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Greetings:

 

This was from today's Inquirer.  From my vantage; it's an accurate review at the 1/3 or point.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20151216_In_an_up-and-down__season__Flyers_on_the_upside_now.html

 

 


Only four players have double-digit point totals over the first 31 games. Yes, Voracek is apt to shake out of his season-long scoring slump at some point, and between Michal Neuvirth and Steve Mason, there's likely to be a hot goalie streak somewhere in the last 51 games of this season. But this is still a team bogged with third-line and fourth-line type players, and a team weighed down by hefty, unproductive contracts.
 

 

We are truly "mediocre."  His take on the forward corps is spot on--I think there'll be a cleansing in coming months and Ghost's performance may accelerate the remix.  

 

The intangible side--the gang standing up for each other, is a good point.  Hakstol deserves credit for fostering that   And if the redeployment of Voracek pans out, he gets another medal.

 

Best,

Howie

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I thought this article hit the spot too Howie, basically a good win last night but nothing to get excited about. Nice to see Couturier and Voracek score goals.

Now let's see whether Jake can score against other teams too, not just Carolina!

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Greetings:

This was from today's Inquirer. From my vantage; it's an accurate review at the 1/3 or point.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20151216_In_an_up-and-down__season__Flyers_on_the_upside_now.html

We are truly "mediocre." His take on the forward corps is spot on--I think there'll be a cleansing in coming months and Ghost's performance may accelerate the remix.

The intangible side--the gang standing up for each other, is a good point. Hakstol deserves credit for fostering that And if the redeployment of Voracek pans out, he gets another medal.

Best,

Howie

I don't disagree with him but stating it like that implies that they can do single damn thing about it. They can't.

They can't even afford to play upcoming talent that would help like Konockney. They literally don't have the room and won't for two years.

Melting Gagner go and trading Streit would make playing some of those assets possible, but it wouldn't help us bring in 'legit" help.

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I don't disagree with him but stating it like that implies that they can do single damn thing about it. They can't.

They can't even afford to play upcoming talent that would help like Konockney. They literally don't have the room and won't for two years.

Melting Gagner go and trading Streit would make playing some of those assets possible, but it wouldn't help us bring in 'legit" help.

K-Squared:

 

If they do a  "ballsy" waiver and throw out Gagner and "other" to keep Ghost aboard it might be feasible but with less than $100K cap space (I see to recall that) they really need a salary dump of some kind.  Would they waive a Vandy or other, knowing they'd probably go?  

 

Agreed that our former GM left quite a legacy.  You hope they might learn some lessons.

 

Howie

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K-Squared:

If they do a "ballsy" waiver and throw out Gagner and "other" to keep Ghost aboard it might be feasible but with less than $100K cap space (I see to recall that) they really need a salary dump of some kind. Would they waive a Vandy or other, knowing they'd probably go?

Agreed that our former GM left quite a legacy. You hope they might learn some lessons.

Howie

After this season a buyout of Umberger and Vinny wouldn't be horrendous damage over coming seasons. No don't know the formula well enough to say what it would be, but one year for Umberger and 2 for Vinny wouldn't leave us damaging cap hits for too deeply into the future.

Mac we're stuck with.

Gagner should probably stay, but we can't afford him.

If Streit can play well (and I'm of the belief that he will be mostly his old self) he should fetch a good return at the deadline -if in fact there is competitive team with the cap room to pay him for another year. He'll be a great stretch run acquisition for anyone really.

Totally guessing here, but maybe that buys us 11-12 million in cap room (depending on the buyouts).

How much do you think Stamkos wants to eschew Toronto?

;)

Seriously though. With your plan executed on those players, next year gets way easier without giving up any huge pieces. I do like Streit, but we're doing okay without him and he's more valuable as a trade piece.

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Seriously though. With your plan executed on those players, next year gets way easier without giving up any huge pieces. I do like Streit, but we're doing okay without him and he's more valuable as a trade piece.

 

Yeah, I think this offseason they can get some nice space on the cap and we'll see some "kids" coming up.

 

They need to decide what to do with The Schenn Boys, Gagner, Medvedev. I concur that Streit would be a great deadline deal for them this season (assuming he's back). I don't know if Gagner has shown enough to make him worth keeping.

 

They need to either buyout VLC or trade and retain something like $2M in salary. That would basically be their cap penalty for the buyout and they wouldn't get the $1M (or so) off per year at the end of the buyout penalty.

 

Umburglar would be a $1.6M hit next season and $1.5M the year after that. I have a suspicion that they will keep him, though (not what I'd do...).

 

Gagner and a VLC resolution would net them about $5.5M. Streit would represent another $5.25M.

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Playoff teams with cap space enough to absorb Streit's salary:

 

Ottawa (Need to re-sign Hoffman, Weircoch, Ceci, Chiasson, and a few others)

NYI (Nielsen and Okposo among offseason FAs)

Detroit (Due to Franzen/Quincy LTIR. FAs include Dekeyser, Mrazek, Pulkinen, Andersen, Miller, Helm, and Richards) - may actually be a good trading partner

Devils (Half their team are FAs next year, including almost all of their forwards)

Nashville (Jones, Forsberg among their FAs) - not sure they'd be looking for a defenseman.

 

The Flyers could also accept back an expiring UFA contract to help a team create cap space this season to facilitate the trade (or any trade) - and this could actually allow them to get more/better picks or prospects. In the case of Streit, I don't want to absorb salary in any deal.

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@AJgoal

 

I don't see them sending him inside the division (NYI, NJD).

 

Detroit is an interesting idea as it doesn't seem Green has been what had been hoped.

 

I agree that Nashville would be a real outlier as they seem pretty stacked at the blue line.

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I don't see them sending him inside the division (NYI, NJD).

 

Detroit is an interesting idea as it doesn't seem Green has been what had been hoped.

 

I agree that Nashville would be a real outlier as they seem pretty stacked at the blue line.

 

I somewhat agree about inside the division, but the Flyers and Isles have been pretty good trading partners over the years. I just don't know that they'd want to commit 5.25 million next year to getting Streit back. They don't have a ton of space, and I would think that Neilsen and Okposo would be high on their list of offseason priorities.

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This team is what they are...   a couple of talented players and the rest are 3rd and 4th line types.   Nothing special and not enough talent to make a run if they somehow happened to slip into the playoffs - which I dont think they will.

 

this year is about taking away positives for the future:  G is playing great hockey and he is an elite player in this league, Gost has been stellar offensively and provided much needed enthusiasm, Hak seems to be learning and has done a very good job, Neuvy/Mason are a stellar 1-2 combo in goal no matter who turns into the #1...  Laughton started off strong but has been bad as of late...

 

there are positives but moves still need to be made.   This deadline should be about clearing cap space.   

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i may be crazy but I don't see Mark Streit stirring up much interest at the TD. I'm not saying there won't be takers but I wouldn't look for a classic TD overpayment for him. He's old and expensive and quickly approaching the fragile end of his career...I'd be happy with a 2nd rounder for him.

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i may be crazy but I don't see Mark Streit stirring up much interest at the TD. I'm not saying there won't be takers but I wouldn't look for a classic TD overpayment for him. He's old and expensive and quickly approaching the fragile end of his career.

 

he's also one season removed from 10th most points by a defensemen, tied for 1st in PP points.  matter of fact, tied for 10th in PP points for all skaters.  the guy can still play, and can bring a bunch of firepower to a team that needs a boost from the blueline.  imo, he is exactly the kind of player that teams would love to add for a playoff run.  one more season on his deal sours that a little, but only a little.  because, again, he is currently among the top offensive defenseman in the league.  it isn't like you have to go back 5 years to find him at the top of the pile.

 

depending on the actual teams in play, of course, i would be surprised if a 1st or its equivalent wasn't involved.

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FLYERS: Mason waiting for Neuvirth to cool off

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/2015/12/16/steve-mason-waiting-michal-neuvirth-cool-off/77434066/

 

“You hope that they have confidence in you just like I have confidence in my abilities,” said Mason, who is in the second of a three-year contract extension. “I guess it’s reassuring, but at the same time you have to go out there and prove it day in and day out. Right now it’s a different role and situation that I’ve been in the last week or so and it’s not fun to sit on the bench, but you understand why it’s happening.”

 

 

“Michal deserves the net. He’s been playing extremely well,” Mason said. “He’s probably been one of the hottest goalies throughout the entire league the entire season. That’s a credit to him. I haven’t played as well as I wanted. It’s been a struggle to get into that groove and part of that’s my own doing because of what happened at the beginning of the season and not having that consistency really.”

 

Well sounds like he is taking it well. He'll get back in soon i think.

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Ya I get it - he's valuable to a PO team in need, racks up points and isn't horrible defensively. I guess I just never liked him that much. So ... F Mark Streit! lol

My biggest thing with him is he is the true meaning of one demnitonal...in it's truest form. Horrible i mean horrible in his own and please anyone who responds don't come with some Corsi bullshit to try and change my mind i've seen 3nough of him to know what he is.

Reminds me of a older version of Andy Delmore.

That is why if they can get a 1st for him? Buh bye.

I'd take a 2nd even to get rid of his caphit for the next 2 years.

They already have a guy to replace him who i already think is better in his own zone (with room to grow still) that him and can provide the same offense he does only about 4 million cheaper....you may have heard of tbis guy. Yes Ghost. Sure there are parts of bis game he needs to work but in my mind he makes Streit expendable!

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Streit was already expendable IMO, even if Ghost was still in the A. Sadly, he's still one of our better Dmen...but if someone needs a pp specialist for the playoffs and wants to throw us a 1st, I'm all in. 

 

We've got 2-2nds (again since Homers gone) and could move up again if someone Hextall really likes is still there, or just go for quantity.

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Yeah, I think this offseason they can get some nice space on the cap and we'll see some "kids" coming up.

They need to decide what to do with The Schenn Boys, Gagner, Medvedev. I concur that Streit would be a great deadline deal for them this season (assuming he's back). I don't know if Gagner has shown enough to make him worth keeping.

They need to either buyout VLC or trade and retain something like $2M in salary. That would basically be their cap penalty for the buyout and they wouldn't get the $1M (or so) off per year at the end of the buyout penalty.

Umburglar would be a $1.6M hit next season and $1.5M the year after that. I have a suspicion that they will keep him, though (not what I'd do...).

Gagner and a VLC resolution would net them about $5.5M. Streit would represent another $5.25M.

So buying out Unberger nets them like 3.5 in cap room next season (but costs them 1.6 or so the next).

If there's an FA out there I want, I'd totally do that.

I don't think it'll be worth dropping 10 million or whatever it'll take to get Stamkos. But they should have enough to find some kind of a shot from somewhere.

I think Gagner can stay if he can resign for 2 million or so. He won't though I'm not sure who's out there that wants to drop more than he's getting now. N

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@OccamsRazor

 

Streit was already expendable IMO, even if Ghost was still in the A. Sadly, he's still one of our better Dmen...but if someone needs a pp specialist for the playoffs and wants to throw us a 1st, I'm all in. 

 

We've got 2-2nds (again since Homers gone) and could move up again if someone Hextall really likes is still there, or just go for quantity.

 

 

agree about Streit FC...  IMO he has *been* expendable for some time now and I am not a Streit hater.  I think Jack and I were in a small minority that likes the signing at the time.   Like every other dman on the Flyers roster they are playing out of a spot.  Streit is not a #1 but can be an effective player.  Still good on the PP and he can skate and move the puck.  I think there will be teams that will give him a hard look at the deadline and if we can get a 1st for him even better.

 

if he sticks around I am not going to be upset either. I don't see Sam as being ready for the NHL next year and unless Prov and/or Sanheim make the leap it would not be terrible to have Streit.  Although, he is now the official QB for the 2nd PP - Gost needs to stick on that 1st unit.  He and G have something special going....

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So buying out Unberger nets them like 3.5 in cap room next season (but costs them 1.6 or so the next).
If there's an FA out there I want, I'd totally do that.

 

I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have done it after last season :)

 

The caveat is "who's available?" (see below)

 


I don't think it'll be worth dropping 10 million or whatever it'll take to get Stamkos. But they should have enough to find some kind of a shot from somewhere.

 

I kind of expect Stamkos to sign with Tampa - or be dealt before he reaches free agency to a team that has something worked out. I don't expect the Flyers to be in on that - especially now that #homercoster™ is gone.

 


I think Gagner can stay if he can resign for 2 million or so. He won't though I'm not sure who's out there that wants to drop more than he's getting now. N

 

I like Gagner, but as you say, he's likely not staying for (much?) less than he's making now ($3.2M).

 

I don't see a lot of UFAs that are readily available after this season - http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/- especially not LWers (I think Staal is a pipe dream and then you're looking at Teddy Purcells and Andrew Ladds - not players I'd look to break the bank to get). Teams aren't really letting top players hit the market too too often these days.

 

If anything, some creative trades could be in the offing, otherwise I just see opening up some space and roster spots as a silver lining.

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