Howie58 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Tonight's game was a reminder that Neuvirth has been statistically better than MASE this year....15 on save percentage and roughly half a goal against. Tonight, Neuvy was .900 in relief and Mason was .80 or so. I am not saying we "dump" Mason. But if a team needed goalie help called Hexy....and offered a second round pick + a prospect (doubt we'd get a first), what would recommend? He only has a year left on the contract, minimizing risk for the other team. I like the guy but wonder about his mental state. Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 And what happens if Neuvirth sucks next year? Both are under contract for another season at a very good price. You make your choice next season. No need to rush it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I would consider trading everyone on the current roster except 17,53 & 93. 28 is a great player but probably won't be a 1st line center when the Flyers are ready to seriously compete for a cup. The more you give the more you get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 24 minutes ago, flyer4ever said: I would consider trading everyone on the current roster except 17,53 & 93. 28 is a great player but probably won't be a 1st line center when the Flyers are ready to seriously compete for a cup. The more you give the more you get back. Trade. All. Things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 One year of exceptional goaltending doesn't exactly prove anything. Mason is a proven elite goaltender, Neuvrith has never even had a season close to this year. Many goalies have these years and then fade into obscurity or never come close to eclipsing that year. Look at Dubynk and Hamburglar this year and compare it to previous year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Howie58 said: Tonight's game was a reminder that Neuvirth has been statistically better than MASE this year....15 on save percentage and roughly half a goal against. Tonight, Neuvy was .900 in relief and Mason was .80 or so. I am not saying we "dump" Mason. But if a team needed goalie help called Hexy....and offered a second round pick + a prospect (doubt we'd get a first), what would recommend? He only has a year left on the contract, minimizing risk for the other team. I like the guy but wonder about his mental state. Howie I would "listen' to offers for anyone on the team....but as much as i like Neuvy and he has outplayed Mase...i'm not ready to move him yet...unless blown away by a deal...i would however monitor the situation over the course of next year and how both play and maybe look into it next year depending on how much Mase wants to resign for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It only took us 30 years to find a good goalie. I'm sure if we were to trade Mason we could find another just as fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhole Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: I would "listen' to offers for anyone on the team....but as much as i like Neuvy and he has outplayed Mase...i'm not ready to move him yet...unless blown away by a deal...i would however monitor the situation over the course of next year and how both play and maybe look into it next year depending on how much Mase wants to resign for. This exactly. And if this tandem continues to play this well into next year, and the money stays reasonable, do another contract cycle with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Howie58 said: Tonight's game was a reminder that Neuvirth has been statistically better than MASE this year....15 on save percentage and roughly half a goal against. Tonight, Neuvy was .900 in relief and Mason was .80 or so. I am not saying we "dump" Mason. But if a team needed goalie help called Hexy....and offered a second round pick + a prospect (doubt we'd get a first), what would recommend? He only has a year left on the contract, minimizing risk for the other team. I like the guy but wonder about his mental state. Howie They were saying on Hockey Night In Canada last night that Mason was sick. Even though Glen Healey is a turd, he's probably got more insight on the position than anyone and he noted that when Mason was pulled in the third, he was sucking back Gatorade like it was going out of style on the bench. Dehydrated and was probably playing with some sort of bug. Maybe Mason shouldn't have played last night if he was ill. I get wanting to help the team, but if you're ill and you're having problems keeping hydrated, maybe you shouldn't be in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 10 hours ago, JagerMeister said: One year of exceptional goaltending doesn't exactly prove anything. Mason is a proven elite goaltender, Neuvrith has never even had a season close to this year. Many goalies have these years and then fade into obscurity or never come close to eclipsing that year. Look at Dubynk and Hamburglar this year and compare it to previous year. I like Mason and think on balance he is solid but I wouldn't go as far to label him "elite". Elite is more of the Price, Lundqvist, Quick, Holtby's of the league. I think with a solid defense in front of him he could probably put up near elite numbers but I don't think its fair to round it off and assume he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, PhilsFanDrew said: I like Mason and think on balance he is solid but I wouldn't go as far to label him "elite". Elite is more of the Price, Lundqvist, Quick, Holtby's of the league. I think with a solid defense in front of him he could probably put up near elite numbers but I don't think its fair to round it off and assume he would. You're right, he hasn't had an elite career as a goalie. But during his time in Philadelphia, I would say he has been excellent ( perhaps just below elite ) He was 3rd in save percentage last year and received enough Vezina votes to be 7th overall the year prior. But Michal Neuvrith's career save percentage is rather skewed because every time he has played more then 30 games his save percentage has been rather average, his highest is 9.14 with 30 more games played. I wouldn't be so willing as to give him the starter role. If he can prove to sustain decent numbers over a 30-40 game period in more then a single year then I would consider it. But how I perceive it, it seems like another Cinderella year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Mason and G to the oil... For hall and their first round pick .. !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 52 minutes ago, intheslot said: Mason and G to the oil... For hall and their first round pick .. !! Do you know where the dislike button is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Do you know where the dislike button is? Certainly missing one that is for sure....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 15 hours ago, flyer4ever said: I would consider trading everyone on the current roster except 17,53 & 93. 28 is a great player but probably won't be a 1st line center when the Flyers are ready to seriously compete for a cup. I don't understand this even a little bit. Giroux is the kind of player you try to get on your roster when you're trying to build a Cup contender. He's what you HOPE the draft picks and/or prospects you would acquire for him become. And people want to trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 16 hours ago, Howie58 said: Tonight's game was a reminder that Neuvirth has been statistically better than MASE this year....15 on save percentage and roughly half a goal against. Tonight, Neuvy was .900 in relief and Mason was .80 or so. I am not saying we "dump" Mason. But if a team needed goalie help called Hexy....and offered a second round pick + a prospect (doubt we'd get a first), what would recommend? He only has a year left on the contract, minimizing risk for the other team. I like the guy but wonder about his mental state. Howie Why Howie why trade him? It is a two goalie league now. I is awesome to have two starting goalies especialy if one gets hot and the other cold vise versa which happens during the course of a season. What happens if God Forbid one of them gets hurt who would step in? All do respect first you were talking about trading Simmonds and now Mason and I just do not understand why who will replace them? Our only power forward and now the best goalie we have had since Hextall ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Small price to pay for a top 5 pick G will be to old when the young D get here ... Mason dose not show he can stay healthy for long peroids at a time. Was just a thought.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, sarsippius said: I don't understand this even a little bit. Giroux is the kind of player you try to get on your roster when you're trying to build a Cup contender. He's what you HOPE the draft picks and/or prospects you would acquire for him become. And people want to trade him Honestly, comments like that make me think Giroux is underappreciated. Thankfully it's not the case here, but he doesn't exactly get the amount of recognition he deserves in the general hockey world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 29 minutes ago, intheslot said: Small price to pay for a top 5 pick G will be to old when the young D get here ... Too old for what? He's twenty freaking eight ! Is the D help ten years away? Yeah sure if somebody starts making ridiculous offers, like 3 first round picks and their entire farm system, then you listen. But why people want to trade him because he's not 21 and he's not Gretzky is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Philly29 said: Why Howie why trade him? It is a two goalie league now. I is awesome to have two starting goalies especialy if one gets hot and the other cold vise versa which happens during the course of a season. What happens if God Forbid one of them gets hurt who would step in? All do respect first you were talking about trading Simmonds and now Mason and I just do not understand why who will replace them? Our only power forward and now the best goalie we have had since Hextall ironically. Philly 29: Thanks for the respect....it is a hallmark of the board...much obliged.. OK, here's my thinking. Next year at this time, we may have the following. If Mase goes back to numbers like last year, we probably need to ink a 4 year deal at 5 to 6 million to retain his services. If he has a year like this, and Neuvy shows the same numbers, we might tell Mase to take a hike. Right now we get something for him. Next year we may not...and given other needs and Mase's "challenges" with mind and body, we may say good bye anyhow. I looked at Neuvy's Washington record--he had one season with 48 games, another with 38, so he probably could handle a starter's quantity. I am not saying Trade Mase Now...but given the team's needs, having another draft pick and prospect may not hurt. We would have a quarter of the season, and maybe playoffs to get a feel for Neuvy as starter. Long-term, i don't see a 1 and 1A situation working well. I recall Minnesota had that with Dwayne Roloson and Manny Fernandez. Heck, you could say Parent and Favell were like that too. But eventually someone gets traded. If I were Hexy, I might explore options. Because I suspect by this time next year, he may be facing an up or out situation with Mason that may not be that favorable. Best. Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 55 minutes ago, Howie58 said: Philly 29: Thanks for the respect....it is a hallmark of the board...much obliged.. OK, here's my thinking. Next year at this time, we may have the following. If Mase goes back to numbers like last year, we probably need to ink a 4 year deal at 5 to 6 million to retain his services. If he has a year like this, and Neuvy shows the same numbers, we might tell Mase to take a hike. Right now we get something for him. Next year we may not...and given other needs and Mase's "challenges" with mind and body, we may say good bye anyhow. I looked at Neuvy's Washington record--he had one season with 48 games, another with 38, so he probably could handle a starter's quantity. I am not saying Trade Mase Now...but given the team's needs, having another draft pick and prospect may not hurt. We would have a quarter of the season, and maybe playoffs to get a feel for Neuvy as starter. Long-term, i don't see a 1 and 1A situation working well. I recall Minnesota had that with Dwayne Roloson and Manny Fernandez. Heck, you could say Parent and Favell were like that too. But eventually someone gets traded. If I were Hexy, I might explore options. Because I suspect by this time next year, he may be facing an up or out situation with Mason that may not be that favorable. Best. Howie If Mason can get back to what he was like last year if I where to Flyers I would give him the 5 or 6 mil easy but I would only resign him to 2 to 3 years at the most that would be my compromise. I think Neuvy is perfect where he is at I do not think he wants to be the starter I remember at the start of the year he said he loved where he was at and where he fit in the scheme of things with the Flyers, he was comfortable with his role and it suited him best. I think Neuvy is a great back up probably the best back up in the league or really I should say a starter 1-B goalie in the league and I would keep him there and I think he wants to stay there myself. Mason Starter 1-A and 1-B Starter/Back UP which is Neuvy. I think it really is a system to win a cup with when the offense and defense gets to where they half to be. In my heart of hearts I really think Neuvy really wants to be in a hybrid starter / back up role with Mason on the Flyers I really think he is having the time of his life right where he is at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhole Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yeah look what's happening to Montreal after loosing Price....no depth in goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, jackhole said: Yeah look what's happening to Montreal after loosing Price....no depth in goal. That and scoring problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 They're both doing well because they have each other, we shouldn't break the duo up, too often this team tosses pieces away because another one is slightly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Philly29 said: If Mason can get back to what he was like last year if I where to Flyers I would give him the 5 or 6 mil easy but I would only resign him to 2 to 3 years at the most that would be my compromise. I think Neuvy is perfect where he is at I do not think he wants to be the starter I remember at the start of the year he said he loved where he was at and where he fit in the scheme of things with the Flyers, he was comfortable with his role and it suited him best. I think Neuvy is a great back up probably the best back up in the league or really I should say a starter 1-B goalie in the league and I would keep him there and I think he wants to stay there myself. Mason Starter 1-A and 1-B Starter/Back UP which is Neuvy. I think it really is a system to win a cup with when the offense and defense gets to where they half to be. In my heart of hearts I really think Neuvy really wants to be in a hybrid starter / back up role with Mason on the Flyers I really think he is having the time of his life right where he is at. I hope you are right and we keep a good duo together. Whether that is sustainable....we'll see. Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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