks thread, rather it is a thread looking at a way to rebuild a bit quicker. It is obvious that the Flyers are seriously void in talent, and not just on the back end. In fact, with the exception of G and V, who we all agree are underperforming right now, who is a dynamic playmaker/scorer up front for us? Right...no one.

 

I certainly cede that Giroux is one of the few dynamic players we have but his value will never be higher. He is morphing into a PP specialist right in front of our eyes....And, as others have pointed out, G will be in his early 30's by the time the Flyers will be a legitimate Cup contender (he will be 28 in January).

 
Why not really commit to a rebuild? Why not be really bad for two years instead of being maddeningly mediocre for 5? 
 
I think we could acquire top flight young prospects/draft picks, while also improving our draft position if we unload G - which would really aid in our rebuild.
 
As I posted years ago (and got slammed for it): Thank you Gomer for ushering in a very dark era.

 

 

i agree with you 100 percent, that's the same reason why moving carter and richards were moved because of their value and it worked out. the problem is what team is willing to take giroux's contract? i could see calgary, since they wanted stamkos and signing him to a long term deal and nashville was already mentioned as a possiblity, buffalo is another possible team, im guessing it has to be teams that are in rebuilding mode.

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i agree with you 100 percent, that's the same reason why moving carter and richards were moved because of their value and it worked out. the problem is what team is willing to take giroux's contract? i could see calgary, since they wanted stamkos and signing him to a long term deal and nashville was already mentioned as a possiblity, buffalo is another possible team, im guessing it has to be teams that are in rebuilding mode.

It did?

Carter is still a top player crucial to 2 cup wins, and Richards was a good player for the kings first cup win.

 

You moved them for space to sign Bryzgalov mostly. How in gods name did that work out?

 

How is Buffalo a possibility?

The signed ROR to be top line C and have Eichel playing wing, but C capable

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And a few years later with those players, people are calling for Hextall to blow it up again

 

schenn is probably going to be traded, he's going to want saad money and hextall is not going afford him, simmonds could be another player on the block because of the cap and his value. the cap is hurting us and some players are going to have to be moved, chicago is doing the same thing, they have to alot of their good players because of the cap, it's probably going to happen with the flyers.

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@caluso

 

I don't think the old man would ever allow a full on rebuild.

 

I also don't think of Nashville as being the ideal landing spot for Giroux.  @jammer2 noted some of those issues, the offer sheet to Weber and the fact that David Poile is still there I think makes any deal with them more difficult at best.

 

Maybe Florida ? there are young, big skilled guys on that team Barkov, or Bjustad could be the center piece coming back.

 

I don't know if i like what you're saying, but i can see where it fits better as far as having the younger group of players coming up together.

 

It appears now that the true prime of Giroux will be sacrificed into being  the lynch pin for a "bubble team at best".  

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And a few years later with those players, people are calling for Hextall to blow it up again

 

 

right. So the moral of the story imho anyway is: Stick with who you got and build around them. Mason/Neuvrith is a good-quality tandem, no reason to think they can't win 4 PO rounds eventually - when the team is ready. So that's goaltending and 2 top-line players. Add Simmonds and BSchenn and Read and you've got secondary scoring. What's so terrible?

 

Yes Giroux's point totals have gone down consistently the last 4 years but for me that's a reflection of the team more than Giroux's game. Voracek and Giroux are both highly creative offensive forces and I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on 9 games in a rebuilding (retooling, whatever) year.

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yeah the cap is hurting us, but you don't trade young guys with upside, like you mentioned and keep the old guys who are the problem.  Simmonds and Schenn aren't the cap problem.  they are different problems.

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right. So the moral of the story imho anyway is: Stick with who you got and build around them. Mason/Neuvrith is a good-quality tandem, no reason to think they can't win 4 PO rounds eventually - when the team is ready. So that's goaltending and 2 top-line players. Add Simmonds and BSchenn and Read and you've got secondary scoring. What's so terrible?

Yes Giroux's point totals have gone down consistently the last 4 years but for me that's a reflection of the team more than Giroux's game. Voracek and Giroux are both highly creative offensive forces and I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on 9 games in a rebuilding (retooling, whatever) year.

Great post, but that last paragraph is spot on.

I would move anyone for the right package, but I really do believe that with a first line winger, we're not even discussing this.

I also think, though, that Giroux needs to improve upon whatever his regimen is during the off-season so he's better prepared out of the gate.

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I also think, though, that Giroux needs to improve upon whatever his regimen is during the off-season so he's better prepared out of the gate.

 

Yes it is a little disheartening to see your best player start slow time and time again...you'd hope the captain was the most gung-ho, most in-shape, etc. Heck maybe he is - and it's not like he's got no points. But his line was broken up for a good reason, i.e. not getting it done.

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I don't think G is the problem, at all, 

 

Voracek is pressing, he's had a pile of chances set up by Giroux and hasn't finished them.  

I think the problem is too many set up guys and not enough finishers , Giroux has a great shot, but he doesn't let it go like he should, he's working on it, but it's hard to undo 23 years of playing a certain way.  Jake, is essentially the same guy but bigger and with not as good of a shot.  There needs to be a stone cold killer on that line, a guy that shoots first and **** all you all... there needs to be a guy who finishes. I think Gagner has that mentality but i don't like him on that line because it kills our depth scoring (hahahahaha) I think Brayden Schenn could be that guy but if he doesn't succeed in his first shift he loses his chance.  

 

why not try cousins or straka or lindblom ? 

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I don't think G is the problem, at all,

Voracek is pressing, he's had a pile of chances set up by Giroux and hasn't finished them.

I think the problem is too many set up guys and not enough finishers , Giroux has a great shot, but he doesn't let it go like he should, he's working on it, but it's hard to undo 23 years of playing a certain way. Jake, is essentially the same guy but bigger and with not as good of a shot. There needs to be a stone cold killer on that line, a guy that shoots first and **** all you all... there needs to be a guy who finishes. I think Gagner has that mentality but i don't like him on that line because it kills our depth scoring (hahahahaha) I think Brayden Schenn could be that guy but if he doesn't succeed in his first shift he loses his chance.

why not try cousins or straka or lindblom ?

I really do think this is the issue. And I would absolutely try Gagner there.
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BSchenn should be in that top-line spot. He's got strength, intelligence and likes to bang, dig for pucks -above all he likes to shoot and drive the net. With the offense Hakstol has going it seems to me "dirty" goals will happen a lot more than sniper-type, open-look goals (the kind Gagner excels at).

 

BSchenn leads the forwards in goals, he's proving he's willing to work hard consistently...Isn't BSchenn a top-line winger in-the-making? Give him a few months (at least) at working the top line and let him develop into the power forward he can be.

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BSchenn should be in that top-line spot. He's got strength, intelligence and likes to bang, dig for pucks -above all he likes to shoot and drive the net. With the offense Hakstol has going it seems to me "dirty" goals will happen a lot more than sniper-type, open-look goals (the kind Gagner excels at).

BSchenn leads the forwards in goals, he's proving he's willing to work hard consistently...Isn't BSchenn a top-line winger in-the-making? Give him a few months (at least) at working the top line and let him develop into the power forward he can be.

How about switch Voracek with Schenn?

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And a few years later with those players, people are calling for Hextall to blow it up again

 

Voracek alone has outscored Carter..throw Couturier in and Philly did pretty good in that trade...actually they raped Columbus...who then got burned again when they dealt Carter. Today, as it stands, I'd be happy with either Simmonds or Schenn for Richards.

 

LA got what they wanted. Philly got what they wanted. Win-win. Columbus, on the other hand....

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How about switch Voracek with Schenn?

 

I was thinking BSchen-Giroux-Voracek. Jake did all his damage on the right side, Giroux is a creative, fast center and Schenn can bang and dig with the best of them. I know he'd rather be in the middle but skating with Giroux/Voracek ought to be considered a prize assignment (provided Jake gets it going - and I have no doubt he will).

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