eleven24 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Claude Giroux has some sick hands. That deke right, toe drag and then from the goal line attempting to roof the puck is something to behold. But it shouldn't be done in the shootout. The solution to the shootout is simple: have the players go in on net as if they were on a breakaway and a defenseman was chasing them down from behind. Simplify. Shoot the puck! Head up, maybe one deke. In other words, make a f***ing hockey play and stop acting like this is an audition for Top Play of the Night. Not only are the Flyers dismal in the shootout, but they DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE to scoring. Case in point: When was the last time you saw a trainer have to come out and tend to a goaltender during a shootout because the forward RAN INTO HIM? Hakstol lamented last night at the lost point in the standings, which is valid. Yet in 10 games this year which have gone to the shootout the Flyers have lost 8 points in the standings. If the Flyers were even a mediocre 50% in the shootout, the current standings would be: Division 2. Rangers, 73 gp, 41w, 90 pts 3. Pittsburgh, 72 gp, 40w, 88 pts 4. Flyers, 72 gp, 38w, 86 pts 5. Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Wildcard Flyers, 72 gp, 38w, 86 pts Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Detroit, 73 gp, 36w, 83 pts Reality? Division - no shot Wildcard Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Flyers, 72 gp, 35w, 83 pts Detroit, 73 gp, 36w, 83 pts That loss last night was essentially the tiebreaker should the Flyers end tied with Detroit for the final WC spot. The only reason the Flyers are listed as the WC team this morning is because they've played less games than Detroit. We all know how devastating the shootout has been for the Flyers, both this year and even going back to 2009-10. Since then the highest the Flyers have finished in terms of winning percentage among NHL teams in the shootout was in 2011-12 when they were 24th. During that span they are 20-46 in the shootout, which is 30%. As dismal as that is, the Flyers are at 20% for this season. At that rate I'd rather the Flyers just head to the locker room and take the loss. At least it would remove any hope we all feel when watching and thinking "maybe this time"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 If you're going to have a point system get rid of the shoot out and bring back the tie! Overtime should be twenty minutes sudden death. After twenty minutes if no one scores game would be declared a tie! If you are to have a shoot out, gat rid of the point system and go to a wins and loss system, which works for M.L.B and the N.B.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, notfondajane said: If you're going to have a point system get rid of the shoot out and bring back the tie! Overtime should be twenty minutes sudden death. After twenty minutes if no one scores game would be declared a tie! If you are to have a shoot out, gat rid of the point system and go to a wins and loss system, which works for M.L.B and the N.B.A. I am on board but with the scheduling of back to back games, travel etc. I think a full 20 minute OT would be a bit much. I say 10 minute OT. You could have 4 on 4 for the first five minutes then go 3 on 3 for the remainder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The shootout is so dumb. I agree with @notfondajane, make it a tie after the end of the OT period. Also, I love 3-on-3 in the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, eleven24 said: Claude Giroux has some sick hands. That deke right, toe drag and then from the goal line attempting to roof the puck is something to behold. But it shouldn't be done in the shootout. The solution to the shootout is simple: have the players go in on net as if they were on a breakaway and a defenseman was chasing them down from behind. Simplify. Shoot the puck! Head up, maybe one deke. In other words, make a f***ing hockey play and stop acting like this is an audition for Top Play of the Night. Not only are the Flyers dismal in the shootout, but they DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE to scoring. Case in point: When was the last time you saw a trainer have to come out and tend to a goaltender during a shootout because the forward RAN INTO HIM? Hakstol lamented last night at the lost point in the standings, which is valid. Yet in 10 games this year which have gone to the shootout the Flyers have lost 8 points in the standings. If the Flyers were even a mediocre 50% in the shootout, the current standings would be: Division 2. Rangers, 73 gp, 41w, 90 pts 3. Pittsburgh, 72 gp, 40w, 88 pts 4. Flyers, 72 gp, 38w, 86 pts 5. Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Wildcard Flyers, 72 gp, 38w, 86 pts Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Detroit, 73 gp, 36w, 83 pts Reality? Division - no shot Wildcard Isles, 71 gp, 38w, 85 pts Flyers, 72 gp, 35w, 83 pts Detroit, 73 gp, 36w, 83 pts That loss last night was essentially the tiebreaker should the Flyers end tied with Detroit for the final WC spot. The only reason the Flyers are listed as the WC team this morning is because they've played less games than Detroit. We all know how devastating the shootout has been for the Flyers, both this year and even going back to 2009-10. Since then the highest the Flyers have finished in terms of winning percentage among NHL teams in the shootout was in 2011-12 when they were 24th. During that span they are 20-46 in the shootout, which is 30%. As dismal as that is, the Flyers are at 20% for this season. At that rate I'd rather the Flyers just head to the locker room and take the loss. At least it would remove any hope we all feel when watching and thinking "maybe this time"... Or Konecny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Everybody hates the shoot-out. Everybody thinks we should not be awarding 3 points in some games and only two in others. That third point is kind of like a participation award. You know, like they give little kids in sports so no one feels bad. And it has the added benefit of disguising the poor overall talent level in the NHL. One wonders why the NHL is so happy with it doesn't one? Almost seems like it's helping with the falacy of parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Hockey games should be decided by teams playing hockey. Most often, the guys who hustled and fought to keep a game close, are bottom six. Whatever gimmick is used, shootouts, 4 on 4's, 3 on 3's, or whatever, doesn't include them. What's wrong with a tie? Soccer is immensely popular, and soccer ties are common. Chris Nilan proposed a solution. He, tongue in cheek, suggested that players should be put on the ice during OT by uniform number. Makes as much sense as shootouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, BluPuk said: Everybody hates the shoot-out. Everybody thinks we should not be awarding 3 points in some games and only two in others. That third point is kind of like a participation award. You know, like they give little kids in sports so no one feels bad. And it has the added benefit of disguising the poor overall talent level in the NHL. One wonders why the NHL is so happy with it doesn't one? Almost seems like it's helping with the falacy of parity. The Kings won their last cup with 40 wins and 42 losses, while Dallas went 42 wins and 40 losses and sat out the post season. The losers point gave the Kings their playoff spot. I'm not say the Stars would have won the cup I believe they deserved to have the to play in the post season that year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Samifan said: I am on board but with the scheduling of back to back games, travel etc. I think a full 20 minute OT would be a bit much. I say 10 minute OT. You could have 4 on 4 for the first five minutes then go 3 on 3 for the remainder. Any form of this is better than the system that is in place now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, blocker said: Most often, the guys who hustled and fought to keep a game close, are bottom six. Whatever gimmick is used, shootouts, 4 on 4's, 3 on 3's, or whatever, doesn't include them. generally, the last two minutes of the game and OT don't include them, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 17 hours ago, blocker said: Hockey games should be decided by teams playing hockey. Most often, the guys who hustled and fought to keep a game close, are bottom six. Whatever gimmick is used, shootouts, 4 on 4's, 3 on 3's, or whatever, doesn't include them. What's wrong with a tie? Soccer is immensely popular, and soccer ties are common. Chris Nilan proposed a solution. He, tongue in cheek, suggested that players should be put on the ice during OT by uniform number. Makes as much sense as shootouts. Imagine no extra innings in baseball, rather a home run derby between each teams top 2 HR hitters. Or basketball, going back and forth with foul shots until someone misses. Only the NHL would decide games with something taken out of the All Star game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 14 hours ago, aziz said: generally, the last two minutes of the game and OT don't include them, either. Best idea proposed yet. That would give the Flyers, off the top of my head, 3 more wins this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I love the Shootout!!!!! - said no true hockey fan ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, eleven24 said: Imagine no extra innings in baseball, rather a home run derby between each teams top 2 HR hitters. Or basketball, going back and forth with foul shots until someone misses. Only the NHL would decide games with something taken out of the All Star game. Soccer has a shoot out (though that's mostly because the game literally might never end otherwise) The way the NFL does it might as well be considered a "field goal off". Let's face it. Hockey and Football are different and they don't have endless overtimes like MLB and the NBA until the playoffs (for hockey anyway) for the exact same reason. It's a harder game and guys will get hurt. It's a measure to protect the players. Plain and simple. That said. I HATE NFL OVERTIME and i darn well HATE the shoot out. give them 10 minutes in OT. I don't even mind 3 on 3 if need be. Either that or bring back the tie and let's get on with our lives. The shootout is lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 And let's get rid of the 3 point games. Want to make a team work hard in OT? Make it a 10min OT and winner gets 2 points loser gets none. Game ends tied, then 1 point a piece. I guarantee most games would end before 5 min anyway, especially since teams would know it's almost impossible to "play not to lose" for 10 min & would be forced to go for the 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 4 hours ago, eleven24 said: And let's get rid of the 3 point games. the problem there is 3 point games are a big reason for apparent parity in the standings, i don't think the league is going to let them go. the shootout might be negotiable, but loser points are here to stay. with that in mind, i say make ALL games 3 point games. 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT win, and 1 point for an OT loss. not being beaten through 60 minutes is a competitive accomplishment of a sort, i don't mind some level of reward for it. games should be all be worth the same overall number of points, though. the idea that there are a variable number of points on the table, depending on when the game ends, is particularly stupid. even that out, and make outright regulation wins more valuable than anything else, and i think i'd be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 3 hours ago, aziz said: i say make ALL games 3 point games. 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT win, and 1 point for an OT loss Then like you said they want parity and it would be pointless (no pun intended) for the loser point....there goes your parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 On March 24, 2016 at 8:36 AM, King Knut said: Soccer has a shoot out (though that's mostly because the game literally might never end otherwise) The way the NFL does it might as well be considered a "field goal off". Let's face it. Hockey and Football are different and they don't have endless overtimes like MLB and the NBA until the playoffs (for hockey anyway) for the exact same reason. It's a harder game and guys will get hurt. It's a measure to protect the players. Plain and simple. That said. I HATE NFL OVERTIME and i darn well HATE the shoot out. give them 10 minutes in OT. I don't even mind 3 on 3 if need be. Either that or bring back the tie and let's get on with our lives. The shootout is lame. Soccer only uses the shoot out in knock out tournaments when someone has to advance. they are not used in league play. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 What is this mentality with ties? There is NOTHING wrong with ties. Please don't give me the NHL BS about fans having a right to see a "winner". The NHL doesn't give a damn about fans. Is anybody actually fooled by the loser point? I don't agree with any format other than winner take all. Ties are fine - they haven't harmed soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 On 3/24/2016 at 11:20 AM, eleven24 said: Imagine no extra innings in baseball, Or if someone actually burned a calorie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I would be open to expanding the OT 3 on 3 to 10 minutes. That i think would lead to less shootouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 The concept of a tie in soccer doesn't correlate to any of the North American sports. NA sports rely on a playoff system to determine a winner. In soccer, each team plays everyone home and away. 3 pts for a win...1 pt for a tie. Who ever had the most points at the end is champ. MLS doesn't follow this format because it is corrupted by capitalistic greed, just like everything else in that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I like all this speculation as if the league is going to even come close to considering a removal of the shootout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 6 hours ago, Claude Monet said: MLS doesn't follow this format because it is corrupted by capitalistic greed, just like everything else in that country. ? playoffs = capitalist greed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Greed is good..... :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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