brelic Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Meltzer/Flyers-Gameday-2916-vs-ANA/45/74608 Key team stat comparisons (NHL overall ranking) Non-shootout goals per game: Flyers 2.37 (25th), Ducks 2.22 (T-29th) Non-shootout goals against per game: Flyers 2.61 (14th), Ducks 2.37 (8th) 5-on-5 Goals For/Against Ratio: Flyers 75/78, Ducks 73/87 Power play efficiency: Flyers 18.2% (17th), Ducks 17.9% (20th) Penalty killing efficiency: Flyers 78.7% (T-23rd), Ducks 89.1% (1st) Shots per game: Flyers 30.4 (11th), Ducks 30.7 (T-7th) Shots against per game: Flyers 32.3 (29th), Ducks 27.5 (3rd) Faceoff percentage: Flyers 50.0% (T-15th), Ducks 51.2% (6th) Projected lineups (subject to change, will be updated) Flyers 93 Jakub Voracek - 28 Claude Giroux - 17 Wayne Simmonds 89 Sam Gagner - 52 Nick Cousins - 10 Brayden Schenn 76 Chris VandeVelde - 78 Pierre-Edouard Bellemare - 25 Ryan White 12 Michael Raffl - 21 Scott Laughton - 24 Matt Read 15 Michael Del Zotto - 53 Shayne Gostisbehere 55 Nick Schultz - 32 Mark Streit 82 Evgeny Medvedev - 3 Radko Gudas 35 Steve Mason [65 Anthony Stolarz] Scratches: Brandon Manning (healthy), Jordan Weal (healthy), R.J. Umberger (healthy), Michal Neuvirth (IR, lower body), Sean Couturier (IR, lower body). Ducks 57 David Perron - 15 Ryan Getzlaf - 29 Chris Stewart 19 Patrick Maroon - 67 Rickard Rakell - 10 Corey Perry 7 Andrew Cogliano - 17 Ryan Kesler - 33 Jakob Silfverberg 16 Ryan Garbutt - 44 Nate Thompson - 25 Mike Santorelli 4 Cam Fowler - 2 Kevin Bieksa 47 Hampus Lindholm - 42 Josh Manson 24 Simon Despres - 45 Sami Vatanen 31 Frederik Andersen [36 John Gibson] Scratches: Harry Zolnierczyk (healthy), Korbinian Holzer (healthy), Clayton Stoner (IR, hip), Shawn Horcoff (NHL suspension). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Tim Panaccio @tpanotchCSN 1h1 hour ago Manning replaces Medvedev in Flyers lineup tonight vs ANA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hell the way it's been looking lately Medvedev might be the 1st guy traded out of town....he keeps getting put on popcorn duty...we'll see soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Oof... Manning and Gudas???? That's pretty gross. We targeted Panarin and lost out - Medvedev isn't even a consolation prize so far. He's so uneven. I like the 2nd line of Gagner/Cousins/Schenn. It really gives Cousins a chance to show what he's got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Need a d-man that can clear the porch thats why med sits little more clearing the front porch.. l in Manning.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, brelic said: Oof... Manning and Gudas???? That's pretty gross. We targeted Panarin and lost out - Medvedev isn't even a consolation prize so far. He's so uneven. I like the 2nd line of Gagner/Cousins/Schenn. It really gives Cousins a chance to show what he's got. Yeah that is why i guess if they can turn a guy who was in the KHL into a 2nd (highly doubt it) or 3rd round pick it would be considered a win i think...especially with him constantly being in Hak's doghouse. IIRC the deadline is the 29th of this month....so it would seem like they would play him more to showcase him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, intheslot said: Need a d-man that can clear the porch thats why med sits little more clearing the front porch.. l in Manning.. Manning and Gudas is scary as hell........Ducks must be licking their chops to get after this blueline....yikes they are struggling to score too...Flyers are just the think to get you going!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sekkes85 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 This will went 1-0 with a shootout going to the 12th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 50 minutes ago, intheslot said: Need a d-man that can clear the porch thats why med sits little more clearing the front porch.. l in Manning.. That was also needed in the Caps game with Ovechkin parked in front of Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Good game to start a streak Fly Guys win this one .... 4 to 2 ... GO FLYERS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 We looked undisciplined and were overrun. The talent level is radically different. Mason looked all-too-human on the second gaol. Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 This game perfectly highlighted a major part of the identity crisis that is the current makeup of the Flyers. They are small and lack overall team speed. Its a bad combination playing against a bigger team that clogs up the neutral zone forcing you into dumping and chasing. Tonight it was more of a dump and out as they were unable to matchup size wise along the boards and establish any meaningful forechecking game. Its an interesting dilemma because the Flyers could stand to improve in size but they also need to improve in speed. It's difficult to get one without sacrificing the other as there are few players out there that have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, PhilsFanDrew said: This game perfectly highlighted a major part of the identity crisis that is the current makeup of the Flyers. They are small and lack overall team speed. Its a bad combination playing against a bigger team that clogs up the neutral zone forcing you into dumping and chasing. Tonight it was more of a dump and out as they were unable to matchup size wise along the boards and establish any meaningful forechecking game. Its an interesting dilemma because the Flyers could stand to improve in size but they also need to improve in speed. It's difficult to get one without sacrificing the other as there are few players out there that have both. I was thinking this same exact thing last night. The flyers used to build their teams like this ducks team. They used to be big and tough but they didn't mix in enough speed. They did pretty well with that formula though. They were always easily a playoff team. Could you imagine being a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team in the east...they were always right there. When's the last time we saw that? The last 5 times or so the flyers made the playoffs, they snuck in and could have easily missed the playoffs. I feel like instead of making some minor adjustments to their formula, maybe adding some speed to their size and toughness, they completely changed it up. They decided to go small and before you know it, they average 13 lbs lighter than the ducks! But they forgot one thing....speed! Small doesn't always mean fast. They are small, soft, and slow. You have to hope Hextal knows what he's doing but sometimes I question it. I like the skill coming in but I think he needs to add some beef. I would love to have a punishing 3rd or 4th line. Guys that the opposing coach is afraid of physically. I'd rather have that than Read, gagne, raffle, bellemare, vandevelde, and cousins. I think those guys are all AHL quality. There's a fine line between AHLers and 4th line NHLers. 4th line NHLers don't need to be skill guys. If you're going to throw Vandevelde out there to do nothing, what's the difference if you throw a 6'-3" 230 lb goon out there. They both do nothing offensively, but at least the goon can give you some energy and cause the other team to second guess things. The flyers 3rd and 4th line's do nothing....nothing! They just eat minutes. Do something...anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 hours ago, icehole said: I was thinking this same exact thing last night. The flyers used to build their teams like this ducks team. They used to be big and tough but they didn't mix in enough speed. They did pretty well with that formula though. They were always easily a playoff team. Could you imagine being a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team in the east...they were always right there. When's the last time we saw that? The last 5 times or so the flyers made the playoffs, they snuck in and could have easily missed the playoffs. I feel like instead of making some minor adjustments to their formula, maybe adding some speed to their size and toughness, they completely changed it up. They decided to go small and before you know it, they average 13 lbs lighter than the ducks! But they forgot one thing....speed! Small doesn't always mean fast. They are small, soft, and slow. You have to hope Hextal knows what he's doing but sometimes I question it. I like the skill coming in but I think he needs to add some beef. I would love to have a punishing 3rd or 4th line. Guys that the opposing coach is afraid of physically. I'd rather have that than Read, gagne, raffle, bellemare, vandevelde, and cousins. I think those guys are all AHL quality. There's a fine line between AHLers and 4th line NHLers. 4th line NHLers don't need to be skill guys. If you're going to throw Vandevelde out there to do nothing, what's the difference if you throw a 6'-3" 230 lb goon out there. They both do nothing offensively, but at least the goon can give you some energy and cause the other team to second guess things. The flyers 3rd and 4th line's do nothing....nothing! They just eat minutes. Do something...anything! A couple of things: One, you forget to mention the obvious thing missing from the game vs the Ducks: Couturier. It's ok, I'm here to remind you. He can't skate, but he is bigger. Two, you're views on size, speed, skill, AHL vs NHL etc are very simplistic Three, it's Gagner with an "r" as opposed to Gagne, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 6 hours ago, icehole said: I was thinking this same exact thing last night. The flyers used to build their teams like this ducks team. They used to be big and tough but they didn't mix in enough speed. They did pretty well with that formula though. They were always easily a playoff team. Could you imagine being a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team in the east...they were always right there. When's the last time we saw that? The last 5 times or so the flyers made the playoffs, they snuck in and could have easily missed the playoffs. I feel like instead of making some minor adjustments to their formula, maybe adding some speed to their size and toughness, they completely changed it up. They decided to go small and before you know it, they average 13 lbs lighter than the ducks! But they forgot one thing....speed! Small doesn't always mean fast. They are small, soft, and slow. You have to hope Hextal knows what he's doing but sometimes I question it. I like the skill coming in but I think he needs to add some beef. I would love to have a punishing 3rd or 4th line. Guys that the opposing coach is afraid of physically. I'd rather have that than Read, gagne, raffle, bellemare, vandevelde, and cousins. I think those guys are all AHL quality. There's a fine line between AHLers and 4th line NHLers. 4th line NHLers don't need to be skill guys. If you're going to throw Vandevelde out there to do nothing, what's the difference if you throw a 6'-3" 230 lb goon out there. They both do nothing offensively, but at least the goon can give you some energy and cause the other team to second guess things. The flyers 3rd and 4th line's do nothing....nothing! They just eat minutes. Do something...anything! I will pass on the Jody Shelley approach...his riveting 3 minutes a game is not going to help anything............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 6 hours ago, icehole said: I like the skill coming in but I think he needs to add some beef. I would love to have a punishing 3rd or 4th line. Guys that the opposing coach is afraid of physically. I'd rather have that than Read, gagne, raffle, bellemare, vandevelde, and cousins. the problem with those guys is they don't add enough scoring isn't it ? i wouldn't give an dead owl's hoot about having big, scary, dudes on the team if those guys could pot me 10-15 goals a season with 15-20 assists...the guys you mention just don't have enough skill imo so as you rightfully point out, they more or less take their sticks for a skate 10- 15 minutes a night, it's frustrating when those guys come over the boards the best you're going to get is some cycle time and maybe a missed open net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Podein25 said: A couple of things: One, you forget to mention the obvious thing missing from the game vs the Ducks: Couturier. It's ok, I'm here to remind you. He can't skate, but he is bigger. Two, you're views on size, speed, skill, AHL vs NHL etc are very simplistic Three, it's Gagner with an "r" as opposed to Gagne, Simon Last night was the first night I actually thought they missed couturier. The two weekend games weren't a result of his absence. So you think Couturier is big? 197 isn't what I was talking about. I was just making the point that there isn't much difference between a big goon that scores 5 points a season and vandevelde that scores 10 points a season. They're both useless but at least the big guy doesn't let you get man-handled like they were last night. I would much rather switch out a bigger, less "skilled" AHLer for a smaller, more skilled "4th liner" Thanks for the spelling update. I'll keep that in mind when I enter the hockey name spelling bee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, icehole said: So you think Couturier is big? As I wrote in my post, in clear black and white, Couturier is "bigger" as in: not-as-small. So, it seems that spelling is the least of your problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Podein25 said: Don't quit your day job. You never answered the question I wrote in clear black and white. Bigger than what? With couturier out of the lineup, did they get smaller? Maybe a little but Clemente said the flyers averaged 13 lbs less than the ducks per man. I assume he was including couturier on the team. 13lbs smaller per man means the flyers are too small. Even worse, they are slower than the ducks. Now I'd like to go out and pick a corey Perry of a tree, but they don't grow on trees. Patrick Maroons do grow on trees though and they make more of an impact than basically the flyers entire bottom 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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