It's time...

[OccamsRazor]

 

 

...i'm not advocating for firing the head coach. I just don't think he can change this team by himself.

 

But it is time to change this coaching staff.

 

Mullen has been coaching the power play since i believe 2007. It is flailing now and has been inconsistent for awhile now. I think it is time to show him the door. I wonder if Briere would be a great replacement. Dude was money on the PP. If not him i'm not sure who right now but Mullen needs to go.

 

I mean i have never seen the Flyers struggle on the 5 on 3 like this year. Have they scored on the 5 on 3 this year? I don't remember it. And they have given up an ungodly amount of shorties this year. So change it now.

 

Gord Murphy has been with the Flyers since 2014. I have not seen any growth really with this blueline. He has had to work with a fair share of scrubs sure.

 

But my main concern is with Ghost and Ivan.

 

I haven't seen him get Ghost to improve a whole lot and even though Ivan is the best Dman on the team i think that s due to the fact that well Ivan is making on his own just because the kid is pretty damn sharp.

 

Gord hasn't done much with Del Zotto or even Streit for that matter either.

 

So i can't see him helping Morin, Sanheim or Hagg grow when they arrive. So this offseason put his arse out the door.

 

I'd love for them to hire Kimmo to coach the kids can't think of a better guy right now to do that. Plus he is already living in Philly i think he'll get the most out of the talent the Flyers will be getting on the blueline.

 

And lastly we have Lappy. I have to say i may let him stay on for one more year to see if the team with Mullen and Murphy gone is enough. Then if not look at addressing his departure to then maybe.

 

But that would be a start to shaking this team up. The plus from this all is it would give the current Captain two guys who help nurture him whom he played with and probably could lean on them and still a lot from. Giroux i think could be relieved a lot to have guys he played with to come to for advice.

One thing is for sure this coaching staff can not remain the same no way. A shake is needed bad. Any ways my 2 cents please feel free to share yours.

[CoachX]

Could it be possible, and I realize its an "out there" concept, that the Flyers should stop hiring ex-flyers to coach, manage and scout their team?

 

I think some famous guy said something about the definition of insanity is marrying the same woman twice...... oh wait, I got my wires crossed there........ insanity is doing the same thing over an over again while expecting a different result.

 

That said, does the fact that i am getting married for the fourth time making me INSANE?

[OccamsRazor]

5 minutes ago, CoachX said:

 

Could it be possible, and I realize its an "out there" concept, that the Flyers should stop hiring ex-flyers to coach, manage and scout their team?

 

 

No i think that is irrelevant.

 

Pens just won the Cup with X-players. Tocchet, Gonchar and Recchi. You just have to pick the right ones and have a good mix.

[CoachX]

I totally agree with your point. But just follow a little history and family tree and you will see the Flyers are notorious for hiring their ex-players to all kinds of important team positions, and if the cup is the measuring stick, they all failed

 

Since 1994 all their GM's have been ex-flyer players. Since 2000 3 of 6 have been head coach (none with NHL head coach experience). And I think when you get fried or removed as GM, by default you get made VP or Senior VP.

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

I'd like to see Hakstol have his own people in place. The only person from the staff I'm keeping is Kim Dillabagh, the goaltending coach, and Brady Robinson, the goaltending development coach.

 

Hakstol inherited the assistant staff in place and I'm sure like the rest of us, he's seen a great drop in the performance of the players. I think when all is said and done this off season, Hextall and Hakstol are going to purge the staff. I'm not sure who to bring in, but I'd like to see someone who can really coach defense, someone who's a special teams ace and someone who can fix the offense. Tall orders for certain. One of the coaches would need to be veteran though. Personally, I'd like to see a guy like Guy Carbonneau come on board or Ken Hitchcock, especially if Hitch is in charge of the defense. I know that there are some who believe that Hitch would impair the young players, but he's shown in the past that he has no problems using young defensemen and playing them a lot. 

 

I think having a veteran presence can also help Hakstol in that he can lean on them on a bit when he isn't sure of something and they can help with match ups and the likes. So, I hope that's the direction the Flyers go in.

[CoachX]

I think they should hire Mike York to coach speed and conditioning

[OccamsRazor]

2 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I'd like to see Hakstol have his own people in place. The only person from the staff I'm keeping is Kim Dillabagh, the goaltending coach, and Brady Robinson, the goaltending development coach.

 

Hakstol inherited the assistant staff in place and I'm sure like the rest of us, he's seen a great drop in the performance of the players. I think when all is said and done this off season, Hextall and Hakstol are going to purge the staff. I'm not sure who to bring in, but I'd like to see someone who can really coach defense, someone who's a special teams ace and someone who can fix the offense. Tall orders for certain. One of the coaches would need to be veteran though. Personally, I'd like to see a guy like Guy Carbonneau come on board or Ken Hitchcock, especially if Hitch is in charge of the defense. I know that there are some who believe that Hitch would impair the young players, but he's shown in the past that he has no problems using young defensemen and playing them a lot. 

 

I think having a veteran presence can also help Hakstol in that he can lean on them on a bit when he isn't sure of something and they can help with match ups and the likes. So, I hope that's the direction the Flyers go in.

 

 

I'd be fine totally with Hak picking his guys...since he will be getting blame for all that doesn't go right at least give him a chance to pick his guys.

 

Regardless the staff must change.

[brelic]

13 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

I'd be fine totally with Hak picking his guys...since he will be getting blame for all that doesn't go right at least give him a chance to pick his guys.

 

Regardless the staff must change.

 

I agree. 

 

I suspect part of the reason the rest of the coaching staff was kept in place was for a bit of continuity during the transition to Hakstol, and also to provide him with NHL guidance since he made the jump from college.

 

It's time to take off the training wheels. 

 

 

[flyercanuck]

17 hours ago, CoachX said:

Could it be possible, and I realize its an "out there" concept, that the Flyers should stop hiring ex-flyers to coach, manage and scout their team?

 

I think some famous guy said something about the definition of insanity is marrying the same woman twice...... oh wait, I got my wires crossed there........ insanity is doing the same thing over an over again while expecting a different result.

 

That said, does the fact that i am getting married for the fourth time making me INSANE?

 

Yes.

 

And yes.

[murraycraven]

I agree.... I would like to give Hak his chance but the rest of the staff can go...   Frankly, I think Hextall needs to do something at the end of the year.   Am I confident Hak is going to be the answer?  Absolutely not but Hextall made a 5 year commitment to him so I dont see him going anywhere soon.   

[Lindbergh31]

3 hours ago, murraycraven said:

I agree.... I would like to give Hak his chance but the rest of the staff can go...   Frankly, I think Hextall needs to do something at the end of the year.   Am I confident Hak is going to be the answer?  Absolutely not but Hextall made a 5 year commitment to him so I dont see him going anywhere soon.   

Most Flyers fans thought this year's team would be a fringe playoff team fighting for 8th. I'd like to see them go on a losing streak and end up in the bottom three of the league to get a high draft pick. I really don't want them finishing 8th just to get their asses handed to them by Washington.

[murraycraven]

2 minutes ago, Lindbergh31 said:

Most Flyers fans thought this year's team would be a fringe playoff team fighting for 8th. I'd like to see them go on a losing streak and end up in the bottom three of the league to get a high draft pick. I really don't want them finishing 8th just to get their asses handed to them by Washington.

 

 

agree 100%....  I never thought they were a playoff team to begin with.   

[OccamsRazor]

39 minutes ago, Lindbergh31 said:

Most Flyers fans thought this year's team would be a fringe playoff team fighting for 8th. I'd like to see them go on a losing streak and end up in the bottom three of the league to get a high draft pick. I really don't want them finishing 8th just to get their asses handed to them by Washington.

 

Honestly i don't think it matters what we want at the end of the day this is a dysfunctional group that needs retooling some and some new guidance.

 

It is why it is time to show the assistants the door.

 

To easy to blame Hak right now. He needs his guys. 

 

As someone has stated i think it was MC that the current staff was in place to help Hak become use to the way it is done sort of in the NHL. 

 

Kind of like how Chase Daniels was brought in the help ease Wentz into a QB role in the NFL.

 

But just like today it as seemed to have run it's course Daniels was released because his time was up helping Wentz.

 

Just like it is time for Mullen, Murphy and maybe to Lappy to say buh bye.

 

Let Hak get his guys underneath him.

[Lindbergh31]

1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Honestly i don't think it matters what we want at the end of the day this is a dysfunctional group that needs retooling some and some new guidance.

 

It is why it is time to show the assistants the door.

 

To easy to blame Hak right now. He needs his guys. 

 

As someone has stated i think it was MC that the current staff was in place to help Hak become use to the way it is done sort of in the NHL. 

 

Kind of like how Chase Daniels was brought in the help ease Wentz into a QB role in the NFL.

 

But just like today it as seemed to have run it's course Daniels was released because his time was up helping Wentz.

 

Just like it is time for Mullen, Murphy and maybe to Lappy to say buh bye.

 

Let Hak get his guys underneath him.

Agreed, it's time to let Hak run his coaching staff the way he wants and get the people he wants in which I think Hextall will do.

[OccamsRazor]

On 3/13/2017 at 7:51 AM, brelic said:

I agree. 

 

Just to piggyback on what i've already said look no further than last night's effort...

 

1 for 8 on the PP.....that is just terrible...

 

....time to change that guy who runs it...Joey Mullen thank you for your time spent in Philly but it is time to try someone else you ain't getting through to these guys!

 

Meanwhile the Jackets only got two chances yet scored as many as the Flyers.

 

On most nights those squandered chances could be the difference from wins and losses.

 

It's one thing to struggle 5 on 5 but to have an extra man or in the Flyer's case even worse to have a 5 on 3 and they can't score that is down right embarrassing....and must change.

 

Hell i wouldn't even wait till the end of the season i'd do it now and see if someone for the interm could do better hell even the equipment guy can maybe do better!

[CoachX]

On 3/13/2017 at 6:21 AM, flyercanuck said:

 

Yes.

 

And yes.

Thanks for your support...lol

 

I love honesty

[activestick]

What Hakstol needs is some talented players.  Problem solved.

[King Knut]

On 3/12/2017 at 2:01 PM, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

...i'm not advocating for firing the head coach. I just don't think he can change this team by himself.

 

But it is time to change this coaching staff.

 

Mullen has been coaching the power play since i believe 2007. It is flailing now and has been inconsistent for awhile now. I think it is time to show him the door. I wonder if Briere would be a great replacement. Dude was money on the PP. If not him i'm not sure who right now but Mullen needs to go.

 

I mean i have never seen the Flyers struggle on the 5 on 3 like this year. Have they scored on the 5 on 3 this year? I don't remember it. And they have given up an ungodly amount of shorties this year. So change it now.

 

Gord Murphy has been with the Flyers since 2014. I have not seen any growth really with this blueline. He has had to work with a fair share of scrubs sure.

 

But my main concern is with Ghost and Ivan.

 

I haven't seen him get Ghost to improve a whole lot and even though Ivan is the best Dman on the team i think that s due to the fact that well Ivan is making on his own just because the kid is pretty damn sharp.

 

Gord hasn't done much with Del Zotto or even Streit for that matter either.

 

So i can't see him helping Morin, Sanheim or Hagg grow when they arrive. So this offseason put his arse out the door.

 

I'd love for them to hire Kimmo to coach the kids can't think of a better guy right now to do that. Plus he is already living in Philly i think he'll get the most out of the talent the Flyers will be getting on the blueline.

 

And lastly we have Lappy. I have to say i may let him stay on for one more year to see if the team with Mullen and Murphy gone is enough. Then if not look at addressing his departure to then maybe.

 

But that would be a start to shaking this team up. The plus from this all is it would give the current Captain two guys who help nurture him whom he played with and probably could lean on them and still a lot from. Giroux i think could be relieved a lot to have guys he played with to come to for advice.

One thing is for sure this coaching staff can not remain the same no way. A shake is needed bad. Any ways my 2 cents please feel free to share yours.

 

Yeah I don't disagree.  

I love the idea of using guys like Briere and Timmonen just because they were such warriors and great players.  But being a great player doesn't necessarily make for a great coach.

 

Maybe they would be good.  I don't know.  That's all I'm saying. I have absolutely no idea if they'd be good coaches.

And the former player as a coach thing for this team is a little dried up as far as I'm concerned. Certainly the best head coaches for this team over the past... well forever have been non-former flyers.  I can't remember the PP and D and assts over the years. (yes I know Mullen wasn't a Flyer, but still). 

But in essence I agree with you.  Hakstol came in but the Lappy/Berube staff basically stayed.   Not sure they'll be changing things though.  They seem more loyal to those guys than to the head coach.

 

But I think changes may be in order.

 

IMHO Hextall's biggest mistake in his tenure so far was allowing the rift between Reese and the team's management get so vast.

 

Jeff was right in that instance.  Berube was being reckless with Mason.  Mason clearly hasn't been the same since he left.  

 

 I really hate this knee jerk fire the guy who says stuff out loud tecnique.  This team needed Mason to be good and if Mason needed Reese to be good, then what the hell's wrong with that?  It's the keeper coach's job in part to tell the head coach when a guy needs a rest.  Berube was putting Mason's well being and therefore the long term well being of the team at risk in overplaying a still recovering Mason who said he didn't feel 100%.  

 

Anyway, Hextall gave Jake too much money and let Reese walk in a justified huff.  Bad moves.  

 

 

[King Knut]

On 3/13/2017 at 3:15 PM, Lindbergh31 said:

Agreed, it's time to let Hak run his coaching staff the way he wants and get the people he wants in which I think Hextall will do.

 

Does Hak know who he wants though?  

Short of bringing up his NCAA staff, how familiar is Hakstol with the 2ndary coaching talent in and around the NHL?  He doesn't know anyone?  He never played here, he never coached anywhere else or in the AHL.  

 

I assumed this is why Lappy, Mullen and Murphy were kept in town.  Who the hell was going to replace them?

 

Who are Hakstol's guys?  

[King Knut]

On 3/13/2017 at 1:01 PM, murraycraven said:

 

 

agree 100%....  I never thought they were a playoff team to begin with.   

 

This year's draft class is not lighting any fires in the hearts of scouts or the media.   As is the Flyers luck, some teams suck and get Malkin at #2 or LaFrontaine at #3 overall... some get JVR and Ricci (Although granted Ricci was key to Colorado's cups, but you know what I'm saying).

[brelic]

51 minutes ago, King Knut said:

 

This year's draft class is not lighting any fires in the hearts of scouts or the media.   As is the Flyers luck, some teams suck and get Malkin at #2 or LaFrontaine at #3 overall... some get JVR and Ricci (Although granted Ricci was key to Colorado's cups, but you know what I'm saying).

 

Haha, well to be fair we could have had Jagr. But we chose Ricci. 

 

But, hey, it did get us Lindros. Still, he's no Jagr.

 

[King Knut]

40 minutes ago, brelic said:

 

Haha, well to be fair we could have had Jagr. But we chose Ricci. 

 

But, hey, it did get us Lindros. Still, he's no Jagr.

 

 

Could you imagine... IMAGINE if they traded Jagr AND Forsberg to get Lindros?

 

Side note.... what a draft class '90 was!

 

Nolan, Nedved, Primeau, Ricci, Jagr, Sydor, Hatcher Tkachuk and Brodeur at 19 and 20!  Felix Potvin and Doug Weight in the 2nd round...

[flyercanuck]

35 minutes ago, brelic said:

 

Haha, well to be fair we could have had Jagr. But we chose Ricci. 

 

But, hey, it did get us Lindros. Still, he's no Jagr.

 

 

Ricci likely would have gone 1st overall if he'd been old enough the year before his draft. And I'm not even joking.

[brelic]

7 minutes ago, King Knut said:

 

Could you imagine... IMAGINE if they traded Jagr AND Forsberg to get Lindros?

Sounds like something the Flyers of old would do!

 

Who was that anyway? Farwell?

[King Knut]

7 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Ricci likely would have gone 1st overall if he'd been old enough the year before his draft. And I'm not even joking.

 

Joking or not joking aside, Ricci was the kind of guy who wins you cups.  I firmly believe he made Sakic a better all around player.  Too bad Sakic couldn't return the favor with Mike's scoring