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On 5/5/2018 at 12:46 PM, jammer2 said:

 

 Agreed, they are indeed a pitiful excuse of a franchise. A solid 6 or 7 years with the French Connection, but again, won nothing....and that one measly Finals trip, not a lot to hang your hat on. Hasek...Puppa....the rest, ca-ca. Although, I did like Jerry Korab...old school. 

OK, your Flyers won vs my then expansion Sabres i bloody 1975.  What the hell have you done since that makes the Flyers so much better?  Not much.  We had the Cup stolen from us on Hull's BS goal at 230 am when the refs just wanted to go home.  IN THE CREASE AND NO GOAL BY THE RULES OF THE DAY.  Then, in 06, we lose the Cup due to 4 starting defensemen being out for game 7.  If only we had Tallinder for that game it would have been enough.  The Sabres went to 3 straight Eastern finals back then also.  Yes they lost tough ones in game 7 to Ottawa and Carolina.   But we had the Presidents trophy and plenty of good teams.  The Flyers have been no better. I suppose you think Perralt, Martin and Robert were no good either?  Lets not forget the competition of the day.  Lefluer's Canadiens.  Cherry's Bruins.  Potvin and Trottier's Islanders.  

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19 hours ago, Hockey Junkie said:

OK, your Flyers won vs my then expansion Sabres i bloody 1975.  What the hell have you done since that makes the Flyers so much better?  Not much.  We had the Cup stolen from us on Hull's BS goal at 230 am when the refs just wanted to go home.  IN THE CREASE AND NO GOAL BY THE RULES OF THE DAY.  Then, in 06, we lose the Cup due to 4 starting defensemen being out for game 7.  If only we had Tallinder for that game it would have been enough.  The Sabres went to 3 straight Eastern finals back then also.  Yes they lost tough ones in game 7 to Ottawa and Carolina.   But we had the Presidents trophy and plenty of good teams.  The Flyers have been no better. I suppose you think Perralt, Martin and Robert were no good either?  Lets not forget the competition of the day.  Lefluer's Canadiens.  Cherry's Bruins.  Potvin and Trottier's Islanders.  Get F%%cking real

Well, 

2 cups

5 finals

7 semi-finals (5 of them conference finals) 

16 division titles

Have not missed playoffs in consecutive seasons since 1993,94

 

Buffalo

0 Cups

1 finals

3 semi-finals (2 conference finals) 

6 division titles

1 skate

Have missed the playoffs 7 consecutive seasons in league in which there's a 50%+ chance. 

 

The Flyers beat your "expansion" Sabres having been in the league 4 more seasons. 

 

Good comparison. What's next, Chara isn't that much taller than Nathan Gerbe? 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Hockey Junkie said:

OK, your Flyers won vs my then expansion Sabres i bloody 1975.  What the hell have you done since that makes the Flyers so much better?  Not much.  We had the Cup stolen from us on Hull's BS goal at 230 am when the refs just wanted to go home.  IN THE CREASE AND NO GOAL BY THE RULES OF THE DAY.  Then, in 06, we lose the Cup due to 4 starting defensemen being out for game 7.  If only we had Tallinder for that game it would have been enough.  The Sabres went to 3 straight Eastern finals back then also.  Yes they lost tough ones in game 7 to Ottawa and Carolina.   But we had the Presidents trophy and plenty of good teams.  The Flyers have been no better. I suppose you think Perralt, Martin and Robert were no good either?  Lets not forget the competition of the day.  Lefluer's Canadiens.  Cherry's Bruins.  Potvin and Trottier's Islanders.  Get F%%cking real

I could be mean and say we beat you in 1975 and won two Cups to your none, but I won't. Oops. :VeryCool:

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23 hours ago, FD19372 said:

I could be mean and say we beat you in 1975 and won two Cups to your none, but I won't. Oops. :VeryCool:

Yeah but lets be real about it.  It was 40 + years ago.  We were in the league 5 years then.  Its been forever for your team also. That is like the Yankees talking about the 1927 team.  There were not as many teams in those days either.  That makes it very tough now.  Just look at Montreal.  They have won more Cups than any two teams combined.  I like our chances to get there before your team now given the quality of young guys we have.   But nothing is ca certainty.  Look at Vegas.  Who saw that coming. Back to business, lets hope the Capitals win this game

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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

@Hockey Junkie

 

Only two teams have a better points percentage since the Flyers first year and that is Montreal and Knights.

 

 Yep, before the Knights joined, (really, one year....you can't count them) it has been Montreal and then Philly for decades in the winning percentage category. That means the Flyers have consistently performed respectably. The only really bad stretch was before Lindros when they missed the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. ....but that is the lone long standing blemish. 

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Buffalo has the number one pick.  That is going to help.  We have Ristolainen already.  Nelson signed two yr deal yesterday, he will help us.  We will be much better but Botterill must get us a good goalie somehow.  FA obviously.  Ullmark is likely the backup  Lehner I hope will be gone.   His regular season play was good at times.  But he just sucks in shootouts.  Sucks.  Miller has pics up with his stupid Ducks sweater and his kid.  I mean, hello Ryan!!! WTF?  Do you really think anyone is going to remember you sitting on the bench in Anaheim stealing money?  Burning money?  What a waste.  If he is going to come back would you not think he has enough self pride left to pick up the phone and at least consider coming back to a team where he would actually be the number one guy?  It seems like he no longer cares about the game.  Just wants to get his damn check and play.  But are the Ducks going to settle for that?  Talk about a free ride.  Send him to F&$cking Buffalo.  The NHL version of Alaska.  Well maybe that would be Edmonton now?  McDavid could not save them all by himself.  They also need major help.  I think we did more so far to build than they have.  They got Talbot.  Big deal.  We have to look around and find a backup that is good enough to start elsewhere.  The Capitals are one team that has one.   And the Ducks as we know.  And others .  They are out there.  

 

I wish I knew how this kid we drafted from Finland was doing?  Maybe he can be the answer soon?

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On 5/8/2018 at 8:51 AM, Hockey Junkie said:

Buffalo has the number one pick.  That is going to help.  We have Ristolainen already.  Nelson signed two yr deal yesterday, he will help us.  We will be much better but Botterill must get us a good goalie somehow.  FA obviously.  Ullmark is likely the backup  Lehner I hope will be gone.   His regular season play was good at times.  But he just sucks in shootouts.  Sucks.  Miller has pics up with his stupid Ducks sweater and his kid.  I mean, hello Ryan!!! WTF?  Do you really think anyone is going to remember you sitting on the bench in Anaheim stealing money?  Burning money?  What a waste.  If he is going to come back would you not think he has enough self pride left to pick up the phone and at least consider coming back to a team where he would actually be the number one guy?  It seems like he no longer cares about the game.  Just wants to get his damn check and play.  But are the Ducks going to settle for that?  Talk about a free ride.  Send him to F&$cking Buffalo.  The NHL version of Alaska.  Well maybe that would be Edmonton now?  McDavid could not save them all by himself.  They also need major help.  I think we did more so far to build than they have.  They got Talbot.  Big deal.  We have to look around and find a backup that is good enough to start elsewhere.  The Capitals are one team that has one.   And the Ducks as we know.  And others .  They are out there.  

 

I wish I knew how this kid we drafted from Finland was doing?  Maybe he can be the answer soon?

 

 

 The 2018 UFA goalie pool is THIN. The best guy is probably Carter Hutton, then you have Bernier, Lack, Chad Johnson, ....not a lot to pick from...Hutton is gonna get paid large due to supply and demand. You might see prospects in net for the Sabres. 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/

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On 5/8/2018 at 8:51 AM, Hockey Junkie said:

I mean, hello Ryan!!! WTF?  Do you really think anyone is going to remember you sitting on the bench in Anaheim stealing money?

 

This just in.  He's a backup at this point.  Nothing more.

And he wasn't objectively not good to begin with.

 

Honestly, if someone walked up to me and said, "Quick, name a Buffalo goaltending great!" the immediate answer is Hasek.  If it was other than Hasek, Miller might come to mind because he was fairly recent, but there are several who come out of my mouth before him.  Edwards, Sauve, Puppa (that had to suck in high school, btw), Barrasso,    Miller was good.  He fits on the list.   But he wasn't ever elite.

 

I don't know that you currently have your goalie, though currently you may actually be in better shape in goal than Philly.  If you draft Dahlin and keep Risto and add a good veteran top 4 defenseman your goaltending can only instantly get better -- you would think.  Just about everyone else is looking for that dman, though, so it's easier said than done, right?   I don't think Buffalo is far, though.

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On 5/8/2018 at 8:51 AM, Hockey Junkie said:

Buffalo has the number one pick.  That is going to help.  We have Ristolainen already.  Nelson signed two yr deal yesterday, he will help us.  We will be much better but Botterill must get us a good goalie somehow.  FA obviously.  Ullmark is likely the backup  Lehner I hope will be gone.   His regular season play was good at times.  But he just sucks in shootouts.  Sucks.  Miller has pics up with his stupid Ducks sweater and his kid.  I mean, hello Ryan!!! WTF?  Do you really think anyone is going to remember you sitting on the bench in Anaheim stealing money?  Burning money?  What a waste.  If he is going to come back would you not think he has enough self pride left to pick up the phone and at least consider coming back to a team where he would actually be the number one guy?  It seems like he no longer cares about the game.  Just wants to get his damn check and play.  But are the Ducks going to settle for that?  Talk about a free ride.  Send him to F&$cking Buffalo.  The NHL version of Alaska.  Well maybe that would be Edmonton now?  McDavid could not save them all by himself.  They also need major help.  I think we did more so far to build than they have.  They got Talbot.  Big deal.  We have to look around and find a backup that is good enough to start elsewhere.  The Capitals are one team that has one.   And the Ducks as we know.  And others .  They are out there.  

 

I wish I knew how this kid we drafted from Finland was doing?  Maybe he can be the answer soon?

 

 

 This is a really nice article on the Sabres roster, who is going, staying, cap implications etc....a good read. 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-2018-19-roster-overhaul/

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54 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

This just in.  He's a backup at this point.  Nothing more.

And he wasn't objectively not good to begin with.

 

Honestly, if someone walked up to me and said, "Quick, name a Buffalo goaltending great!" the immediate answer is Hasek.  If it was other than Hasek, Miller might come to mind because he was fairly recent, but there are several who come out of my mouth before him.  Edwards, Sauve, Puppa (that had to suck in high school, btw), Barrasso,    Miller was good.  He fits on the list.   But he wasn't ever elite.

 

I don't know that you currently have your goalie, though currently you may actually be in better shape in goal than Philly.  If you draft Dahlin and keep Risto and add a good veteran top 4 defenseman your goaltending can only instantly get better -- you would think.  Just about everyone else is looking for that dman, though, so it's easier said than done, right?   I don't think Buffalo is far, though.

 

 Talk about a couple of UGLY cap hits....Ryan O'Riley has 4 more years at 7+ mill and Okposo has 4 more at 6+....good Lord. O'Riley does not even seem interested anymore, and Okposo has a small window this summer where his full no trade becomes a list of 15 teams he will not be traded to...who would take on 4 years of this stiff. We all knew it was a bad signing, but this is monumentally bad, like maybe worse than McDud bad!! Plus a few more years of Bogonosian, the injury prone bum who only played 18 games last year!!

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42 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

Okposo has a small window this summer where his full no trade becomes a list of 15 teams he will not be traded to...who would take on 4 years of this stiff

 

I thought it was a bad signing when it was done.  But I kind of feel bad for him because he was playing decently and, I thought, maybe proving me wrong when that weird health thing came up and I don't think he's been the same since.  I'm not sure it's entirely him or if it's a bunch of players and a system that don't really go together.  We've had that issue in Philly, too.   I don't get O'Reilly.   I didn't like the amount he got, and he does look disinterested at times.  Again, though, possibly just frustration at this point.   It can't be happy times.

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5 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 I don't get O'Reilly.   I didn't like the amount he got, and he does look disinterested at times.  Again, though, possibly just frustration at this point.   It can't be happy times.

 

 You should look up the "O'Rilley clearing out his locker" video. The poor guy looks lost. Says the Sabres became "ok with losing" and it's killing him. 

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On 5/6/2018 at 1:36 PM, Hockey Junkie said:

my then expansion Sabres

 

They were an incredibly good team, by the way.  

 

If you had to say, which team do you think was better?   The team that lost to the Flyers or the team that lost to Dallas?  Different teams and different eras, obviously, so it's a hard call, but I think I have to go with 1975.    You take Hasek and put him on that team, and you have a parade in Buffalo, I think.

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4 hours ago, jammer2 said:

 

 

 The 2018 UFA goalie pool is THIN. The best guy is probably Carter Hutton, then you have Bernier, Lack, Chad Johnson, ....not a lot to pick from...Hutton is gonna get paid large due to supply and demand. You might see prospects in net for the Sabres. 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/

I would love to get Hutton over what we have now

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3 hours ago, ruxpin said:

 

This just in.  He's a backup at this point.  Nothing more.

And he wasn't objectively not good to begin with.

 

Honestly, if someone walked up to me and said, "Quick, name a Buffalo goaltending great!" the immediate answer is Hasek.  If it was other than Hasek, Miller might come to mind because he was fairly recent, but there are several who come out of my mouth before him.  Edwards, Sauve, Puppa (that had to suck in high school, btw), Barrasso,    Miller was good.  He fits on the list.   But he wasn't ever elite.

 

I don't know that you currently have your goalie, though currently you may actually be in better shape in goal than Philly.  If you draft Dahlin and keep Risto and add a good veteran top 4 defenseman your goaltending can only instantly get better -- you would think.  Just about everyone else is looking for that dman, though, so it's easier said than done, right?   I don't think Buffalo is far, though.

The kid from Finland is the mystery

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34 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

They were an incredibly good team, by the way.  

 

If you had to say, which team do you think was better?   The team that lost to the Flyers or the team that lost to Dallas?  Different teams and different eras, obviously, so it's a hard call, but I think I have to go with 1975.    You take Hasek and put him on that team, and you have a parade in Buffalo, I think.

Oh no question.  They had a bum in the nets in 75, and i just cant think of his name right now.  But after that Edwards and Sauve were very good goalies.  Sauve shut out Montreal back to back in the old 3 of 5 format.  We won that series but then we lost in 5 to Quebec one year and I really knew we had the better team.  This was before they had the team that went to Colorado and then got a cup, by the way as technically an expansion team?  Or were they not considered expansion because they were relocated?  Not sure. But the Cup banner belong in Quebec City.  The 1975 Sabres were light years better than the 99 team other than the exception of Hasek being ten times better than the bum we had in the nets in 75.  The 99 team had no line even close to the French Connectioni or even the second line with Danny Gare, Rick Dudley and Luce.  And we had Craig Ramsey, one of the best penalty killers of all time.  King Kong Korab, Bill Height, Schoenfeld, Lorentz and Stanfield the ex Bruins.

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4 hours ago, Hockey Junkie said:

I would love to get Hutton over what we have now

 

 The only thing about Hutton that scares me is his age. He's 32, turns 33 in Dec, and has never been a starting goalie. Miscast?  perhaps, but somebody is gonna give him a ton of money, and he has never played more than 40 games in year. Part of it is 4 full years of NCAA, plus tons of time in AHL to break through....but a big risk. 

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3 hours ago, jammer2 said:

 

 The only thing about Hutton that scares me is his age. He's 32, turns 33 in Dec, and has never been a starting goalie. Miscast?  perhaps, but somebody is gonna give him a ton of money, and he has never played more than 40 games in year. Part of it is 4 full years of NCAA, plus tons of time in AHL to break through....but a big risk. 

I've been advocating signing him in Philly, but only as a platoon bridge until... 

 

If someone is going to give a 32 year old a ton of money and a starting position when he's never done it nor indicated he could, they should be escorted from the building and roughed up in the parking lot before being banned from the property. 

 

I mean, good on Hutton and get it while you can, but some fan base somewhere will hate his guts before he's done. Think Darling. 

 

I'd love to have him play an expanded version of his St. Louis role in Philly, but that's it. 

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5 hours ago, jammer2 said:

 

 The only thing about Hutton that scares me is his age. He's 32, turns 33 in Dec, and has never been a starting goalie. Miscast?  perhaps, but somebody is gonna give him a ton of money, and he has never played more than 40 games in year. Part of it is 4 full years of NCAA, plus tons of time in AHL to break through....but a big risk. 

Age does not scare me as much with goalies.  Many many goalies have played until late ages like Broduer, Gump Worsley just to use examples from recent and past times.

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5 hours ago, jammer2 said:

 

 The only thing about Hutton that scares me is his age. He's 32, turns 33 in Dec, and has never been a starting goalie. Miscast?  perhaps, but somebody is gonna give him a ton of money, and he has never played more than 40 games in year. Part of it is 4 full years of NCAA, plus tons of time in AHL to break through....but a big risk. 

 

 

I have advocated signing Hutton to take Elliott's job.

 

Sure his age is a concern but on a two year deal i would love to have him on the Flyers.

 

He and Elliott would be a solid tandem i think. 

 

Hutton could play 50-55 games and let Elliott take the rest.

 

It would be my offseason plan.

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18 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

I have advocated signing Hutton to take Elliott's job.

 

Sure his age is a concern but on a two year deal i would love to have him on the Flyers.

 

He and Elliott would be a solid tandem i think. 

 

Hutton could play 50-55 games and let Elliott take the rest.

 

It would be my offseason plan.

I'm good with this, though I think I'd try to keep it to 50.

 

I don't think our coach is capable of wisely adhering to allotted time, though. Ride one until he breaks and on to the next. He's a goalie killer. 

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38 minutes ago, Hockey Junkie said:

Age does not scare me as much with goalies.  Many many goalies have played until late ages like Broduer, Gump Worsley just to use examples from recent and past times.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not really concerned at 32 with a goalie. 

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15 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

Yeah, I agree. I'm not really concerned at 32 with a goalie. 

 

 

I know exactly especially when your "starter" as we speak is ALREADY older than the guy you are thinking about signing (to a short deal of course)......give him more per year and a shorter deal to get him here they have plenty of cap space.

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