AndyS Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Am I the only one who finds it laughable that the Caps are crying about the Flyers playing a little too rough/dirty? Seems like every other shift I see some Caps player taking liberties, throwing dirty hits, etc. Wilson is the worst, but he's not the only one. I am starting to hate the Caps more and more now. And judging by their reactions toward the end of game #5, I'd say it's starting to get into their heads now. The choke is strong with this one (the Caps). I think they feel this series starting to slip away. Win game #6 at home, and then Coots makes like Walt Frazier (sorry for the NY reference) and comes back for game #7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 **** them if they had a spine, they'd be done by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 chimera's hit on voracek needs to be looked at by the league. the caps have taken their fair share of liberties with our skill guys, in this series. so really they need to shut up and play hockey. they have 14 and 10 on their team those guys have won, and need to take control of the that locker-room to close the series out, let's see if they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: chimera's hit on voracek needs to be looked at by the league. the caps have taken their fair share of liberties with our skill guys, in this series. so really they need to shut up and play hockey. they have 14 and 10 on their team those guys have won, and need to take control of the that locker-room to close the series out, let's see if they do it. Agreed. Cheap shots by the Caps players have abounded in this series. What I wouldn't give to see Schenn or someone absolutely freight train Ovechkin or Chimera in game #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 46 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: chimera's hit on voracek needs to be looked at by the league. maybe. but i'll tell you this: schenn's crosscheck to the side of kuznetsov's knee in game 4 ranks on my list of dirtiest plays i've seen. he had all of kuznetsov's backside to target, looked him up and down, and then bent down to hit the side of the knee. there was no reason to do that other than trying to knock kuznetsov out of the game, probably the series, maybe the playoffs, and possibly professional hockey. you don't sting someone's knee, you snap it. because he did not, in fact, manage to tear every ligament in kuznetsov's knee, there was no no review of it. it's one of those really weak spots in the league's approach to things that if no damage was done and no real attention was called to the thing in the moment, it just goes away....but watching schenn evaluate how he was going to strike kuznetsov, and then settle on the outside of the guy's knee, that turned my stomach. i'll have a hard time getting too upset with things like the hit on voracek, which was illegal and not at all cool but at least *resembled* a hockey play, so long as schenn did no time -in-game or otherwise- for a thing that really couldn't have had any purpose other than knocking kuznetsov out of hockey for a while. maybe permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 That was a dirty play, but it was to the back of his knee, not the side. The worst it would do is make him fall down/lose his balance. It looked far worse than it actually was, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, AndyS said: That was a dirty play, but it was to the back of his knee, not the side. The worst it would do is make him fall down/lose his balance. It looked far worse than it actually was, IMO. take another look, full screen the twitter video thing (that has the play in slow motion) in the link below, and watch the direction kuznetsov's leg buckles compared to his skate blade. it goes perpendicular to the blade, which means the impact pushed the knee sideways, not forward like it would it contact were made to the back of the knee. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/04/21/capitals-take-issue-with-brayden-schenns-cross-check-on-evgeny-kuznetsov/ or this screenshot, where we can see schenn's gloves in front and behind kuznetsov's leg, which schenn is standing next to, his face against kuznetsov's hip. and again, note the direction of the skate blade relative to schenn's stick/gloves i don't want to get into a big thing about it, you see as you see it. for me, that is ulf samuelsson levels of disgusting and inexcusable. the actual definition of "intent to injure". that play was more likely to end a career than ulf's knee-on-knee adventures. schenn got real lucky. kuznetsov got luckier. the hit on voracek was small potatoes next to that, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamflyers Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 This all started in game 1 with Orpik targeting Cousins multiple times. One of those hits was high and he left his feet (See pic). Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I felt no sympathy for Orpik when he went down. The Caps manhandled the Flyers in that game and took a lot of liberties because they knew the Flyers could not score on the PP. Let's also not forget Wilson's hit from behind on A. McDonald. I don't recall the Flyers or Hak whining about it, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that. I know I was much more upset with the Flyers for letting themselves get pushed around. More hard hits in the next game as well. Flyers actually started to push back when they came home and that's when all the Caps instantly started whining and Trotz seems to be the grand marshal of that parade! EVERY time the Caps get a penalty, even when it was so obvious, Trotz can be seen chirping at the refs. The Caps are the typical "can dish, but can't take" bunch. They remind me of my 2 and 5 year old kids! Schenn's hit was horrible and I have no issue with the Caps being upset about it and even making Schenn answer for it, but anything beyond that is ridiculous for them to be whining about, because it's been a hard hitting series with questionable hits by both teams. They are just as guilty of these infractions. The hit that really deserved league attention from last night was the hit on C McDonald. That was called as a major penalty in the regular season. Johansson was very fortunate that he only got 2 minutes for that one. The Caps need to stop whining and get their heads straight if they plan on finishing this series off. For our sake, I hope they continue to act this way, because right now, the Flyers are living rent free in their collective heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, aziz said: schenn's crosscheck to the side of kuznetsov's knee in game 4 ranks on my list of dirtiest plays i've seen Agreed. The only "but" I would add is we don't know how hard BSchenn hit him, how much force he applied. It appears to be a pretty good whack but Kuznetsov's reaction tells me it wasn't much. He doesn't go down in heap, writhing in pain, he barely even flinches. By no means am I saying that excuses it - it was a very dirty hit. But the result, the damage to Kuznetsov depends on the force BSchenn used. Apparently not much. BSchenn must've realized he was targeting an extremely vulnerable area. Maybe he only wanted to get his attention - like, "Look motherfkr keep it up and next time I'll take you out for good." Or maybe like you said BSchenn just got lucky. I guess we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Looks like Embellishment to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 It's possible that Schenn just misses. That he intends to hit him on the hips. That downward cross check to the hips is common, in part because it's rarely called. I'm just saying, it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 yeah i thought of that too Podes but the way he bends down makes me think he knew exactly what he was doing. For me this is one of the (few) times the league got it right by looking at the result = no damage - and figured "no harm no foul." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjellShocked Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Enough with the CSI analysis people. How many times have we complained when we felt a Flyer was unfairly penalized or suspended because what seemed like a "not so bad" hit resulted in an injury. Now we are doing the same to absolve Schenn? It was a dirty hit that he got away with. That's all that needs to be said about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamflyers Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, KjellShocked said: Enough with the CSI analysis people. How many times have we complained when we felt a Flyer was unfairly penalized or suspended because what seemed like a "not so bad" hit resulted in an injury. Now we are doing the same to absolve Schenn? It was a dirty hit that he got away with. That's all that needs to be said about it. Schenn admitted as much. Caps made him answer for it, though they probably didn't like his answer too much Flyers need to continue to hit the Caps hard, since it is obviously throwing them off, but they have very little room for error since they can;t seem to get more than 1 past Holtby per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, aziz said: maybe. but i'll tell you this: schenn's crosscheck to the side of kuznetsov's knee in game 4 ranks on my list of dirtiest plays i've seen. he had all of kuznetsov's backside to target, looked him up and down, and then bent down to hit the side of the knee. there was no reason to do that other than trying to knock kuznetsov out of the game, probably the series, maybe the playoffs, and possibly professional hockey. you don't sting someone's knee, you snap it. because he did not, in fact, manage to tear every ligament in kuznetsov's knee, there was no no review of it. it's one of those really weak spots in the league's approach to things that if no damage was done and no real attention was called to the thing in the moment, it just goes away....but watching schenn evaluate how he was going to strike kuznetsov, and then settle on the outside of the guy's knee, that turned my stomach. i'll have a hard time getting too upset with things like the hit on voracek, which was illegal and not at all cool but at least *resembled* a hockey play, so long as schenn did no time -in-game or otherwise- for a thing that really couldn't have had any purpose other than knocking kuznetsov out of hockey for a while. maybe permanently. You might like this absolutely filthy slash by Taylor Hall on Zbynek Michalek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjellShocked Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Adamflyers said: Schenn admitted as much. Caps made him answer for it, though they probably didn't like his answer too much Flyers need to continue to hit the Caps hard, since it is obviously throwing them off, but they have very little room for error since they can;t seem to get more than 1 past Holtby per game. They need to do a lot better than 44-11 or whatever it was. I don't think we win another game like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Is it me or it seems like the Caps specifically Ovenchicken loves to take runs and check guys kind of high near the team benches...sure i guess it's not illegal but man with half a board there around waist high it sure is easy to hurt someone. Which is exactly what they are trying to do. I just think they need to ease up on that a little before someone gets hurt seriusly Draper style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, KjellShocked said: They need to do a lot better than 44-11 or whatever it was. I don't think we win another game like that. True. It's essentially luck when you never have the puck yet win the game. But, that's hockey sometimes. There's more luck than any other major sport played in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, canoli said: Agreed. The only "but" I would add is we don't know how hard BSchenn hit him, how much force he applied. It appears to be a pretty good whack but Kuznetsov's reaction tells me it wasn't much. He doesn't go down in heap, writhing in pain, he barely even flinches. By no means am I saying that excuses it - it was a very dirty hit. But the result, the damage to Kuznetsov depends on the force BSchenn used. Apparently not much. BSchenn must've realized he was targeting an extremely vulnerable area. Maybe he only wanted to get his attention - like, "Look motherfkr keep it up and next time I'll take you out for good." Or maybe like you said BSchenn just got lucky. I guess we'll never know. good points. looking at it, i think kuznetsov shifts his weight to his left skate just before contact, so his right skate is able to move a few inches with the blow...and i don't like thinking about what would have happened were his weight on that skate and it wasn't able to move. 'cause then it's his knee moving a few inches, and: ouch. you could be right, though, he could have been kind of threatening a real shot next time. kinda think he'd have gotten in kuznetsov's face after, to drive the point home, rather than look away and drift behind streit, but...really is impossible to know. scary stuff, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, JR Ewing said: You might like this absolutely filthy slash by Taylor Hall on Zbynek Michalek: yeah, that's no good, either. hard to understand how not one of the four officials saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, aziz said: yeah, that's no good, either. hard to understand how not one of the four officials saw it. Because NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 hours ago, AndyS said: Win game #6 at home, and then Coots makes like Walt Frazier Oops, I mean Willis Reed (sorry for the NY reference) and comes back for game #7! You all knew what I meant, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, JR Ewing said: You might like this absolutely filthy slash by Taylor Hall on Zbynek Michalek: How in the world did no one from the 'Yotes pound Hall into oblivion for that?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, AndyS said: You all knew what I meant, right? I hope it's Reed and not an Eric Lindros comeback up 3 games to one on the Devils to get KOd and lose..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, AndyS said: How in the world did no one from the 'Yotes pound Hall into oblivion for that?!? I was waiting for the response, too, but it never came. Martin Hanzal knocked him down, but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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