King Knut Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 i truly couldn't imagine how the s season could get any worse, then last night happened. How ow terrible do you have to be to get obliterated by one of the only teams worse than the Flyers and literally have your goalie juked so badly he has a season ending injury? ince again, if Hakstol had half a damn brain he'd know that Mason has NEVER beaten the Devils. Why was the second of a back to back the night to try to get him to break that streak? seriously, what the hell is wrong with this team and what the hell is wrong with this coach? My mind is just blown by how terrible that was. No one in that team or behind that bench deserved to be in the NHL last night.
murraycraven Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, King Knut said: ince again, if Hakstol had half a damn brain he'd know that Mason has NEVER beaten the Devils. Why was the second of a back to back the night to try to get him to break that streak? In all fairness he benched Mason against the Leafs after a number of good starts b/c Neuvy had a good record against them.... how did that work out? They are simply not that good. The Coach seems to be outclassed in more games than not and they are in dire need of talent. Not sure how many times they lose that people need to be "surprised." They are what they are.... a Team looking from the outside to make the playoffs. The dont have the roster to make the playoffs.... Fore!!
Bertmega Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 Yeah that game was no way on Mason. The Devils were in the Flyers zone for literally 45 of the 60 minutes and I would say another 14 minutes made up the transitions from the neutral zone to the attack. The Flyers looked embarrassingly bad yesterday, but should it come to anyone's surprise that this is not a playoff caliber team? Hextall has a lot of thinking to do this off season. If this is still a building process then it may be time to let some of these building blocks sniff the NHL in the last 11 games. And to me, and this is truly painful to type, the defense is actually more stable than this terrible offense.
King Knut Posted March 17, 2017 Author Posted March 17, 2017 Absolutely yes yes they are not that good. Totally agreeed. But Surely you see the difference between getting edged by the capitals "not good" or even Edged by the leafs and completely collapsing and getting utterly demolished by the friggin' Devils and having your goalie's season end literally because he got deeked so bad he pulled something on a breakaway that was itself a complete mental eff up? This was a psychological collapse. Not skill level. They are not a good team, they are not a skilled team. But they are more skilled and better than the damn devils. But they don't just get beaten by the devils. They get destroyed. Saying "they're just not good" isn't an explanation. I don't buy it. They're not that good, but they're way better than last night. Most of the AHL is way better than last night. They are a mentally weak and pathetic team. I believe they are skilled enough to be easily in the playoffs. Not good enough to compete there. But easily better than the islanders or maple leafs. But it they are tragically mentally unfit as a team and Hakstol isn't helping. He's only making things worse. But it what do you do? Fire the coach again? That won't change it. Dump the core again? Who'd take them and how well did that work out last time? They went from the cup finals to missing the playoffs 3 of 6 years. They are in a bad way and need some big time help. I have no idea what it will take but it's not present now anywhere.
murraycraven Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 56 minutes ago, Bertmega said: And to me, and this is truly painful to type, the defense is actually more stable than this terrible offense. and that is why I have always been hesitant to be such a Hextall-faithful. I think he has done some decent things but I also think he has made some questionable moves. I understand building from the back out but you need to score goals in this league. And we haven't been able to do that for some time now. Right now we don't know who the goalie is for next year. No idea how the defense is going to shape up, b/c if anything, Hextall will be overly patient. And then we have the anemic offense built around a core group of players that can't score 5v5 and over-rely on the PP. Then we have a Coach that is still is very much questionable. Bad lineup decisions, in-game coaching is suspect and seems to really incite more questions rather than to appear competent. The Coach needs more "jam" and this is why I referred to him as J. Stevens, Pt. Deux. There are games this Team just doesn't seem interested in playing. I will still go back to talent. If Hextall can find a way to get more talent up front I think things will start to turn. Right now we are undersized and under-skilled at the forward position. Too many passers and too many average players...
Bertmega Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, murraycraven said: I will still go back to talent. If Hextall can find a way to get more talent up front I think things will start to turn. Right now we are undersized and under-skilled at the forward position. Too many passers and too many average players... I used to be a Voracek guy, but the dude needs to go.
murraycraven Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Bertmega said: I used to be a Voracek guy, but the dude needs to go. I like Jake -- at a fair contract. Hextall overpaid him in a year when he was coming off a career year. And, here is the kicker, he never needed to sign him that year. He is a nice player but he is not a franchise player - plain and simple. Yet, he is being paid like one....
Bertmega Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, murraycraven said: I like Jake -- at a fair contract. Hextall overpaid him in a year when he was coming off a career year. And, here is the kicker, he never needed to sign him that year. He is a nice player but he is not a franchise player - plain and simple. Yet, he is being paid like one.... I just think he either needs a supporting cast or needs to adjust his game to shoot first.
murraycraven Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bertmega said: I just think he either needs a supporting cast or needs to adjust his game to shoot first. we need someone w/ a shoot-first mentality for sure.... for all the Homer-bashing and Snider-bashing we give at least you know either one of them would have been in the locker room giving them crap.
King Knut Posted March 17, 2017 Author Posted March 17, 2017 Essentially there's a LOT of pressure on Lindblom. I believe Mason or Bishop will be the goalie next year. I'm feeling fairly certain something's in place but because of the Vegas draft it doesn't make sense to do it now. Most likely Mason, but with Bishop being a rental in the Flyers West camp right now I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. I like what Hextall's done for the most part. Most part. Jake's contract was clearly too big. As much as umberger just sucked, the Hartnell deal is helping them quite a bit because they essentially stopped paying either of them 3 years early. That was huge for this year's cap relief. I cant blame him for Weise because I have no explanation for how bad he's been. He should have been better. But when we complain about skill, what could he have done exactly? I guess he could have traded Jake instead of signing him but How could he have known Voracek's 93 points was a fluke? He's still the most productive offensive player. Sadly when it comes to scoring, he IS the franchise player. By hextall's gotten them into a position where they're just about clear of their really bad deals 3 years ahead of schedule. That's kind of amazing. I know there's still MacDonald, but that was a Herculean task and Mac did become a solid player again over the course of this year. We don't like admitting it and he'll never earn his keep but he's solid again and not an absokutel liability or in the AHL If hextall can trade Giroux or Jake in the off season then make a strong move on Taveres next July, then i think there's hope. the other solution in the foreseeable future is to trade one of the kids for someone good or soon to be good. No no one wants to do this until we know which are going to work out, but the fact of the matter is no one's going to trade someone good for someone "meh" but they might trade for someone who's a "could be"
radoran Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 5 hours ago, King Knut said: i truly couldn't imagine how the s season could get any worse, then last night happened. How ow terrible do you have to be to get obliterated by one of the only teams worse than the Flyers and literally have your goalie juked so badly he has a season ending injury? ince again, if Hakstol had half a damn brain he'd know that Mason has NEVER beaten the Devils. Why was the second of a back to back the night to try to get him to break that streak? seriously, what the hell is wrong with this team and what the hell is wrong with this coach? My mind is just blown by how terrible that was. No one in that team or behind that bench deserved to be in the NHL last night. I will never understand playing a goalie in a B2B situation during the regular season. Doubly so when you're not playing the only goalie you actually have re-signed for next season. The "hot hand" theory only goes so far.
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 I think everyone needs to hold off on moving Giroux right now. Ryan Getzlaf had the exact same surgery that Claude had and it took Getzlaf almost a year to get his wheels back. Don't forget that Giroux had the hip and sports hernia done at the same time and it was going to take some time to recover. I remember when Braydon Coburn had his done one off season and it took him nearly a full season to recover. Giroux is just starting to get that extra step back in his game, so there's light at the end of the tunnel there. As someone who has had their hip labrum surgically repaired, this whole notion that athletes are better in 3 months is ludicrous. 3 months you're just getting your full range of motion back and then you've got to work the leg and hip back into shape again. It takes time to strengthen that and that's where Giroux is right now. You could see throughout most of the year he wasn't getting the jump he normally gets and he was wincing when he was getting that initial jump. I expect that next season, he's back in the 80 to 85 point range. If Hextall can get out from the Voracek contract, that would be ideal. Vorafat is the new Hartnell in that he doesn't show up to camp in shape. This upcoming year is a HUGE year for him. He doesn't get his game on track and he's got to go. It might mean taking pennies on the dollar too, but he's got to go if he can't rebound.
Jam1986 Posted March 17, 2017 Posted March 17, 2017 Hockey rumors say G and Ghost have been hurt all year. It not he is hurt need to trade his contract and Jake's contract. They are not worth it and we are 2yrs out to cup challenge. I have been lucky to see them win two Cups and get there a few more times. I root for the team not the players! Even though Clarke era guys on that team and many more players I enjoy. The thing if you trade the whole team and new guys who come in win the cup would be awesome. So just play or watch for the crest it doesn't really who is playing just win!
vis Posted March 18, 2017 Posted March 18, 2017 Game isn't on Mason or Hakstol's decision to use him in a B2B. Plenty of goalies around the league get B2B starts. Players just didn't come to play. They were satisfied with themselves for beating the Penguins. There was no way they were getting up for a game against the Devs (who never seem to have a problem getting up for the Flyers). Unless some of the Phantoms guys start getting a look, I probably won't spend a lot of time watching this team. There are games every night that have playoff implications. Rather watch two other teams actually playing for something than a listless effort from this moribund bunch.
OH1FlyersFan Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 I like how Filppula has played. I think he's made a difference, even though his numbers aren't off the charts, and has had a positive impact -- if not on the team as a whole, then certainly on his line - or the guys he's been put with. His passing has been smart and he seems to be pretty stable when he's on the ice -- like I'm not always holding my breath wondering what impending disaster approaches like I do with about half our forwards. He's done well. Not a bad pickup by Hextall. I agree with the overall gist of this thread, though, and the original post by Knut.
King Knut Posted March 20, 2017 Author Posted March 20, 2017 4 hours ago, OH1FlyersFan said: I like how Filppula has played. I think he's made a difference, even though his numbers aren't off the charts, and has had a positive impact -- if not on the team as a whole, then certainly on his line - or the guys he's been put with. His passing has been smart and he seems to be pretty stable when he's on the ice -- like I'm not always holding my breath wondering what impending disaster approaches like I do with about half our forwards. He's done well. Not a bad pickup by Hextall. I agree with the overall gist of this thread, though, and the original post by Knut. I completely agree with all that. I was mostly just mortified at the Devils game. This team needed to show up and put up a fight and the rolled over and pooped the bed... uhh I mean played dead for a far far inferior team. Yes, they may have been tired. But still. That was some ugly stuff when they needed merely competence. I too think filppula will help this team next year. My biggest hope is that Giroux really is turning a corner with this hip thing and that Lindblom is the second coming of JLC (Jesus LeChrist?). Is is that too much to hope for?
King Knut Posted March 20, 2017 Author Posted March 20, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 7:18 AM, vis said: Game isn't on Mason or Hakstol's decision to use him in a B2B. Plenty of goalies around the league get B2B starts. Players just didn't come to play. They were satisfied with themselves for beating the Penguins. There was no way they were getting up for a game against the Devs (who never seem to have a problem getting up for the Flyers). Unless some of the Phantoms guys start getting a look, I probably won't spend a lot of time watching this team. There are games every night that have playoff implications. Rather watch two other teams actually playing for something than a listless effort from this moribund bunch. I don't think Mason's ever beaten the Devils. In fact he usually plays horribly against them. It's not the BTB mess of it it's everything combined that made it make no sense. Why they lost? No. They were wiped out, skopppy and pathetic and the Devils were fresh and pumped to spoil. Still... we don't have to blame it all on one thing. The team could have sucked (and did) while Hakstol playing Mason could still have been idiotic (and was). We can hate it all equally
OccamsRazor Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, King Knut said: I don't think Mason's ever beaten the Devils. Nope. 0-9 and counting........
OccamsRazor Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 That is a good spot for a good prospect. I think the slide continues rough stretch of games coming up.
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