yave1964 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 If this is what Canucks GM Jim Benning considers his post season push as far as adding talent, well, it might be considered by others as subtraction by addition. First they trade a real prospect, former first rounder Hunter Shinkaruk who is a point a game player in the AHL this year and a solid prospect, in exchange for Markus Karlsson who has been unable to crack the Flames on a regular basis. Granlund has a rep as being not good enough offensively to be a top six forward and not responsible enough defensively for a bottom six role. He seems the type who is destined to be in the KHL within a year or two, quickly forgotten, and the price, a real prospect like Shinkaruk was a HUGE price to pay. Now.....This. Phillip Larsen is a defenseman (rumor has it) who was drafted by Dallas and then dealt to Edmonton. He spent parts of five seasons in the league, never a full season, registering 8 goals at the NHL level and after the 2013-14 season he went to the KHL. The Hockey World did not notice. The Oilers retained his rights, the Canucks looked around today and decided to offer a fifth round pick for a defenseman and after seeing that Mike Weber was worthy of a third (another story for another place but WOW) Benning called the Oilers and donated his fifth rounder in exchange for the 26 year old Larsen who in six years in the NHL and was probably the most surprised man in Hockey when he found out someone traded for him. A fifth rounder for an undersized d-man who could never crack a team IN FIVE TRIES with a bad Stars team and a worse Oiler club. I mean, it is not as if it were giving up the Sedins or Horvat or something, but jeez, a fifth rounder for a defenseman who is not even in the league. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Benning is god......... God Awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I swear to Benning I just tried to swipe that bug emoji off my phone screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 28 minutes ago, sarsippius said: I swear to Benning I just tried to swipe that bug emoji off my phone screen. I have a fruit fly on my monitor that is trying to attack the animated bug lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 56 minutes ago, yave1964 said: If this is what Canucks GM Jim Benning considers his post season push as far as adding talent, well, it might be considered by others as subtraction by addition. First they trade a real prospect, former first rounder Hunter Shinkaruk who is a point a game player in the AHL this year and a solid prospect, in exchange for Markus Karlsson who has been unable to crack the Flames on a regular basis. Granlund has a rep as being not good enough offensively to be a top six forward and not responsible enough defensively for a bottom six role. He seems the type who is destined to be in the KHL within a year or two, quickly forgotten, and the price, a real prospect like Shinkaruk was a HUGE price to pay. Now.....This. Phillip Larsen is a defenseman (rumor has it) who was drafted by Dallas and then dealt to Edmonton. He spent parts of five seasons in the league, never a full season, registering 8 goals at the NHL level and after the 2013-14 season he went to the KHL. The Hockey World did not notice. The Oilers retained his rights, the Canucks looked around today and decided to offer a fifth round pick for a defenseman and after seeing that Mike Weber was worthy of a third (another story for another place but WOW) Benning called the Oilers and donated his fifth rounder in exchange for the 26 year old Larsen who in six years in the NHL and was probably the most surprised man in Hockey when he found out someone traded for him. A fifth rounder for an undersized d-man who could never crack a team IN FIVE TRIES with a bad Stars team and a worse Oiler club. I mean, it is not as if it were giving up the Sedins or Horvat or something, but jeez, a fifth rounder for a defenseman who is not even in the league. Wow. Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie VAN has let other 29 teams know they are open for business on: Vey, Bartkowski, Kenins, Cracknell, Higgins, Prust and Weber. So instead of a fire sale, the Canucks are having a tire fire giveaway? 4 of those players passed through waivers this year LOL 30 minutes ago, sarsippius said: I swear to Benning I just tried to swipe that bug emoji off my phone screen. Awesome. That was the desired effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 57 minutes ago, yave1964 said: If this is what Canucks GM Jim Benning considers his post season push as far as adding talent, well, it might be considered by others as subtraction by addition. First they trade a real prospect, former first rounder Hunter Shinkaruk who is a point a game player in the AHL this year and a solid prospect, in exchange for Markus Karlsson who has been unable to crack the Flames on a regular basis. Granlund has a rep as being not good enough offensively to be a top six forward and not responsible enough defensively for a bottom six role. He seems the type who is destined to be in the KHL within a year or two, quickly forgotten, and the price, a real prospect like Shinkaruk was a HUGE price to pay. Now.....This. Phillip Larsen is a defenseman (rumor has it) who was drafted by Dallas and then dealt to Edmonton. He spent parts of five seasons in the league, never a full season, registering 8 goals at the NHL level and after the 2013-14 season he went to the KHL. The Hockey World did not notice. The Oilers retained his rights, the Canucks looked around today and decided to offer a fifth round pick for a defenseman and after seeing that Mike Weber was worthy of a third (another story for another place but WOW) Benning called the Oilers and donated his fifth rounder in exchange for the 26 year old Larsen who in six years in the NHL and was probably the most surprised man in Hockey when he found out someone traded for him. A fifth rounder for an undersized d-man who could never crack a team IN FIVE TRIES with a bad Stars team and a worse Oiler club. I mean, it is not as if it were giving up the Sedins or Horvat or something, but jeez, a fifth rounder for a defenseman who is not even in the league. Wow. What the Canucks are doing is called CTD. (Circling The Drain.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, J0e Th0rnton said: Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie VAN has let other 29 teams know they are open for business on: Vey, Bartkowski, Kenins, Cracknell, Higgins, Prust and Weber. So instead of a fire sale, the Canucks are having a tire fire giveaway? 4 of those players passed through waivers this year LOL If the Canucks were to trade the Sedins, do you think they have to be traded as a pair? If so, wouldn't that be the most impossible deal to make lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 I was just looking at the Canuck defense, omg the worst in the game.Even if you pretend Edler can play, he is hurt and gone probably for the year. That leaves... Tanev, solid shot blocker zero offense. He is the best they have and he is a number 4 on a good team. Bartkowski, even with losing Ference, Hamilton and Boychuk the Bruins gave up on him. A zero. Hamhuis, he was good once. It seems a long time ago. Yannick Weber, absolutely no idea how he keeps getting chances, dreadful player. Sbisa, like Bartkowski and Weber was once supposed to be good but is really somewhere between a seventh d man and ahl fodder in a good organization. Fedun, gets in every now and then because someone has to. Aundrey Pedan, not much of a prospect but looks like one compared to these slugs. My God they are so bad it makes Canuck fans pine longingly for Bieksa to return. So I guess now I see why Larsen was added for a fifth rounder, he literally might be the best offensive blueliner on the team, lol. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Larsen's fancy stats during his time in the NHL don't really inspire. I went and checked: of the 36 men that played at least 60 minutes with Larsen 26 had better Corsi% away from him. 29 had a better Corsi Against away from him. 22 had better GF/60 away from him. Getting a 5th for a player that wasn't remotely in their plans, and doesn't exactly have an inspiring history, is pretty good. Not sure at all what Benning is thinking here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I can't see any team trading for the Sedins, they are 35 with 2 more years of $7M each. no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 6 hours ago, JR Ewing said: Larsen's fancy stats during his time in the NHL don't really inspire. I went and checked: of the 36 men that played at least 60 minutes with Larsen 26 had better Corsi% away from him. 29 had a better Corsi Against away from him. 22 had better GF/60 away from him. Getting a 5th for a player that wasn't remotely in their plans, and doesn't exactly have an inspiring history, is pretty good. Not sure at all what Benning is thinking here. Hard to say, isn't it, the Oilers just fleeced someone, lol. I guess I can see what Benning was thinking, the team lost their one and only puck mover in Edler, there is nobody in the farm ready to take up that role, the Canucks are still barely hanging around, within sniffing distance of a playoff spot but far enough out that you don't want to give up a real player or a real pick to add a piece that might backfire if you miss the postseason, Larsen HAS put up good numbers in two seasons in the KHL as a puck mover so a fifth for a potential 'lightning in a bottle' player, it might not have been the biggest risk ever. I would not have done it, when Larsen went overseas I thought his NHL career was over, Hell, he probably did too. It is the move of a desperate team hoping to find a miracle cure to going on a decade of ignoring the defense and patching tires rather than replacing them. These things hardly ever work out but every now and then.... and if not, how many fifth rounders make the NHL and have significant careers anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 2 hours ago, yave1964 said: Hard to say, isn't it, the Oilers just fleeced someone, lol. I guess I can see what Benning was thinking, the team lost their one and only puck mover in Edler, there is nobody in the farm ready to take up that role, the Canucks are still barely hanging around, within sniffing distance of a playoff spot but far enough out that you don't want to give up a real player or a real pick to add a piece that might backfire if you miss the postseason, Larsen HAS put up good numbers in two seasons in the KHL as a puck mover so a fifth for a potential 'lightning in a bottle' player, it might not have been the biggest risk ever. I would not have done it, when Larsen went overseas I thought his NHL career was over, Hell, he probably did too. It is the move of a desperate team hoping to find a miracle cure to going on a decade of ignoring the defense and patching tires rather than replacing them. These things hardly ever work out but every now and then.... and if not, how many fifth rounders make the NHL and have significant careers anyway? That makes sense, however a player like Streit is also out there. I'm sure Hextall wants more than a 5th, but I think he is more of what the Canucks need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, hf101 said: 1 hour ago, hf101 said: That makes sense, however a player like Streit is also out there. I'm sure Hextall wants more than a 5th, but I think he is more of what the Canucks need. That makes sense, however a player like Streit is also out there. I'm sure Hextall wants more than a 5th, but I think he is more of what the Canucks need. Agreed, but the Canucks look to be ready to call it a year, adding cheap players with little investment in them, if it works fine, if not they move on. I think Benning is ready to throw the towel in on the season and call it a year. Granlund and Larsen are just bodies that fill a hole til someone better comes along. Wow this defense went south quickly. After the cu run, Salo retired, Garrison left as an UFA, Bieksa went as an UFA to the Ducks, Erhoff went the same way, Ballard retired. And they stood pat, picking up waiver claims to fill holes, year ager year guys like Andrew Alberts and Cam Barker and Raphael Diaz would get picked off the dung heap and found wanting and then replaced by another equally inept player. That is where they are now. The defense is the worst in the game and it has killed this team. They remind me more and more of the Senators under Alfie and Spezza who year in and year out were regular season darlings but then lost to Toronto every year in the first round. in 2006 they sort of had a final hurrah, losing in 5 in the finals to the Ducks. They were regular season stars but then floundered in the postseason. The sedin window has officially closed. They have ZERO chance to win as currently assembled. I think even the GM, based off his two moves so far this month seems to acknowledge it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, yave1964 said: Hard to say, isn't it, the Oilers just fleeced someone, lol. I guess I can see what Benning was thinking, the team lost their one and only puck mover in Edler, there is nobody in the farm ready to take up that role, the Canucks are still barely hanging around, within sniffing distance of a playoff spot but far enough out that you don't want to give up a real player or a real pick to add a piece that might backfire if you miss the postseason, Larsen HAS put up good numbers in two seasons in the KHL as a puck mover so a fifth for a potential 'lightning in a bottle' player, it might not have been the biggest risk ever. I would not have done it, when Larsen went overseas I thought his NHL career was over, Hell, he probably did too. It is the move of a desperate team hoping to find a miracle cure to going on a decade of ignoring the defense and patching tires rather than replacing them. These things hardly ever work out but every now and then.... and if not, how many fifth rounders make the NHL and have significant careers anyway? -This just shows how poorly Justin Schultz's value is seen across the league: the Canucks went to the Oilers for help moving the puck from the backend... and chose Philip Larsen. -My own line in the sand for a guy being an actual NHL player is if he makes it to the 240 GP range. How many 5th rounders (Larsen went for a conditional 4th, as it turns out) make it there? http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819 Not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 58 minutes ago, yave1964 said: They remind me more and more of the Senators under Alfie and Spezza who year in and year out were regular season darlings but then lost to Toronto every year in the first round. in 2006 they sort of had a final hurrah, losing in 5 in the finals to the Ducks. They were regular season stars but then floundered in the postseason. The Sens were a talented team that were missing a few key pieces (namely goaltending and defence). In 2006 the team acquired Dominik Hasek to go with a group that included Alfredsson, Spezza, Hossa, Chara, Redden, Phillips, etc... By 2006, the Senators were arguably the best team in the NHL. They were stacked. Unfortunately for them, they ran into a buzzsaw with the Ducks in the final. (Not unlike how a stacked Red Wings team got squashed by the Devils in 1995.) Sometimes it just works out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, yave1964 said: Agreed, but the Canucks look to be ready to call it a year, adding cheap players with little investment in them, if it works fine, if not they move on. I think Benning is ready to throw the towel in on the season and call it a year. Granlund and Larsen are just bodies that fill a hole til someone better comes along. Wow this defense went south quickly. After the cu run, Salo retired, Garrison left as an UFA, Bieksa went as an UFA to the Ducks, Erhoff went the same way, Ballard retired. And they stood pat, picking up waiver claims to fill holes, year ager year guys like Andrew Alberts and Cam Barker and Raphael Diaz would get picked off the dung heap and found wanting and then replaced by another equally inept player. That is where they are now. The defense is the worst in the game and it has killed this team. They remind me more and more of the Senators under Alfie and Spezza who year in and year out were regular season darlings but then lost to Toronto every year in the first round. in 2006 they sort of had a final hurrah, losing in 5 in the finals to the Ducks. They were regular season stars but then floundered in the postseason. The sedin window has officially closed. They have ZERO chance to win as currently assembled. I think even the GM, based off his two moves so far this month seems to acknowledge it as well. Ha, yeah. And Flyers fans think their defense is atrocious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 7 hours ago, JagerMeister said: Ha, yeah. And Flyers fans think their defense is atrocious.. It is. What is worse than atrocious? Or is that what "Canuck" actually means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 21 hours ago, J0e Th0rnton said: Benning is god......... God Awful Would you please get rid of that damn bug......I have got fingerprints all over my screen from trying to squash it.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, flyerrod said: Would you please get rid of that damn bug......I have got fingerprints all over my screen from trying to squash it.......... Is that a Brent Burns smiley?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, J0e Th0rnton said: Is that a Brent Burns smiley?? It looked like someone who would try and squash a bug....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, flyerrod said: It looked like someone who would try and squash a bug....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, J0e Th0rnton said: OK...maybe it was someone who would eat a bug.....Hey, Joe...Pass me the paste......... Or...What happened to my licking window....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SpikeDDS Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 On February 25, 2016 at 9:00 PM, WordsOfWisdom said: I have a fruit fly on my monitor that is trying to attack the animated bug lol. It may not be "attacking" it in the way you are thinking. #FruitflyPorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsun260z Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Not sure what the fuss is about with Shinkaruk, this year was a year that many young players made this team and he couldn't somehow manage to break into this line up that is very open to knew talent....Grandlund can play at this level simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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