King Knut Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 This war Gainst fighting has got to be ended. That the league is more okay with dangerous hits that can lead to concussions and other severe and career threatening injury than it is with a player defending his teammates against these dangerous hits is enraging to me. I know the league is fighting bad press of something the The Boogard situation, but what Simmonds is doing is NOT sport fighting and is in fact on the side of defending players from severe injury.If they'd give more misconducts for dangerous hits, Simmonds wouldn't have to instigTe more fights. BOTH dangerous situations averted by COMMON FRIGHIN' SENSE. I really hate this league sometimes. Where the hell is the NHL's Head?
BluPuk Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Agree 100%. What the NHL is doing I would call lip service. It borders on criminal activity. Get rid of the instigator rule.
hf101 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Where the hell is the NHL's Head? Fighting the ensuing Concussion lawsuit against the league from former players who are now living their post playoff days fighting the daily war against CTE.
OccamsRazor Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Where the hell is the NHL's Head? Up their collective asses!
brelic Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Fighting the ensuing Concussion lawsuit against the league from former players who are now living their post playoff days fighting the daily war against CTE. It's not a stretch to think that today's players could use the current rules (e.g. penalizing a player coming to the help of a teammate who was the victim of a dirty hit) as a as a future legal argument that the structure did not discourage dangerous hits. On the one hand, I think the league absolutely cares about the safety of its players. Without them, they have nothing. On the other, it's not hard to imagine that they accept that lawsuits and damages awarded are just part of doing business. An acceptable risk, if you will. For every billion dollars they generate, say, $10M or $20M go to settling lawsuits. That's 1-2%.
canoli Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Instigator or no instigator when you play against Dubinsky or Torres or the Ruutus (okay maybe just Jarko) etc. the first time anyone gets a chance they should level him with the hardest hit they can deliver. Send a message early in the game, "you like that Brandon? there's plenty more where that came from." this will probably come out sounding biased but here goes anyway: I know Clarke was notorious for chopping ankles and playing "dirty" but i think what Dubinsky did last night was way worse. He's flying full speed at Voracek on the wall and mid-impact twists himself so he can throw a knee into Voracek's groin. The difference to me is Clarke knew what kind of damage he was inflicting but Dubi was completely out of control and could've done career-ending damage to JV. Clarke was a bastard to play against no doubt but I don't remember him throwing out-of-control hits at the opposition the way Dubi does, or Cooke did, or Ruutu.
BluPuk Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Just FYI, I loved watching Clarke play and I was (am) a Leafs fan. No one I know ever considered him to be a dirty player. He was hard-nosed, sure; and damned hard to play against but that just makes him a damned good hockey player. Wish we had one like him in our line-up....
Podein25 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Just FYI, I loved watching Clarke play and I was (am) a Leafs fan. No one I know ever considered him to be a dirty player. He was hard-nosed, sure; and damned hard to play against but that just makes him a damned good hockey player.Wish we had one like him in our line-up....Wow, that's a new one. Most people I talk to consider him a dirty player with many remembering him only as a dirty player, not the fantastic center that he was. Interesting.
canoli Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Just FYI, I loved watching Clarke play and I was (am) a Leafs fan. No one I know ever considered him to be a dirty player. He was hard-nosed, sure; and damned hard to play against but that just makes him a damned good hockey player. Wish we had one like him in our line-up.... wow that's surprising. Everyone I know, even Flyers' fans believe Clarke was a "dirty" player, and a great player and captain too. I use quotes around "dirty" b/c there's a big difference between how he played and the headhunters around the league - or the out-of-control clowns like Dubinksky (who I actually like as a player; wish he'd quit the cheap stupid stuff)
sarsippius Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Just FYI, I loved watching Clarke play and I was (am) a Leafs fan. No one I know ever considered him to be a dirty player. He was hard-nosed, sure; and damned hard to play against but that just makes him a damned good hockey player.Wish we had one like him in our line-up....As a Flyer fan, quite frankly I'm offended at the suggestion that Clarke was not a dirty player!But glad to hear his skill recognized first
RJ8812 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 I wouldn't say the instigator rules needs to be eliminated. It just needs to be tweaked.
terp Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 If the officials would call a 5 minute major for potential career threatening hits like the one Dubinsky put on Vorachek and then suspend repeat offenders, then maybe guys like Dubinsky would think twice and Simmonds wouldn't have to instigate a fight quite as often.
King Knut Posted December 20, 2015 Author Posted December 20, 2015 Fighting the ensuing Concussion lawsuit against the league from former players who are now living their post playoff days fighting the daily war against CTE.Maybe they should start protecting the players then instead of moronically and naively assuming, "Fighting bad.CTE .injuries only come from fighting!"
intheslot Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 2 5 and 10 minutes is something they are going to have stop doing .. Take the number and hit later losing simmer for 17 + minutes is n not good. Catch them next shift . Get rid of the instigator rule.....To Many Minutes to lose Simmer..
canoli Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 It's pretty hard to hold back in the moment tho don't ya think? I'd love to see Simmonds wait a few shifts then take care of business. Or better yet like I said level him clean and hard right at the beginning. Easier said than done I know but guys like Dubinsky should have a target on his chest by now.
Howie58 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I think there is a bigger question this season--he is -11. Yes, he is a great teammate. Yes, he brings an A game every night. But...if he doesn't score 20+ goals and becomes a defensive liability, the fighting is a sideshow. And if this pattern continues, he begins to lose games. If there are problems with officiating and dirty players, that's for Hexy and management to deal with through the channels. Simmonds won't change a system problem. Howie
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