King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 23 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: How about this... To Nashville: Wayne Simmonds To Philly: Ryan Ellis Thoughts?? Ivan/Ellis Ghost/Mcdud Sanheim/Hagg Gudas I don't see them giving him up. They don't have a ton of cap room, but I suspect they'll find a way. If the cap goes up to $80, it's a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Howie58 said: Greetings: Thanks for the clarification. So it's basically trade or wait. Interesting. If I believe the press, Hextall hasn't even talked with the agent. I completely believe he hasn't talked to his agent and I don't think that's necessarily a problem. It's a pretty damn busy time of year for Hextall. They never talk to agents much right now do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/16/2018 at 7:46 AM, OccamsRazor said: Sheesh i think i need that melatonin now.....what about bottom pair? It all depends. Realistically, unless they bring in Tavares (which realistically... aint happening) Giroux's line will always be the top line. I think this sentiment is mostly in terms of the middle 6 and thinking of the role of a 3C as a checking defensive specialist... and I agree that there's no need to think that way if there's no need to think that way (i.e. if you can actually have and afford to have a skill scoring play making center at your 3C and can give him competent wings, then you should damn well do that). You know a really good way at keeping the other guys from scoring? Scoring yourself. Put some actual talent there and look at his line mates? Simmer, Weal? What kind of a season do we think Jordan Weal would have playing on a line with Simmer and Tavares? If Morin can recover from this surgery and playdecently, in 2019 there will only be a top pair of D men if they keep Ghost and Provo together. The other two pairings would each be very strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Is Nashville actively shopping Ellis? No but they have 7 guys under contract Emelin if they want needs to be resigned and Jonas Lyytinen is about ready for some NHl time if they need a call up... ...plus their forward group however are skill but lack true toughness and grit that Simmer could bring. Not sure if they would be looking to move Bonino too but they sure could use the Wayne Train. Ellis would give the Flyers a skilled righthand shot who could pair with Ivan....sure he would need to be resigned and both guys in the trade need new deals it is why i thought it would be worth the risk on both sides. And Wayne gets to play with Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, King Knut said: Scoring yourself. Well they have to stop passing in order to do that....baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, King Knut said: What kind of a season do we think Jordan Weal would have playing on a line with Simmer and Tavares Dear Gawd i hope Weal is traded at the draft for a bag of bent pucks...i'm tired of wasting a roster spot on him...they need to get to the next level and Weal ain't part of the solution to get there....buy bye Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, King Knut said: What kind of a season do we think Jordan Weal would have playing on a line with Simmer and Tavares? If we actually have JT and Simmonds and stick Weal on the line, Weal should have a season that has two different head coaches, the second part with him in the press box or the Carl's Jr. drive thru where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Well they have to stop passing in order to do that....baby steps. Well if their passes wouldn't get picked off, they could technically pass all night without the other guys scoring, right? Are you saying they need a finisher? What a novel concept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Dear Gawd i hope Weal is traded at the draft for a bag of bent pucks...i'm tired of wasting a roster spot on him...they need to get to the next level and Weal ain't part of the solution to get there....buy bye Jordan. I don't mind having him around for another year if he can get some appropriate line mates. When you think about it, it was stuck with Patrick at first when Patrick was still trying to get into game shape and couldn't skate. Then he was essentially stuck with Filppula all year, which.... 'nuff said. BUT THEN he was graciously granted Simmonds to play with them who was only suffering from a torn pelvis, torn groin and a broken face at the time. Weal wasn't a solution, but I have a hard time honestly considering him the main problem with the third line last year. Give him a healthy Simmer and a functional 3C and let's see what happens. And I say this because I'm not sold on Martel as a pro or Vrobyov as a Wing and I prefer Veccione to stay at Center because he can be a faceoff Monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, King Knut said: Are you saying they need a finisher? At least one. Well it seems they have one of the 1st line and that is TK. However the need one on the 2nd...last year they had 3 passers mostly...Lindblom, Patrick and Jake all look to pass. Maybe that changes next year...sure hope one of the 3 turns into a shooter if they are together again. And that leaves us with the 3rd...hopefully the worst passer Filppula will never return and if Simmer is traded that whole 3rd line could look new....so there is hope for them there... ...and the 4th i know Laughton and Raffl will shoot....yet if they are straddled with Lehterable at center they are screwed... ...because by the time he gets in the offensive zone lugging the puck, the other team has had plenty of time to sip some gatorade retape their sticks, and then get in position to block the shooting lanes....SMFH...he must not be the 4th line center again unless a rash of injuries pop up. I am hoping Vorobyev will at least be the 4th line center by the start of the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, King Knut said: I don't mind having him around for another year if he can get some appropriate line mates I think if he is one the ice again something went wrong and they didn't take a step forward...bottom line...already stuck with Wiese and Lehtera that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much mediocre for next year....dump his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, ruxpin said: But just some added questions/thoughts. Well since we are brainstorming.... would you do a Simmer for Patches swap??? Just asking is all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Well since we are brainstorming.... would you do a Simmer for Patches swap??? Just asking is all.... My knee-jerk reaction as I read it is no. It does get the LWer, so I get the concept, and he does put the puck in the net (especially when he has linemates), but it's an expiring contract for an expiring contract and only a year difference in age. I'm back to wondering what he would want to sign in terms of cost and term and wonder to myself why I just wouldn't sign Simmonds and go get the left winger. I think it would probably be a fairly even-up swap and there would definitely be some benefit of 2LW vs. 3RW, but I think I pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, ruxpin said: only a year difference in age. No only a couple months...Patches is younger...but i get it...it seems you would want a bigger return for Simmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: No only a couple months...Patches is younger...but i get it...it seems you would want a bigger return for Simmer. I think yeah. I honestly don't know that I'm being realistic. But I look at what we got for Schenn and don't think I should get less for Simmer. If Patches had 3-4 years left on a deal, I think I'd be all over it. I wouldn't be horrified by it if that's what happened, but I don't know that *I* would do that given the contract status. I don't know why Simmonds would settle for a 4-5 year contract at this point in his career (unless it's just an earnest attempt to stay with the Flyers), but if he's willing to do that I'd consider. I'd also tell him that if he's willing to go 2 years I add $2M to whatever we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: No only a couple months...Patches is younger...but i get it...it seems you would want a bigger return for Simmer. What are your thoughts on Petry? Would you do Simmonds + Gudas for Patches + Petry? Petry adds to the cap vs. Gudas but only one extra year. Maybe the Habs do this to get out of that year despite what I think is a drop off in talent? I think I still want younger assets for Simmonds, though, and think I might do better keeping Simmonds and Gudas in separate deals. Don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, ruxpin said: But I look at what we got for Schenn and don't think I should get less for Simmer. But remember and many here do forget they took back a turd two year contract too....so it ain't like Schenn got you two first alone...so that has skewed the equation some. However due to Simmer's consistency he has shown over the year he should have more value than Schenn...even though Brayden was 25 at the time (and already under contract) of the trade and Simmer is 4 years older....i don't makes it all a little harder to weigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Would you do Simmonds + Gudas for Patches + Petry? Yes i would. Would they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Yes i would. Would they. I don't see why they would. But that describes a lot of their trades to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: I think if he is one the ice again something went wrong and they didn't take a step forward...bottom line...already stuck with Wiese and Lehtera that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much mediocre for next year....dump his ass. I just don't think that's a realistic conclusion based on the circumstances. Weise and Lehtera were brought in to be checking energy guys who were defensively responsible and maybe score occasionally, however despite being put in the positions to do just that, neither accomplished ANY of that. Weal is a disruptive feisty penalty drawing scrappy scorer. That's his MO. That's where he excelled in the minors and where he excelled at the end of the '16-'17 season. He wasn't put in that position all year. He was put in the position of carrying lines with injured/too old players. That was never going to work. If they trade him, I won't mind, but I don't think they have the Wing you're looking for currently on the roster. I think in the system, Allison's the guy to take on that spot if he ever decides to try to make the team and actually accomplishes that. Maybe Radcliffe if he continues to develop. But neither are going to be Flyers this year, so that leaves what to do with that spot for now... No matter what, upgrading Filppula and getting Simmer Healthy are far more key to the 3rd line contributing more than anything having to do with Weal exiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, King Knut said: Weal is a disruptive feisty penalty drawing scrappy scorer. Uh wrong. In 23 games from February 18th till the end of the season he scored 2 goals and one was on the power play. So maybe we differ in what we expect from a "scorer".... ...as @ruxpin said somewhere a drive thru is missing their drive thru guy....Flyers have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, OccamsRazor said: Uh wrong. In 23 games from February 18th till the end of the season he scored 2 goals and one was on the power play. So maybe we differ in what we expect from a "scorer".... ...as @ruxpin said somewhere a drive thru is missing their drive thru guy....Flyers have him. Why are you ignoring what I'm saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, King Knut said: Why are you ignoring what I'm saying? I don't think I am. No way am I buying that all on Filppula....hiw else do you explain a broke down Simmer still scoring 24 goals WITH Filppula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, OccamsRazor said: I don't think I am. No way am I buying that all on Filppula....hiw else do you explain a broke down Simmer still scoring 24 goals WITH Filppula? Wayne Simmonds scored ZERO goals while playing with Filppula from January to the end of the year. I don't have time to check before that. When he did score after having been movied, ALL the assists came from D men and or were unassisted. Also, 11 of his goals were on the PP where he played with Giroux, Coots, Jake and Ghost? He scored Zero on PP2 with Filppula. And because at least 7 of those goals came before he tore his groin or got his face busted up. How many points did Konecny score before he got moved when he was with Filppula? Filppula was very bad for this team last year. Simmonds being hurt made it a lot worse. Weal isn't good enough to make an injured Simmonds and a broke down slow ass end of his career Filppula better. IF that's your argument for why he belongs in Fast Food, then most of the NHL does too. Again, I don't like the dude, I don't care if he plays or not... I just think it's important to be remotely realistic about our criticism. He wasn't good. He's not a great player. He would be better if his line mates weren't the walking wounded and a guy 10 years removed from his best seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, King Knut said: Wayne Simmonds scored ZERO goals while playing with Filppula from January to the end of the year. I don't have time to check before that. When he did score after having been movied, ALL the assists came from D men and or were unassisted. Also, 11 of his goals were on the PP where he played with Giroux, Coots, Jake and Ghost? He scored Zero on PP2 with Filppula. And because at least 7 of those goals came before he tore his groin or got his face busted up. How many points did Konecny score before he got moved when he was with Filppula? Filppula was very bad for this team last year. Simmonds being hurt made it a lot worse. Weal isn't good enough to make an injured Simmonds and a broke down slow ass end of his career Filppula better. IF that's your argument for why he belongs in Fast Food, then most of the NHL does too. Again, I don't like the dude, I don't care if he plays or not... I just think it's important to be remotely realistic about our criticism. He wasn't good. He's not a great player. He would be better if his line mates weren't the walking wounded and a guy 10 years removed from his best seasons. I'm at the gym. This doesn't change anyway from what I SAW he is hot garbage. Defend him if you feel you must. I want him gone. Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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