King Knut Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Assuming the Columbus game was a fluke (big assumption) it ought to be interesting to see how they do with three "pros" back in the lineup. It would be an excellent time for the real A Mac to decide to show up. White should be helpful... Umber? I guess that's the wild card.
J0e Th0rnton Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Assuming the Columbus game was a fluke (big assumption) it ought to be interesting to see how they do with three "pros" back in the lineup. It would be an excellent time for the real A Mac to decide to show up. White should be helpful... Umber? I guess that's the wild card.I am pretty sure you have seen the real A Mac quite a bit. What you want is an improved A Mac
King Knut Posted December 7, 2015 Author Posted December 7, 2015 I am pretty sure you have seen the real A Mac quite a bit. What you want is an improved A Mac I want the A Mac we had two springs ago. I'm not looking for any miracles. I just want the guy we had when he first rolled into town. I liked that guy. He did a good job. Not a great job. Not a job that merits the contract he got by any stretch, but he contributed and helped the team a lot. I remember doing comparisons at the time, and the team's record with Mac in the lineup that spring was a fair amount better than it was without him. Not quite as stark as the team's record with and without Cooter this year, but notable. I just want that Mac back.
mojo1917 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I am pretty sure you have seen the real A Mac quite a bit. What you want is an improved A Mac the guy i saw play huge minutes vs the pens in the playoffs a couple a three years ago would be the guy we're hoping for. he was competitive, smart always doing good things, and then he broke his arm and has not been nearly as good since.hsi contract is just abysmal unless AMac from 2013 shows up again, if that guy comes back from the lehigh valley he is welcome. otherwise, i think we'd all really think hard about having 8 years of 1.5 million dollars of dead cap space.
MaineFlyFan Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 the guy i saw play huge minutes vs the pens in the playoffs a couple a three years ago would be the guy we're hoping for. he was competitive, smart always doing good things, and then he broke his arm and has not been nearly as good since.hsi contract is just abysmal unless AMac from 2013 shows up again, if that guy comes back from the lehigh valley he is welcome. otherwise, i think we'd all really think hard about having 8 years of 1.5 million dollars of dead cap space.WOW! 8 years...I forget how very ludicrous some of those contracts were.....My god. 8 years to Andrew MacDonald...what the hell were they thinking!
mojo1917 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 WOW! 8 years...I forget how very ludicrous some of those contracts were.....My god. 8 years to Andrew MacDonald...what the hell were they thinking!to buy a player out you pay a fraction of the salary vs the cap over a longer period of time...were it to happen now we're looking at a kanye song.MacDud's deal was for 5 years originally. i just threw up in my mouth a little typing that.
MaineFlyFan Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Oh yeah that's right....so 5 years. Well that brings the deal from ludicrous down to Ridiculous.
radoran Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Not quite as stark as the team's record with and without Cooter this year, but notable. The Flyers were 10-7-2 in MacDonald's 19 regular season games with the Flyers that season. Prior to that they were 32-23-8. They got 22 of a possible 38 points with MacDonald (.578) They got 72 of a possible 126 without him (.571) Not sure that .007 of improvement is a stark improvement or that notable of an achievement. I'd be happier if he was the Andrew MacDonald before the trade. When he played for the Islanders. And he was still there.
OccamsRazor Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 the guy i saw play huge minutes vs the pens in the playoffs a couple a three years ago would be the guy we're hoping for. he was competitive, smart always doing good things, and then he broke his arm and has not been nearly as good since.hsi contract is just abysmal unless AMac from 2013 shows up again, if that guy comes back from the lehigh valley he is welcome. otherwise, i think we'd all really think hard about having 8 years of 1.5 million dollars of dead cap space. Trust me if he comes back and is the same ol suck ass he was before he left he will be waived again. And he may still be waived anyways. Hexy may not want to expose Manning to waivers....the only reason i think he already has been waived earlier this season....
Lunatic Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 This is a different take on recalling MacDonald, and only slightly has to do with his actual value to the team as a recallee. Streit is out for another 3-4weeks. Streit needs to return, either to increase his trade value, or to see if he can improve a mediocre defense. He has little value to the Flyers on LTR. His placement on LTR freed up the money to bring Ghost up. Ghost had been really good, not only in terms of on-ice production but also the excitement factor that he brings to an otherwise boring team. It is safe to say that he has earned a spot on the Flyers. That presents as a problem to the Flyers, because they can't bring Streit back from LTR and keep Ghost on the roster, without waiving a player or making a trade in the time before reactivating Streit. Apparently MacDonald's play on the Phantoms has been at least ok. By bringing him up, it gives management a chance to sort out their situation. If MacDonald bombs send him back to the minors. If he plays competently keep him up and trade/waive someone else. And, hope against hope, he plays really well, then trade him and unload his terrible contract. Shortly the Flyers will be forced to make some changes. MacDonald's recall is good management. It gives management time to sort-out their position prior to making any significant changes.
RJ8812 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Would much rather see Alt, even if it's only for one game
AbelMorpheus Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I'd be happier if he was the Andrew MacDonald before the trade. When he played for the Islanders. And he was still there. love it!
King Knut Posted December 7, 2015 Author Posted December 7, 2015 This is a different take on recalling MacDonald, and only slightly has to do with his actual value to the team as a recallee. Streit is out for another 3-4weeks. Streit needs to return, either to increase his trade value, or to see if he can improve a mediocre defense. He has little value to the Flyers on LTR. His placement on LTR freed up the money to bring Ghost up. Ghost had been really good, not only in terms of on-ice production but also the excitement factor that he brings to an otherwise boring team. It is safe to say that he has earned a spot on the Flyers. That presents as a problem to the Flyers, because they can't bring Streit back from LTR and keep Ghost on the roster, without waiving a player or making a trade in the time before reactivating Streit. Apparently MacDonald's play on the Phantoms has been at least ok. By bringing him up, it gives management a chance to sort out their situation. If MacDonald bombs send him back to the minors. If he plays competently keep him up and trade/waive someone else. And, hope against hope, he plays really well, then trade him and unload his terrible contract. Shortly the Flyers will be forced to make some changes. MacDonald's recall is good management. It gives management time to sort-out their position prior to making any significant changes.When Streit comes back, they need to find a million for ghost. Keeping Mac up too, they'd need to find 2 million. Also who doesn't play and where do they go? Schultz & Am Ning are the obvious choices, but what to do with them? And sending them down (if Schultz clears) won't help with the 2 million I. Cap space they'd need. Mac wasn't in the minors because he was just that bad. He's been the best d man on the phantoms at least offensively. He was sent down because sending him down bought hextall the most cap relief comparitive to his overall value to the team (even though 3/4 or more of his salary still counts against the cap). Essentially Laughton was more better than Vinny than Mac was better than Manning. (So we can blame Vinny in all of this too now--just kidding. It's all homer's fault).
MaineFlyFan Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I realy liked this blog by Meltzer on Ghost.....good read and I think he's spot on. Per Meltzers Blog: 3) Amid a very disappointing night for the Flyers against Columbus, Shayne Gostisbehere had another strong game. As impressive as his explosive shot is, Gostisbehere's skating ability -- both his acceleration and his ability to change direction -- is what stands out most of all.Something else that jumps out is his tenacious competitive drive. The undersized defenseman makes his share of mistakes but recovers more often than not. Why? It's because he never gives up on the play and has a quick stick as well as fast feet. As a result, Gostisbehere may get beaten initially but he'll make the defensive play on a second effort. Overall, his initial reads are improving steadily, so he needs fewer desperation recoveries.Even so, there will no doubt there will be nights ahead where Gostisbehere gets beaten a few times and pucks end up in the Flyers' net. The learning curve is still there to be navigated and every young defenseman has bumps in the road. No one is immune. However, more and more it seems that Gostisbehere is well-equipped to bounce back quickly when there is some adversity.I frequently get asked if the Flyers are going to be forced to send Gostisbehere back to the Phantoms for salary cap reasons when Mark Streit returns to the lineup. It's not worth stressing over too much. These things have a way of working out, because a lot can (and probably will) happen between now and the time Streit is ready to be activated from long-term injured reserve.For one thing, injuries elsewhere in the lineup are an unfortunate fact of life in hockey. The Flyers will update Luke Schenn's status at some point on Sunday, but the optics of the play where he was hurt -- the awkward way his foot got caught under him, the way it twisted and the fact that he couldn't hobble off under his own power and eventually needed assistance just to get off the ice -- looked like he might miss significant time.For another, the Flyers have a variety of non trade-dependent options at their disposal to keep Gostisbehere aboard even when Streit eventually is cleared to return to the lineup. For instance, with Laughton's ice time severely reduced, he is a candidate to be assigned for awhile to the AHL and would not require waivers to do so since he's still on the his entry-level contract. The Flyers could also waive a player who lacks a no-movement clause in his contract -- Vincent Lecavalier is immune due to an NMC but R.J. Umberger is a player who does not have a NMC -- and get up to $950,000 of cap relief, which would be enough to keep Gostisbehere on the NHL active roster if the team is unable to trade someone.One way or another, it will work itself out. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, because it's a no-brainer that Gostisbehere will be kept with the big club.
AJgoal Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Or, they could place Gagner on LTIR, which it appears they have.
Lunatic Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 When Streit comes back, they need to find a million for ghost. Keeping Mac up too, they'd need to find 2 million.Also who doesn't play and where do they go? Schultz & Am Ning are the obvious choices, but what to do with them? And sending them down (if Schultz clears) won't help with the 2 million I. Cap space they'd need.Mac wasn't in the minors because he was just that bad. He's been the best d man on the phantoms at least offensively. He was sent down because sending him down bought hextall the most cap relief comparitive to his overall value to the team (even though 3/4 or more of his salary still counts against the cap). Essentially Laughton was more better than Vinny than Mac was better than Manning. (So we can blame Vinny in all of this too now--just kidding. It's all homer's fault).KK, Good points. I guess that my post was not as specific as I intended. Imagine that! My point was that they have to make changes to the current roster, for both Ghost and Streit to be active. By bringing Mac up it gives them a chance to better sort out the pieces as to who to keep, trade or waive while there is a brief period of cap room for him. I suspect that this is the forerunner to significant roster changes allowing both Ghost and Streit to be active.
AJgoal Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Also, I don't know that it's a no-brainer that Ghost sticks once Streit returns. Ghost, Streit, MDZ, and Medvedev, all play the offensive/puck mover on defense, and all are somewhat lacking defensively. Unless the plan is to sit Medvedev again, I think Hextall would be more than comfortable sending Ghost back down to work on his defensive game until he works out a trade for Streit or Medvedev. And MacDonald will only be up for one game - I imagine he'll get sent back as soon as Gudas' suspension is over - though I guess he might stick as the 7th for the road trip. That's the most likely reason he came up over Alt - MacDonald can sit in the pressbox without worrying about his development.
OccamsRazor Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Or, they could place Gagner on LTIR, which it appears they have. He's on short term IR not LTIR there is a difference.
AJgoal Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 General Fanager moved him to LTIR today. Not sure what their source is.
RJ8812 Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 there's no cap relief with IR, just a roster spot
OccamsRazor Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 General Fanager moved him to LTIR today. Not sure what their source is. Yeah he is listed in the IR spot but if you scroll down further to the LTIR spot he isn't listed so it's short term.
peter puck Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I Dont know about putting dumby and whitey in at the same time .For one you don't ph%ck with a winning streak and two you just ruined the fragile team chemistry. White back to his line and move Jake to the Laughton line. Finally number three..... Because we already know dumby sucks and there no sense in playing that damn overpaid popcorn machine operator.
radoran Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I'd be happier if he was the Andrew MacDonald before the trade. When he played for the Islanders. And he was still there. love it!I'd give MacDonald to the Islanders AND retain $1M in salary.For a skate sharpener.
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