pilldoc Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/flyers-acquire-goalie-dustin-tokarski-trade-ducks "The Flyers on Monday made a minor-league move, acquiring goalie Dustin Tokarski from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for future considerations. This is a depth move for the Flyers, who have Alex Lyon starting for the Phantoms with Anthony Stolarz on the shelf with the knee injury. Tokarski provides a veteran presence to slot behind Lyon in Lehigh Valley." I'm ok with this as it brings in a veteran goalie with experience to back up Lyon in LV. Wonder how long Stolarz is going to be out? Sadly he may now be the odd mad out as Lyon will make a legit run at being the #1 starter in another year or two. Tokarski certain brings in a winning pedigree. Tokarski led the Spokane Chiefs of the Western Hockey League (WHL) to the 2008 Memorial Cup, Canada's national junior championship, and was named the top goaltender and most valuable player of the tournament. Tokarski then backstopped Team Canada to their fifth consecutive gold medal at the 2009 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships. He was originally drafted by the Tampa Bay Lightning in the fifth round, 122nd overall, at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft. In 2012, he won the American Hockey League (AHL)'s Calder Cup with the Norfolk Admirals, the top minor league affiliate of the Lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, pilldoc said: I'm ok with this as it brings in a veteran goalie with experience to back up Lyon in LV. Wonder how long Stolarz is going to be out? It looks like Stolie could be out awhile. This give Lyon a solid backup....plus if the Flyers need someone in the NHL to ride the bench if one of the goalie goes down they could call him up and leave Lyon down to play. Smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 what a surprise! He was amazing for montreal, stepped in the playoffs when price got hurt. I was puzzled when they traded him after his great play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: It looks like Stolie could be out awhile. This give Lyon a solid backup....plus if the Flyers need someone in the NHL to ride the bench if one of the goalie goes down they could call him up and leave Lyon down to play. Smart move. Yeah ...totally agree. Very smart move on Hexy's part. Sucks to be Stolie. The Flyers have VERY strong prospects just waiting in the wings and he shelved because of an injury. Has to be disappointing for him. I bet future considerations are simply draft picks down the road somewhere....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Leach27 said: what a surprise! He was amazing for montreal, stepped in the playoffs when price got hurt. I was puzzled when they traded him after his great play. I forgot he played in Montreal ....... Like I mentioned above...nice to have some experience down on the farm if need be..... I'm really liking this move by Hexy. Great insurance policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, pilldoc said: Wonder how long Stolarz is going to be out? Sadly he may now be the odd mad out as Lyon will make a legit run at being the #1 starter in another year or two Yeah, I think he missed his window on the Flyers. He may land somewhere else, but I honestly think his ceiling was backup anyway. Lyon will have the year and will be the one to come up when Neuvy burns his hand on the toaster and is out for 6 weeks. If Lyon plays well, Stolarz is done. Because even Lyon's window is short with Hart and Sandstrom coming shortly behind. Really lousy luck for Stolarz, but it seems to me that if the Flyers had been interested in giving Stolarz a shot in the first place, they would either not have signed Elliot or not kept Neuvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 46 minutes ago, pilldoc said: I bet future considerations are simply draft picks down the road somewhere....... The future considerations was the Leland Irving traded back in return. The Flyers couldn't trade him because he was on an AHL only deal. So the Phantoms traded him to Anaheim. This give the Ducks relief of a contract and if they need Irving in emergency all they have to do is sign him to a two way deal. They still have Gibson, Miller and Reto Berra under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 52 minutes ago, Leach27 said: what a surprise! He was amazing for montreal, stepped in the playoffs when price got hurt. I was puzzled when they traded him after his great play. Amazing for 8 games...then meh for the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 welcome to the flyers. home of the 2nd chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Tokarski was pretty highly touted while still in the minors with the Lightning. Somewhere along the way, however, the Bolts soured on him, despite the success he achieved before playing NHL games. It could very have been that Tokarski is the classic case of terrific minor leaguer/fringe NHL'er......however, if some news reports that cropped up shortly before Tokarski was traded to Montreal for basically a career minor leaguer, are to be believed, Tokarski had a bit of an attitude problem, wasn't always fully invested in the team, and just didn't seem to have the drive to be a full time NHL goaltender. Not saying he was guilty of any of that, but I was a fan of his and watching and hoping he would come up and be a starter for the Bolts. This was before Vasilevskiy came into the picture, and obviously that never happened. So he bounces around...Tampa Bay org, Montreal org, Anaheim org, and now Flyers org. If anything, he should make a good minor league regular and maybe he could see duty as a Flyer backup should Elliot need time on IR, as he is oft compelled to need. If earlier reports were true, maybe Tokarski has matured a bit now. Or maybe he discovered something in his game that can actually help the NHL Flyers. Or maybe he is just the same sort of guy, but will do for now. Flyers could have done worse as a minor league / emergency call up signing. Take the Minnesota Wild for instance....they are currently running Alex Freakin Stalock as their backup to Dubnyk. Yes, I know. Scary. And at one point, about 3 seasons ago, the Wild were so desperate for backup/emergency goalies, they actually had a retired minor league goaltender (his name escapes me right now), come OUT of retirement (he was running a hockey equipment shop at the time), to sit on the bench for the Wild as an emergency backup..... !!! Last I checked, Tokarski wasn't renting skates to anyone...so at least there is that. Hey, I liked the guy as a player and I really never did find out what the issues were with him regarding "attitude". Hope he does well with the Flyer org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: The future considerations was the Leland Irving traded back in return. The Flyers couldn't trade him because he was on an AHL only deal. So the Phantoms traded him to Anaheim. This give the Ducks relief of a contract and if they need Irving in emergency all they have to do is sign him to a two way deal. They still have Gibson, Miller and Reto Berra under contract. Thanks .... appreciate your input. For those who want a very detailed explanation here is Meltzer's ..... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=45 The Flyers acquired veteran backup goaltender Dustin Tokarski from the Anaheim Ducks on Monday and assigned the 28-year-old netminder to the AHL's Lehigh Valley Phantoms where he will share netminding duties with second-year pro Alex Lyon. The Flyers sent "future considerations" to the Ducks to acquire Tokarski, who had been playing with the AHL's San Diego Gulls. Simultaneous to the Tokarski acquisition, the Lehigh Valley Phantoms traded goalie Leland Irving to San Diego in exchange for future considerations. The former Calgary Flames' first-round pick made one preseason appearance apiece for the Flyers and Phantoms but did not get into either of the Phantoms' two regular season games to date before the trade. Why were these two moves done as two separate "future considerations" trades rather than a single swap of the goalies? The reason is that Tokarski is on an NHL two-way contract, while Irving signed an offseason AHL-only deal with the Phantoms and is technically an NHL free agent. The Tokarski trade had to be registered with the NHL, even though he'll play in the American Hockey League. Since Irving was not under Flyers contract, he was ineligible to be traded by Philadelphia. The Irving trade is officially classified as an AHL deal. The benefit for the Flyers: With Anthony Stolarz sidelined for much or all of the 2017-18 season, Tokarski (who has previous NHL experience) becomes a call-up option as a third-string goaltender if either Brian Elliott or Michal Neuvirth go down with an injury. While Lyon could get a call-up and is off to a strong start in Lehigh Valley, the Flyers would prefer that he keep on playing rather than watching from the bench as a backup for an extended period of time. The choice of third-string goalie for recall would likely depend on the projected length of absence for Elliott or Neuvirth as well as the recent play of the two Phantoms goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Leach27 said: what a surprise! He was amazing for montreal, stepped in the playoffs when price got hurt. I was puzzled when they traded him after his great play. Anaheim just traded him for future considerations, so I'm guessing the general vibe is not super high on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 How bad must Leland Irving have been? Was kind of surprised they didn't bring in a more "established" vet when Stolarz went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 hours ago, pilldoc said: The benefit for the Flyers: With Anthony Stolarz sidelined for much or all of the 2017-18 season, Tokarski (who has previous NHL experience) becomes a call-up option as a third-string goaltender if either Brian Elliott or Michal Neuvirth go down with an injury. Yeah, I mean this is the key probably. If Stolarz was healthy, then at least ONE of him or Lyon could get workhorse AHL minutes while the other one sits idle on Elliot's bench. Or hey how about this: Why not just play the damn rookie (unlike last year). The Flyers were 4 wins from the playoffs last year. I can point to at least 3 or 4 games that Mason should never have played in last year and the team lost possibly because Hakstol sent in Mason even though Stolarz looked plenty good enough in his limited exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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