OccamsRazor Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 38 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: And even better when Philly can roll out him, Provorov and Sanheim. We might see the first pp ever with 3 defencemen on it! And they have 2 stay at home types coming to possibly play with them in the pipeline....Morin and Reece Willcox (6-4 right hand shot) who will be with the Phantoms next year. Then if Meyers ever pans out another right hand shot so they have reinforcements coming....soon. So the blueline will be chocked with size and more importantly mobility and skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @OccamsRazor Now all we need is Dubois and Jones in this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1st pair.... 2nd pair...... 3rd pair... ..future looks bright... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Jones/Giroux/Voracek Schenn/Dubois/Simmonds Aube-Kubel/Couturier/Konecny Raffl/Laughton/White even brighter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Jones/Giroux/Voracek Schenn/Dubois/Simmonds Aube-Kubel/Couturier/Konecny Lindblom/Laughton/Leier even brighter... Even the brightest!!! 2 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamflyers Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Ghost pushes his point streak to 10 games, tying Renberg's team record for a rookie. Chances are, he won't win ROY, but he continues to keep this team interesting and within reach for a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Adamflyers said: Ghost pushes his point streak to 10 games, tying Renberg's team record for a rookie. Chances are, he won't win ROY, but he continues to keep this team interesting and within reach for a playoff spot. Ekblad won it off a 12 goal 39 point season...but he did it in 81 games...Tyler Meyers off a 11 goal 48 point season...but also played in every game too...to me so far with his size...Ghost is even more impressive...maybe i'm biased.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamflyers Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Ekblad won it off a 12 goal 39 point season...but he did it in 81 games...Tyler Meyers off a 11 goal 48 point season...but also played in every game too...to me so far with his size...Ghost is even more impressive...maybe i'm biased.... I hope you're right OR. He deserves serious consideration, especially considering he is a defensemen and he has played far less games than the guys ahead of him and is within 10 points of them, with the exception on Panerin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 49 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Ekblad won it off a 12 goal 39 point season...but he did it in 81 games...Tyler Meyers off a 11 goal 48 point season...but also played in every game too...to me so far with his size...Ghost is even more impressive...maybe i'm biased.... Ekblad is 10X better than Ghost defensively. Or 20. He's also helped the perennially terrible Panthers become the 2nd best team in the conference. I agree that's it's amazing he can play D at that size. But that shouldn't come into account for a trophy. They don't say Ovechkin or Crosby is the most valuable player, but we're giving the Hart to Gallagher cause he's smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 11 hours ago, Adamflyers said: Ghost pushes his point streak to 10 games, tying Renberg's team record for a rookie. Chances are, he won't win ROY, but he continues to keep this team interesting and within reach for a playoff spot. After hockey last night we're at the bar and I say "Now that Crosby got shutout last game, guess who has the longest points streak going in the NHL". One guy looks at me and says "Not Ghost?" . I think I'm getting to them. In other news RJ Umberger tied his season long point streak at one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eleven24 Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 7 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Ekblad is 10X better than Ghost defensively. Or 20. He's also helped the perennially terrible Panthers become the 2nd best team in the conference. I agree that's it's amazing he can play D at that size. But that shouldn't come into account for a trophy. They don't say Ovechkin or Crosby is the most valuable player, but we're giving the Hart to Gallagher cause he's smaller. You know, the other night I was leaving the local ice rink after practice and the game was on the TV in the lobby. A parent of one of the kids I coach glances over and says "Ghost got another point tonight". We then started talking about the kid, and how he has almost singlehandedly become the reason many are watching the Flyers again. Just as we're saying that, Ghost makes a terrific defensive play by anticipating a pass, using his speed, and eliminating the chance the other way - all inside the other team's defensive zone. So while a lot of people keep saying that Ghost is great, but he's not the best defensive player - I ask, what are we using to measure such effectiveness as a defenseman? Is it because he's not the traditional definition of a d-man in being big, strong, and able to clear the front of the net? This was the conversation at the rink in front of that TV. Several others started chiming in, about the incredible anticipation Ghost has. And more specifically, the speed at which he anticipates the play. His read/react time is incredibly quick, and when matched with his physical quickness, his best defensive attribute is often the ability to simply keep the puck in the offensive zone. Perhaps that's why he's a +4 on a team that is an overall -14. He has 16 points on the power play, third on the team behind Giroux, 19; and Voracek, 18. If you include the power play points, he's a +20. By comparison, Giroux is a -8. Include G's PPP and he's a +11. MDZ, -8. Point is, I think all of this talk is nonsense with his defensive weakness. Especially this early into his NHL career. ROY nominee. Has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 4 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Hey FC .... Remember that ghost t shirt you posted awhile back? Is that a real site that you can by the shirt from, and if so, link? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 @Claude Monet The company is Bark tees and the shirt was called Ghost Bullies I think....ya it's real, got mine in Dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 @eleven24 Ghost does anticipate some plays well defensively. And he's a hell of a lot better than i thought he'd be in his own end, given his size. But the difference between him and Ekblad is pretty obvious IMO. Game 7 Stanley Cup final, you're up by a goal with a minute left...who do you want out there, Ghost or Ekblad? Cause what Ghost has for smarts, Ekblad has in spades. Ditto for shot. Ghost has him in skating, but not by much. Ekblad has him in size by far. As for Calder consideration, I'd say he deserves it. I just don't see him winning because he didn't play near as many games.....so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 9 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Ekblad is 10X better than Ghost defensively. Or 20. He's also helped the perennially terrible Panthers become the 2nd best team in the conference. I agree that's it's amazing he can play D at that size. But that shouldn't come into account for a trophy. They don't say Ovechkin or Crosby is the most valuable player, but we're giving the Hart to Gallagher cause he's smaller. Comparing Ekblad to Ghost is not even fair. Ekblad already has an argument as the superior player being 2 years younger. By the time Ekblad is 22 he will be contending for the Norris trophy. I would bet on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, JagerMeister said: Comparing Ekblad to Ghost is not even fair. Ekblad already has an argument as the superior player being 2 years younger. By the time Ekblad is 22 he will be contending for the Norris trophy. I would bet on it... I agree. And I didn't bring up Ekblad. Ghost has been great for the Flyers, and proof that picks after the 1st round hold value. You may not hit on them often, but when you do its a lot better than throwing them away on rentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 So you re do that 2012 draft and i think he is better than almost every Dman in that 1st round. Player Nationality NHL Team College/Junior/Club Team 1 Nail Yakupov (RW) Russia Edmonton Oilers Sarnia Sting (OHL) 2 Ryan Murray (D) Canada Columbus Blue Jackets Everett Silvertips (WHL) 3 Alex Galchenyuk (C) United States Montreal Canadiens Sarnia Sting (OHL) 4 Griffin Reinhart (D) Canada New York Islanders Edmonton Oil Kings(WHL) 5 Morgan Rielly (D) Canada Toronto Maple Leafs Moose Jaw Warriors(WHL) 6 Hampus Lindholm(D) Sweden Anaheim Ducks Rogle BK (Allsvenskan) 7 Mathew Dumba (D) Canada Minnesota Wild Red Deer Rebels (WHL) 8 Derrick Pouliot (D) Canada Pittsburgh Penguins (from Carolina)1 Portland Winterhawks(WHL) 9 Jacob Trouba (D) United States Winnipeg Jets US NTDP (USHL) 10 Slater Koekkoek (D) Canada Tampa Bay Lightning Peterborough Petes(OHL) 11 Filip Forsberg (RW) Sweden Washington Capitals (from Colorado)2 Leksands IF(Allsvenskan) 12 Mikhail Grigorenko(C) Russia Buffalo Sabres Quebec Remparts(QMJHL) 13 Radek Faksa (C) Czech Republic Dallas Stars Kitchener Rangers(OHL) 14 Zemgus Girgensons(C) Latvia Buffalo Sabres (from Calgary)3 Dubuque Fighting Saints(USHL) 15 Cody Ceci (D) Canada Ottawa Senators Ottawa 67's (OHL) 16 Tom Wilson (RW) Canada Washington Capitals Plymouth Whalers (OHL) 17 Tomas Hertl (C) Czech Republic San Jose Sharks Slavia Prague (ELH) 18 Teuvo Teravainen(RW) Finland Chicago Blackhawks Jokerit (SM-liiga) 19 Andrei Vasilevskiy(G) Russia Tampa Bay Lightning (from Detroit)4 Tolpar Ufa (MHL) 20 Scott Laughton (C) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Oshawa Generals (OHL) 21 Mark Jankowski (C) Canada Calgary Flames (from Nashville via Buffalo)5 Stanstead College (HS–Quebec) 22 Olli Maatta (D) Finland Pittsburgh Penguins London Knights (OHL) 23 Mike Matheson (D) Canada Florida Panthers Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL) 24 Malcolm Subban (G) Canada Boston Bruins Belleville Bulls (OHL) 25 Jordan Schmaltz (D) United States St. Louis Blues Green Bay Gamblers(USHL) 26 Brendan Gaunce (C) Canada Vancouver Canucks Belleville Bulls (OHL) 27 Henrik Samuelsson(C) United States Phoenix Coyotes Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL) 28 Brady Skjei (D) United States New York Rangers US NTDP (USHL) 29 Stefan Matteau (C) Canada United States New Jersey Devils US NTDP (USHL) 30 Tanner Pearson (LW) Canada Los Angeles Kings Barrie Colts (OHL) Shows what a steal he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 @OccamsRazorYup, intelligent decision making on the Philadelphia crew. Scout's did an exceptional job. I'd even say he is better than Zemgus and perhaps Filip Forsberg in terms of impact. You have a great player that will only begin improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 5 hours ago, JagerMeister said: @OccamsRazorYup, intelligent decision making on the Philadelphia crew. Scout's did an exceptional job. I'd even say he is better than Zemgus and perhaps Filip Forsberg in terms of impact. You have a great player that will only begin improving. Ghost for only 925K for this year and next is a blessing. Sure isn't a porch clearer but i think his defensive game is in a good place. Sure he still needs to grow but not many at 22 don't....but honestly i like his defensive game more than any other defenseman on the roster now....not a lot to really compare to but right now i'd take his game over even MDZ. Sky is the limit for this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Gostisbehere breaks the record for longest point streak by a rookie Dman -11 games...not too bad for a kid who grew up in South Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, hf101 said: Gostisbehere breaks the record for longest point streak by a rookie Dman -11 games...not too bad for a kid who grew up in South Florida. Certainly improves the probability of him winning. The voters love stats like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 2/12/2016 at 6:57 AM, Adamflyers said: I hope you're right OR. He deserves serious consideration, especially considering he is a defensemen and he has played far less games than the guys ahead of him and is within 10 points of them, with the exception on Panerin. A good read.... In breaking records, Shayne Gostisbehere gains no ego http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/2016/02/13/breaking-records-shayne-gostisbehere-gains-no-ego/80352090/ His 30 points this season in 36 games put him fifth among rookies in scoring. He isn’t the trendy pick to win the Calder Trophy as the league’s best rookie because Chicago’s Artemi Panarin has 52 points and Detroit’s Dylan Larkin, an All-Star, has 38 points and is a plus-25. Then again, Florida defenseman Aaron Ekblad was eighth in rookie scoring last year with 38 points when he won the Calder and he played 81 games. The key for Gostisbehere, as it was for Ekblad, was the confidence he had in taking so much responsibility so soon for his team. HHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On 2/7/2016 at 10:06 AM, flyercanuck said: Jones/Giroux/Voracek Schenn/Dubois/Simmonds Aube-Kubel/Couturier/Konecny Raffl/Laughton/White even brighter... http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2016/ 1 Columbus Auston Matthews RW Zurich (NLA) 6' 0" 198 2 Buffalo Patrik Laine LW Tappara Tampere(SM-liiga) 6' 4" 210 3 Toronto Jesse Puljujärvi RW Kärpät (SM-liiga) 6' 2.75" 196 4 Edmonton Matthew Tkachuk LW London (OHL) 5' 11.75" 188 5 Winnipeg Jacob Chychrun D Sarnia (OHL) 6' 2" 194 6 Calgary Alexander Nylander LW AIK (Allsvenskan) 5' 10.75" 160 7 Anaheim Mikhail Sergachev D Windsor (OHL) 6' 2" 205 8 Philadelphia Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton(QMJHL) 6' 1" 181 9 Arizona Jake Bean D Calgary Hitmen(WHL) 6' 0" 176 10 Carolina Dante Fabbro D Penticton (BCHL) 6' 0" 172 11 Ottawa Julien Gauthier RW Val-d'Or (QMJHL) 6' 3" 220 12 Montreal Michael McLeod C Mississauga(OHL) 6' 0.75" 183 13 Nashville Olli Juolevi D London (OHL) 6' 2" 185 14 Toronto Tyson Jost C Penticton (BCHL) 5' 11.5" 190 15 Vancouver Max Jones LW London (OHL) 6' 1.5" 180 16 Colorado Riley Tufte LW Fargo (USHL) 6' 4.75" 210 17 Boston Vitali Abramov RW Gatineau(QMJHL) 5' 8" 154 18 New Jersey Keiffer Bellows C Sioux Falls(USHL) 6' 0" 185 19 Boston Logan Brown C Windsor (OHL) 6' 5" 215 20 NY Islanders Clayton Keller C US-Under-18(USAH-NTDP) 5' 9" 173 21 Minnesota German Rubtsov C Vityaz Podolsk HC (Rus Jr) 6' 1" 174 22 Detroit Alex DeBrincat RW Erie (OHL) 5' 7" 160 23 Tampa Bay Luke Kunin C Wisconsin 6' 0" 192 24 Arizona Carl Grundström LW Modo Hockey(SHL) 6' 0" 187 25 Florida Brett Howden LW Moose Jaw (WHL) 6' 1" 191 26 Carolina Rasmus Asplund C Färjestad BK(Sweden) 5' 11" 176 27 St. Louis Markus Niemeläinen D Saginaw (OHL) 6' 4" 190 28 Dallas Sam Steel C Regina (WHL) 5' 11" 165 29 Chicago Tyler Benson LW Vancouver (WHL) 5' 11" 185 30 Washington Carter Hart G Everett (WHL) 6' 0" 165 Hey did you draw this up??? Someone is thinking your way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 @OccamsRazor I'd love that...except as it stands we're picking 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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