When will the Trading begin?

[Jam1986]

Now that we have to win most or our games to make playoffs!  So my Question is when if at all when will the trading begin for The Flyers?

[RJ8812]

what are you expecting? All the players that we would have on the block are crap and teams won't be lining up to trade for them 

[OccamsRazor]

13 minutes ago, Jam1986 said:

Now that we have to win most or our games to make playoffs!  So my Question is when if at all when will the trading begin for The Flyers?

 

As soon as they can find someone to take some of this garbage!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Adamflyers]

I could see Streit and Read having a little value at the trade deadline. Streit more so than Read, but I could see getting something for either of them if Hexy was looking to open up some spots and free up some cap space.  The kimmo trade from last year comes to mind.  

[RJ8812]

I can't see Streit being moved with another year left on his contract. No one is going to want him at his price tag  

[flyer4ever]

Just give it away. Start falling down the standings. Draft higher. Being mediocre sucks. Bottom out and rebuild for f*#k sake. How many more years of sneaking into 8th or ninth do you want? 

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, RJ8812 said:

I can't see Streit being moved with another year left on his contract. No one is going to want him at his price tag  

 

Yeah especially with as meh as he has been this year they will have to keep him another year.

[Adamflyers]

9 hours ago, RJ8812 said:

I can't see Streit being moved with another year left on his contract. No one is going to want him at his price tag  

That's right.  I forgot he had one year left.  Was thinking this was his last year.  Never mind my comparison to the Kimmo trade!  It was based on this being Streits final year. And with 3 years left on the Read contract at about 3.5M hit, he is not going anywhere at deadline either.  So I correct my original post and am in agreement with others..we have very little of value at the deadline!

[flyercanuck]

Pronger. LeCavalier. Clarkson. Horton. All untradeable contracts....until they were traded. 

 

There was no way Coburn was worth a 1st round pick....until he returned a 1st and a 3rd and Gudas.

 

Streit and his contract are tradeable. 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Streit is a proven commodity in the league. Yeah, he's having a down year (he really doesn't fit the scheme that Hakstol is trying to use), but there's value there in a guy who can still run a power play, has remained relatively healthy and doesn't have a lot of mileage on a 37 year old body. I don't know if a 1st could be had for him anymore, but a couple of seconds a B level prospect can certainly be had.

 

Read might be a little more difficult to move, but it's possible a change of scene could do him some good. For instance, I think he'd be a great 3rd line winger in Calgary and be that great veteran mentor the club could need (especially when they have so many young guys in the lineup). If the Flyers could get a guy like Klimchuk and a draft pick out of the deal, that would be a bonus.

 

I'm almost certain we're going to see the end of Schultz and Medvedev in Philadelphia, maybe even Michael Raffl. So, that's five possible bodies that could be shipped out and all five should have no problems generating interest on the market. The only bad contracts going forward I can see the Flyers being stuck with will be MacDonald and Umberger's. MacDonald is pretty much going to be buried in the AHL for the duration of his contract and Umberger will probably play out 2016/2017 and then the Flyers get back 4.6 million in cap space.

[Digityman]

Streit is definitely tradeable.  

Read is definitely tradeable.  

 

Read is a great utility player that can play up and down the lines, where-ever needed.   I don't really understand the crap this guy gets.  He is almost always noticable, plays PK minutes and can play on any line in a pinch.   I'm assuming everyone thought he would produce like he did his first year.   Team's need these types of players especially in the playoffs.  If he is on the block, Hexy can get someone to overpay for him and get a 1st.  

 

Streit is a perfect fit for a #3 or #4 dman.  On the broadcast yesterday they were saying there are a lot of teams going into the playoffs that could use defensive help.  Streit, while he does have another year on his contract, could fill a very big hole for a team going into the playoffs.   I bet Hexy gets at a 1st for him.

 

@bobbyclarkefan16

Agreed on Raffle and Schultz.  I don't think they should move Medvedev but if a few of the kids are ready next year, maybe he could fetch a 2nd.

[RJ8812]

This is basically what we have going into the deadline:

 

-Sam Gagner (UFA 2016): won't get much for him. most likely just a mid-to-late draft pick.
-R.J. Umberger (UFA 2017): we all know Hextall would love to move him, but no one wants him. I'd be surprised if he's moved.
-Matt Read (UFA 2018): he's been bad the last few years. I think if Hextall can get a nice return for him, he will be shipped out
-Michael Raffl (UFA 2016): he'll either be re-signed by the end of the month, or traded
-Mark Streit (UFA 2017): I don't think he'll be moved this year simply because we can't retain any more salary in trades and I don't see any playoff team trading for him now because of that extra year on his contract
-Evgeny Medvedev (UFA 2016): because of his age, if Hextall gets a nice offer for him, I could see him being moved. If not, I'd re-sign him to a similar deal as he has now
-Nick Schultz (UFA 2017): could be good depth for a playoff team, but his extra year may stop him from being moved
-Brandon Manning (RFA 2016): I'd personally move him since he's nothing more than a fringe NHLer, but I don't know who would be interested in him 

-Ryan White (UFA 2016): I'd keep him around, but wouldn't be opposed to moving him if we get a nice offer

[radoran]

Streit is "tradeable" but you're going to need the right situation - a somewhat desperate team that just lost a piece. Streit has all of 2 points in 16 games since returning from injury. Zero on the power play (yes, he lost his spot to Gotstobehere). And, to my eye test, he just doesn't look like the same player. At 38 with a year left on his deal, I don't know that he's going to bring much back. Still, addition by subtraction.

 

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

Pronger. LeCavalier. Clarkson. Horton. All untradeable contracts....until they were traded. 

 

There was no way Coburn was worth a 1st round pick....until he returned a 1st and a 3rd and Gudas.

 

Streit and his contract are tradeable. 

 

On a strict apples-to-apple level, none of those apply as comparisons to Mark Streit.

 

Clarkson was traded for Horton. If you want to get back an overpaid, aging defenseman in the trade I'm pretty sure you could work that. Hey, Brooks Orpik could be available... Maybe swing a deal for Matt Carle?

 

LeCavalier was traded while eating half his salary for potentially the next two years. The Flyers can't retain any more this year, but I'm pretty sure you could fairly easily deal Streit if you could retain $2.5M of his salary. Maybe you could get back a third or an AHL player?

 

Pronger was traded to a cap floor team and his "cost" is $575K towards a $4.9M cap hit. Streit is only paid $4M next season - with a $2M signing bonus. I think you're more likely to trade him in this scenario after July 1 when he's be a $2M cost on a $5.25M cap hit. And you still have to deal with his modified NTC...

 

And Coburn is exactly what I am talking about in terms of finding the "right" partner. Unfortunately, Streit isn't exactly increasing his trade value with his post-injury play. If he was 29-30, though, it could work. But he's 38.

 

So, yes, Streit is "tradeable". But let's not be counting the chickens we're going to get from a cracked egg.

[flyercanuck]

No chickens counted here rad.Just pointing out that Streit has value at the deadline. Depth on D has proven to be a valuable commodity and not everyone is set at pp qbs (and injuries could still happen with those that are). As a player he's not as good as last year...though he may be still trying to get back to game shape.

 

Old beaten up Timonen got us 2-2nds last year. He looked more done than Streit. Of course Chicago was basically guessing what they were getting.

[radoran]

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

No chickens counted here rad.Just pointing out that Streit has value at the deadline. Depth on D has proven to be a valuable commodity and not everyone is set at pp qbs (and injuries could still happen with those that are). As a player he's not as good as last year...though he may be still trying to get back to game shape.

 

Old beaten up Timonen got us 2-2nds last year. He looked more done than Streit. Of course Chicago was basically guessing what they were getting.

 

TImonen got a 2nd and a conditional 4th that Chicago turned into a 2nd by winning the Cup.

 

TImonen also had 87 career playoff games and a trip to the Final in his career. Streit has 25 and got to the second round once.

 

And TImonen isn't on Chicago's cap this year...

 

And just to reiterate Streit is tradeable. Again, if you find the right partner...

 

It all depends what one thinks is coming back.

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

And, to my eye test, he just doesn't look like the same player.

 

 

Sadly he just doesn't he looks old and slow and that use to not be his game....no matter he could move...so being slow now and combined with WTF moves in his own zone play i'm afraid they are stuck with him till maybe the offseason they can move him but otherwise unless he gets better in the next 2 weeks they are stuck with him.

 

Edit: I'd be happy to be wrong about this....really.

[flyer4ever]

Cowen, Greening, Michalek and a second for Phaneuf and scraps. The value of Streit and Gudas just went up, as long as Hexy doesn't wait too long. Teams are starting to load up their bluelines for the playoffs. 

[radoran]

I don't think Gudas is going anywhere. He's a young, relatively cheap RFA who plays "the Flyer way" (i.e. "likes to hit")

 

Now, Schultz and Medvedev are a different discussion. I think both of them could be valuable trade bait.

 

I hope they can get something for Streit (see above).

[OccamsRazor]

Well at this point Streit is damn near worthless(zero points and -2 in his last 6 games)....at this point Flyers would have to send a 1st round pick with him for a team to take him...

 

 

...in fact it's a toss up of who is worse for me Schultz or Streit....and the combo of them both on the ice together the opposition must be praying they get to face those two keystone cops.....

[Howie58]

Tonight's game was a reminder that our assets for trade may be few and far between.  Addition by subtraction will help.  Agreed with Occam that Streit is not showing much.  we are not in a good spot. 

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

6 hours ago, Howie58 said:

Tonight's game was a reminder that our assets for trade may be few and far between.  Addition by subtraction will help.  Agreed with Occam that Streit is not showing much.  we are not in a good spot. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah it's not just him. But i had hopes of moving him and getting a nice return...........that is over i know it isn't happening. What and who if they can move is anyone's guess...sad.

[OccamsRazor]

I do think with games and points slippin away if Hextall wants to make a serious run for the playoffs he needs to be proactive before the deadline or the before it starts getting crazy...

 

...or i could honestly see him just riding it out and just being in sell mode just trying to jettison as much junk as he can while collecting any assests that would be available while dumping contracts...if any this year may not be as lucrative as last year for sure.

[flyercanuck]

41 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

I do think with games and points slippin away if Hextall wants to make a serious run for the playoffs he needs to be proactive before the deadline or the before it starts getting crazy...

 

...or i could honestly see him just riding it out and just being in sell mode just trying to jettison as much junk as he can while collecting any assests that would be available while dumping contracts...if any this year may not be as lucrative as last year for sure.

 

 

You don't seriously think Hextall is going to buy? We're the same team we were last year. 

[OccamsRazor]

44 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

 

You don't seriously think Hextall is going to buy? We're the same team we were last year. 

 

Well i wouldn't say it would be necessarily call it buying but yeah swapping out a rental for rental type guy yeah i could see it happening but making some big huge acquisition block buster type no. But a rental he may have eyes on for the summer i could see some type of move yeah.

 

Say just for *examples sake* move say Streit for a Loui Eriksson type of deal. Flyers need a LW and he is going to be a UFA. So a move like that i could see.

 

Once again before the flood of rants from the arm chair GMs coming in i'm using it for example...becuase i would interested in Eriksson and intrigued to see if he could help...but i can't see Boston trading with the Flyers and it sure wouldn't be for Streit....and it would have be an overpay which i don't want to do.

 

But i'm at work and it's hard to know without looking if anything of value would be available. But i am not interested in moving any of the kids...i'd only want to move an expiring contract.

 

So the options would very very limited....

[RJ8812]

Hextall will not be a buyer in the sense that he won't be giving up anything for a rental. He will try to do whatever he can to improve this team's future.