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Shoulder will probably end his season.

 

Any shoulder injury experts in the house?  he lost time last year.  Shoulders aren't the kind of thing you hear about recurring a lot for Hockey players.  

Maybe he just needs the surgery and attention afforded by the big club?  I really think we need to see this kid in the lineup next year.  The help in Shootouts alone would be monumental.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, King Knut said:

Shoulder will probably end his season.

 

Any shoulder injury experts in the house?  he lost time last year.  Shoulders aren't the kind of thing you hear about recurring a lot for Hockey players.  

Maybe he just needs the surgery and attention afforded by the big club?  I really think we need to see this kid in the lineup next year.  The help in Shootouts alone would be monumental.

 

 

 

This shoulder of his is a mess. He's never had surgery on it so it finally has to be fixed. 6-8 months seems like a long time for a shoulder, but that still puts him back in time for the annual Santa booing.

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Just now, Podein25 said:

 

This shoulder of his is a mess. He's never had surgery on it so it finally has to be fixed. 6-8 months seems like a long time for a shoulder, but that still puts him back in time for the annual Santa booing.

 

I didn't realize they had a timeline.  

That's a long timeline for any surgery.  Yikes. 

 

He'll be 20 by then and can play with the phantoms by this time next year presumably.  Which isnt' terrible.  It'll be like Ghost in reverse.  He'll get the 2nd half of a season in the A next year and maybe if everything goes well there a playoff push call up to the big club.   Not ideal, but not terrible for him.  Better to get this addressed and rehab this thing right.   Better now than after he starts contributing and then rushes to come back before he's ready.  

 

 

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33 minutes ago, King Knut said:

 

I didn't realize they had a timeline.  

That's a long timeline for any surgery.  Yikes. 

 

He'll be 20 by then and can play with the phantoms by this time next year presumably.  Which isnt' terrible.  It'll be like Ghost in reverse.  He'll get the 2nd half of a season in the A next year and maybe if everything goes well there a playoff push call up to the big club.   Not ideal, but not terrible for him.  Better to get this addressed and rehab this thing right.   Better now than after he starts contributing and then rushes to come back before he's ready.  

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure he's a '97...his birthday is in March, so he just turned 19.   It's back to Juniors or the NHL for him next fall.   

 

I also think the expansion draft is going to factor into this.  If he's in junior next season, the Flyers don't have to worry about protecting him in the expansion draft.

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3 minutes ago, DaGreatGazoo said:

I also think the expansion draft is going to factor into this.  If he's in junior next season, the Flyers don't have to worry about protecting him in the expansion draft.

 

Yes, that's true. 

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1 minute ago, King Knut said:

Forgot about the expansion draft.  Yeah.  Okay.  So we won't see Him or Sanheim or Provo until after that I presume.  

 

I was wrong: first and second year players on ELCs are exempt from the expansion draft. Actually, @DaGreatGazoo was wrong. I was wrong to support him in his wrongness.

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8 minutes ago, DaGreatGazoo said:

Supporting a little green Martian is probably always a bad idea, in hindsight.  

 

No, I guess not, but you should see some of the things I've supported!

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2 hours ago, DaGreatGazoo said:

 

Thank you for your support.

 

@Podein25

 

From something i posted in another thread...i don't think it will.

 

A good read on the expansion and how it may affect the Flyers.......

 

 

How might a potential expansion draft affect Flyers?

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/2016/03/25/how-might-potential-expansion-draft-affect-flyers/82257712/

 

Enjoy. I know we were talking about this the other day just couldn't remember where so i thought here since it was about the Flyers would be good.

 

 

All signs point to the NHL being a season and change away from having a team in Las Vegas and perhaps one in Quebec as well.

Even the difference between one and two teams would be huge for the 30 franchises currently in the league.

General managers were preparing for the potential of an expansion draft in their meetings last week and bracing for what they might lose.

FLYERS MAILBAG: playoff hypotheticals

“It was interesting,” Flyers GM Ron Hextall said. “If there is expansion, you’re going to lose a good player but that’s the way it works. It was interesting. At some point here I’ll take a look at right now if we were to do it what we’d do just to get the thoughts going, but I haven’t delved into it that far yet.”

The rules that were set at the GM meetings in Florida as to how much teams could protect are a little bit different than in 2000 when the Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets joined the NHL.

In the 2000 draft, teams could protect one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. This time around the reported rules are that teams can only protect one goalie and either seven forwards and three defensemen or eight total skaters regardless of their position. This applies to all players who have two years of pro experience, so either the NHL or American Hockey League.

MORE: Flyers hoping top power-play unit catches fire

So what might a Flyers protection list look like?

If they can only protect one goalie, it’s pretty clear it's going to be 2012 second-round pick Anthony Stolarz because of the career he has in front of him. Still yet to play his first NHL game, Stolarz is still being developed and the Flyers don’t want to see him go.

The next part is where it gets potentially dicey, but also the Flyers get a bit of help. It was originally thought that players with less than two years of pro experience after the 2016-17 season are automatically protected, meaning Travis Konecny, Travis Sanheim, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Ivan Provorov and Oskar Lindblom are all safe even though there’s a very good chance that all of them are playing pro next season. Upon clarification it appears as though players who have completed their second pro season are also safe, so the Flyers don't have to have Sam Morin on their protection list either. 

“Bingo! I thought about that,” Hextall said when reminded that his plan of patience helps him in this regard. “That’s not why we did it, but that’s certainly a benefit for us right now.”

So whom do the Flyers have to protect? In the interest of protecting the most amount of assets, it's likely Hextall would opt for the option of three defensemen and seven forwards as opposed to eight total skaters.

With that in mind, here’s what seems most likely:

Defense: Shayne Gostisbehere, Mark Alt, Michael Del Zotto

Forwards: Claude Giroux, Jake Voracek, Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier, Nick Cousins, Taylor Leier

Just to throw a wrench into things, there’s another caveat in the projected rules for an expansion draft that mandates teams open up 25 percent of its previous season’s payroll (so the 2016-17 season) to be selected in the draft.

There has also been a thought that players with no-move clauses may be automatically protected in an expansion draft.

“I don't think it's that complicated, but it's an issue that hasn't been resolved in terms of how we intend to treat that,” deputy commissioner Bill Daly was quoted as saying by ESPN.com. “It's something that we're going to have to have a discussion (about) with the players' association.”

Only Wayne Simmonds and Claude Giroux are under contract with no-move clauses in 2017-18 and they will surely be on the protected list anyway. Mark Streit also has a no-move clause, but his contract is set to expire after next season anyway.

If players with no-move clauses don’t need to be protected, maybe the Flyers don’t have to tag Giroux or Simmonds as such and could use that attribution on someone like Scott Laughton instead.

Later!

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30 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

@Podein25

 

From something i posted in another thread...i don't think it will.

 

A good read on the expansion and how it may affect the Flyers.......

 

 

How might a potential expansion draft affect Flyers?

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/2016/03/25/how-might-potential-expansion-draft-affect-flyers/82257712/

 

Just to throw a wrench into things, there’s another caveat in the projected rules for an expansion draft that mandates teams open up 25 percent of its previous season’s payroll (so the 2016-17 season) to be selected in the draft.

 

 

 So... Andrew MacDonald?

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UPDATE:

 

Looks like Konecny after being evaluated in Philly yesterday does NOT NEED surgery.  Could possibly play in Game 5 for Sarnia over the weekend.

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/flyer-files/2016/03/30/travis-konecny-shoulder-injury-return-sarnia-sting/82410796/

 

Maybe it was not as serious as we all feared.

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2 hours ago, pilldoc said:

UPDATE:

 

Looks like Konecny after being evaluated in Philly yesterday does NOT NEED surgery.  Could possibly play in Game 5 for Sarnia over the weekend.

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/flyer-files/2016/03/30/travis-konecny-shoulder-injury-return-sarnia-sting/82410796/

 

Maybe it was not as serious as we all feared.

 

McCROSSIN !!!!

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On 31/03/2016 at 4:22 AM, pilldoc said:

UPDATE:

 

Looks like Konecny after being evaluated in Philly yesterday does NOT NEED surgery.  Could possibly play in Game 5 for Sarnia over the weekend.

 

http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/flyer-files/2016/03/30/travis-konecny-shoulder-injury-return-sarnia-sting/82410796/

 

Maybe it was not as serious as we all feared.

 

This is weird. I wonder how many medical opinions TK has had on his shoulder?  

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1 hour ago, Podein25 said:

 

This is weird. I wonder how many medical opinions TK has had on his shoulder?  

 

This is weird.  I also can't see the Flyers' sponsored opinion being the guy that risks things for an iffy OHL championship run.  You'd think our doctors would be more conservative and cautious in their assessment.

 

Still, the idea that a guy can go from "You're done for the year" to "Go back and play tomorrow" overnight is kind of terrifying.  Especially as he's had problems with this shoulder before.  

 

Alternatively, I'll theorize that what the Dr. MAY have said was more like, "He can't screw it up worse by playing, it'll just hurt like hell.  Either way, we'll want him to have the surgery at the end of the season and rehab over the summer."   

 

Seems a bit more likely to me.  

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This is weird.  I also can't see the Flyers' sponsored opinion being the guy that risks things for an iffy OHL championship run.  You'd think our doctors would be more conservative and cautious in their assessment.

 

Still, the idea that a guy can go from "You're done for the year" to "Go back and play tomorrow" overnight is kind of terrifying.  Especially as he's had problems with this shoulder before.  

 

Alternatively, I'll theorize that what the Dr. MAY have said was more like, "He can't screw it up worse by playing, it'll just hurt like hell.  Either way, we'll want him to have the surgery at the end of the season and rehab over the summer."   

 

Seems a bit more likely to me.  

 

Yeah, that's what had me wondering. He's still gonna need surgery right?

 

I mean the docs are all looking at the same MRI (or MRIs) right? Or he had a second MRI done, after, showed something different? As you said, how do you go from major surgery, 6-8 months recovery/rehab to playing tomorrow?

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4 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

Yeah, that's what had me wondering. He's still gonna need surgery right?

 

I mean the docs are all looking at the same MRI (or MRIs) right? Or he had a second MRI done, after, showed something different? As you said, how do you go from major surgery, 6-8 months recovery/rehab to playing tomorrow?


LIkely they had their own MRI done.  

Do we even know that an MRI had been done the first time?  What do we know?  Little.

 

Maybe the first dr. was a Sault St. Marie fan?  

 

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