ruxpin Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I don't usually get into these things, but this thread is inspired by the Lehtera #15 thread. I stumbled across this link:https://www.nhl.com/news/hockeys-best-players-by-the-numbers-they-wore/c-536766 It lists the best player, runner up, and "also in the mix" for each number. I don't have a problem with many. It hurts my eyes to see Brian Leetch over Mark Howe at #2, but I get it. #13 How does everyone feel about Matts Sundin over Pavel Datsyuk? I was a fan of the latter, but I'm in the minority that never thought much of Sundin. #16. I'm okay with Brett Hull over Bobby Clarke. Begrudgingly. But I cannot get behind Marcel Dionne as runner up over Clarke. #19 Yzerman over Sakic. I'm okay with this, but I imagine that has to create debate. #28 Steve Duchesne is in the mix? The #28 must suck historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Well, at least Lehtera inspired SOMETHING...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: Well, at least Lehtera inspired SOMETHING...... Ouch. Got admit that was well done, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Quick glance at the list of numbers 0-33, only one really stands out to me as perhaps being erroneous: I'd put Selanne over Ovechkin for the #8 for a couple reasons.... 1--Selanne played a complete career (more than complete in fact) where he continued to be a productive player at a high level (and not just a 'compiler') well beyond his prime years... 2-- AND, I hate to beat a dead Russian horse, but he has that Cup win that has eluded and continues to elude, Ovechkin. I like Cam Neely in the mix, although injuries cut short his career...perhaps he could have been the real 'Great 8' had he been able to play into his late 30's/early 40's. Other comments on other numbers: Yzerman and Sakic are a pick'em for #19, IMO, although, if you factor in their post playing careers, Yzerman is a MUCH better GM than Sakic, if current results are anything to go by. #20-- I suppose Luc Robitaille deserves to be there....I might be biased against him because I saw him play in the mid to late 90's and at that point, he was a still-good, but not great player, and I didn't think of him as anything special. Dino Ciccerelli, on the other hand, continued to be a pestering. agitating, scoring bulldog right down to his retirement.....plus he played a bit for the Lightning, and was very popular when he did, thus my bias towards him over Luc. #25--- I think Andreychuk and Nieuwendyk here are a pick'em also. #29-- Only mentioning this one because it really made me laugh out loud...literally. Ken Dryden and Joel Otto in the same conversation for greatness.........uhh, yea.....pass the pipe.... #32--- I think maybe, perhaps, per chance, I take Claude Lemieux here over Dale Hunter. I know, I know, everyone hates Claude, but talk about a guy who not only played well in the regular season, but seemed to always turn things up a notch or three for the playoffs....and that bag full of Stanley Cups he has don't hurt his cause either.... Going back down to #4, can't argue with Bobby Orr, but, again, biased because I saw him play (and I was always scared for my hometown players whenever they faced him), Scott Stevens is deserving of being "in the mix". That man pretty much personified 90's defensive hockey, shot blocking, freight train hits (with some head shots, yea, they were more ok back then), and just plain ol mean-ness. I'll comment on the other numbers when I get a chance, but the above is my take on what I saw so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: I'd put Selanne over Ovechkin for the #8 for a couple reasons.... 1--Selanne played a complete career (more than complete in fact) where he continued to be a productive player at a high level (and not just a 'compiler') well beyond his prime years... 2-- AND, I hate to beat a dead Russian horse, but he has that Cup win that has eluded and continues to elude, Ovechkin Yeah, I looked several times at that myself. I'm with you on that one. Quote #32--- I think maybe, perhaps, per chance, I take Claude Lemieux here over Dale Hunter. I know, I know, everyone hates Claude, but talk about a guy who not only played well in the regular season, but seemed to always turn things up a notch or three for the playoffs....and that bag full of Stanley Cups he has don't hurt his cause either.... Everyone not a Cap fan hated Hunter, too, but I'd have taken him on my team any day. Lemieux won Cups but I don't know that I'd argue that his teams won because of him. I don't know that I'd argue they'd have won without him, necessarily, either. It may be a pick'em. They both had some skill and both were a PITA to play against. Quote #20-- I suppose Luc Robitaille deserves to be there....I might be biased against him because I saw him play in the mid to late 90's and at that point, he was a still-good, but not great player, and I didn't think of him as anything special. Dino Ciccerelli, on the other hand, continued to be a pestering. agitating, scoring bulldog right down to his retirement.....plus he played a bit for the Lightning, and was very popular when he did, thus my bias towards him over Luc. #25--- I think Andreychuk and Nieuwendyk here are a pick'em also. Robitaille/Ciccerelli made me pause, too. I think Robitaille gets it, largely because I hated Dino. Really close there. Agree on #25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, ruxpin said: I don't usually get into these things, but this thread is inspired by the Lehtera #15 thread. I stumbled across this link:https://www.nhl.com/news/hockeys-best-players-by-the-numbers-they-wore/c-536766 It lists the best player, runner up, and "also in the mix" for each number. I don't have a problem with many. It hurts my eyes to see Brian Leetch over Mark Howe at #2, but I get it. #13 How does everyone feel about Matts Sundin over Pavel Datsyuk? I was a fan of the latter, but I'm in the minority that never thought much of Sundin. #16. I'm okay with Brett Hull over Bobby Clarke. Begrudgingly. But I cannot get behind Marcel Dionne as runner up over Clarke. #19 Yzerman over Sakic. I'm okay with this, but I imagine that has to create debate. #28 Steve Duchesne is in the mix? The #28 must suck historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musky Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Peter Forsberg 21 way better the keon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I have the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 9 hours ago, musky said: Peter Forsberg 21 way better the keon. I really like Forsberg and completely respect the argument for him. I just personally go with Mikita here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 The Scott Morrison book (shown above) was published in 2007, but here were the picks in the book: 00: John Davidson 0: Neil Sheehy 1: Terry Sawchuk 2: Doug Harvey 3: Scott Stevens 4: Bobby Orr 5: Denis Potvin 6: Ace Bailey 7: Howie Morenz 8: Cam Neely 9: Gordie Howe 10: Guy Lafleur 11: Mark Messier 12: Dickie Moore 13: Mats Sundin 14: Dave Keon 15: Milt Schmidt 16: Henri Richard 17: Jari Kurri 18: Denis Savard 19: Steve Yzerman 20: Luc Robitaille tbc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 21: Stan Mikita 22: Mike Bossy 23: Bob Gainey 24: Chris Chelios 25: Jacques Lemaire 26: Peter Stastny 27: Frank Mahovlich 28: Steve Larmer 29: Ken Dryden 30: Martin Brodeur 31: Grant Fuhr 32: Dale Hunter 33: Patrick Roy 34: John Vanbiesbrouck 35: Tony Esposito 36: Glenn Anderson 37: Olie Kolzig 38: Dave Andreychuk 39: Dominik Hasek 40: Henrik Zetterberg tbc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 41: Stu Barnes 42: Sergei Makarov 43: Martin Biron 44: Chris Pronger 45: Brenden Morrow 46: Martin St. Louis 47: Viktor Kozlov 48: Daniel Briere 49: Brian Savage 50: Trevor Letowski 51: Brian Campbell 52: Adam Foote 53: Nikolai Khabibulin 54: Hannu Toivonen 55: Larry Murphy 56: Sergei Zubov 57: Steve Heinze 58: Bill Berg 59: Tom Fitzgerald 60: Jose Theodore tbc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 61: Rick Nash 62: Olli Jokinen 63: Mike Ribeiro 64: Darrin Shannon 65: Mark Napier 66: Mario Lemieux 67: Robert Svehla 68: Jaromir Jagr 69: Mel Angelstad 70: Oleg Tverdovsky 71: Evgeni Malkin 72: Mathieu Schneider 73: Michael Ryder 74: Paul Coffey 75: Hal Gill 76: Dustin Penner 77: Ray Bourque 78: Pavol Demitra 79: Alexei Yashin 80: Nik Antropov tbc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 81: Miroslav Satan 82: Martin Straka 83: Ales Hemsky 84: Guillaume Latendresse 85: Petr Klima 86: Jonathan Ferland 87: Sidney Crosby 88: Eric Lindros 89: Alex Mogilny 90: Joe Juneau 91: Sergei Fedorov 92: Rick Tocchet 93: Doug Gilmour 94: Ryan Smyth 95: Danny Markov 96: Tomas Holmstrom 97: Jeremy Roenick 98: Brian Lawton 99: Wayne Gretzky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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