trevluk Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Yes 5 out of 6 points is nice but the first 2 games were against struggling teams and take it from someone who was at the Sharks game last night, they had no business even getting a point. With the exception of the first 30 seconds, the Flyers were soundly out played in every facet of the game. If it weren't for 2 very lucky goals by Weal and Jake the score would have been 3-1 in regulation or worse. If you look at the big picture, last night was an embarrassment, poignantly underlined by the overtime performance which was down right pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, trevluk said: Yes 5 out of 6 points is nice but the first 2 games were against struggling teams and take it from someone who was at the Sharks game last night, they had no business even getting a point. With the exception of the first 30 seconds, the Flyers were soundly out played in every facet of the game. If it weren't for 2 very lucky goals by Weal and Jake the score would have been 3-1 in regulation or worse. If you look at the big picture, last night was an embarrassment, poignantly underlined by the overtime performance which was down right pathetic. So it doesn't count if a struggling team beats a struggling team? A struggling team has to beat a good team? Then doesn't that lead to someone saying the good team had an off night, coming off back to backs or ran into a got goalie excuse? So where does it stop? Where does it count? With today's parity in the NHL there are no easy wins. Everyone one counts for 2 points. Even the ones you're suppose to win. Even they ones you're suppose to lose. 2 points. Every night the hungriest team will come out on top. Not always the best team. The one who wants it the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'm not fooled, although they are winning, and getting better goaltending than I expected. That being said, no matter how much some want to tell me it's not true, this is a one-line team and on that first line, there is a lazy, unaware veteran right winger who doesn't backcheck with any level of consistency nor intensity. Oh, I wasn't supposed to single anyone out, was I? Oops. Even if JVR was healthy, I still feel like this is a one-line team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, FD19372 said: That being said, no matter how much some want to tell me it's not true, this is a one-line team Out of curiosity, which line? Certainly you don't mean the Coots-Giroux-Voracek line that's scored exactly one goal on this trip. You mean the Patrick line, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevluk Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: So it doesn't count if a struggling team beats a struggling team? A struggling team has to beat a good team? Then doesn't that lead to someone saying the good team had an off night, coming off back to backs or ran into a got goalie excuse? So where does it stop? Where does it count? With today's parity in the NHL there are no easy wins. Everyone one counts for 2 points. Even the ones you're suppose to win. Even they ones you're suppose to lose. 2 points. Every night the hungriest team will come out on top. Not always the best team. The one who wants it the most. Fair points but then how do you measure the barometer of this team if not by comparing them to other teams whether they be struggling or on a roll? I guess my only point is that despite the 5 points in 3 games their play has not impressed me and there is a lot to be concerned with on this team. It feels like we have been swimming in mediocrity (or worse) for a while now and it feels like all of the right pieces are never going to be in place at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, trevluk said: Fair points but then how do you measure the barometer of this team if not by comparing them to other teams whether they be struggling or on a roll? I guess my only point is that despite the 5 points in 3 games their play has not impressed me and there is a lot to be concerned with on this team. It feels like we have been swimming in mediocrity (or worse) for a while now and it feels like all of the right pieces are never going to be in place at the same time. You can't really. They are as Jekyll and Hyde as they come. And I don't mean game to game I mean period to period. Pure utter madness. I don't know what else to say. Really. Anyone's guess could be right. Or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 36 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Out of curiosity, which line? Certainly you don't mean the Coots-Giroux-Voracek line that's scored exactly one goal on this trip. You mean the Patrick line, right? Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 hours ago, trevluk said: It feels like we have been swimming in mediocrity (or worse) for a while now and it feels like all of the right pieces are never going to be in place at the same time. I understand this "feeling". On paper this team should be better than the team that amassed 98 points. the new "scoring guy" has played 2 games. I thought the Flyers played well in the 2nd period vs San Jose. It didn't look like they were being outclassed during that 20 minutes. I missed the 1st and couldn't stay awake for the 3rd. I didn't see a whole lot of 10 bell scoring chances for the Sharks, & possession seemed about even. I went to sleep thinking the team was looking okay. Better than vs Boston and the Islanders for certain. There is something off with this bunch though. They are not playing as well as I think they should be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I honestly don't know if this team is awful or just mostly awful, so imma wait for @JR Ewing to post Flyers heat maps for the season before I make any definitive statement. They bore the hell out of me though, I can tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Podein25 said: They bore the hell out of me though, I can tell you that. Games against ANA and LA were entertaining. Other than that, meh... I think tonight's game will say a lot about the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, mojo1917 said: They are not playing as well as I think they should be either. The roster - particularly the forward group - is better than their record. Even without JVR. But, as mentioned in another thread, there is no single cause for their inconsistency/mediocrity. What I don't get is how they can play poorly some nights and then so well on other nights. Why is that? What are they doing on the good nights that they aren't doing on the bad nights? Like, does success come when they play the system? Or, are they succeeding in spite of the system? What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, vis said: What I don't get is how they can play poorly some nights and then so well on other nights. Why is that? I think this is a direct result of being a mediocre team. Mediocrity lends itself to be inconsistent and this team, if nothing else, is inconsistent and you don't have to be a very good team in the NHL to make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, Podein25 said: They bore the hell out of me though, I can tell you that. This for real. I always find myself finding something to do around the house while they are playing. Very very boring and hard to watch at times. And then at times when i do sit to watch they do something stupid like long cross ice passes constantly to work the puck up the ice because they always try the home run type sh it....or over handle it and turn it over and i just end up getting pissed that yeah i need to find something to do than watch this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, vis said: What I don't get is how they can play poorly some nights periods and then so well on other nights periods. Fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, murraycraven said: I think this is a direct result of being a mediocre team. I don't think it's so much about them being a mediocre team as it comes down to their hunger and compete level. being consistent. As we've seen them turn it on late when the game is to far out of hand....why can't they come out the gate with that intensity and try and get a lead early. They have score the 1st goal twice this season and lost both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, murraycraven said: I think this is a direct result of being a mediocre team. Mediocrity lends itself to be inconsistent and this team, if nothing else, is inconsistent and you don't have to be a very good team in the NHL to make the playoffs. Seems like a chicken and the egg scenario. Does mediocrity beget inconsistency, or does inconsistency make a team mediocre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, vis said: Seems like a chicken and the egg scenario. Does mediocrity beget inconsistency, or does inconsistency make a team mediocre? All i know is i am so thankful Ron didn't start Hart in net with this team...i know he has had a sports psychiatrist since his junior days but had he had to lace them up with this club he would have to have a sleepover with him for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I will say this i would be completely ok with Stevens coming in and replacing Gord Murphy to work with the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: I always find myself finding something to do around the house while they are playing. I know, right? Among other things, this means talking with Mrs Podein25! Hockey is supposed to be there for me to prevent this and that really pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, vis said: Seems like a chicken and the egg scenario. Does mediocrity beget inconsistency, or does inconsistency make a team mediocre? Let me check my magic 8 ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Podein25 said: I know, right? Among other things, this means talking with Mrs Podein25! Hockey is supposed to be there for me to prevent this and that really pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 They have 2 good lines, 2/3 of a third line. Solid 4th line with Raffl and Laughton. They need a Pronger to lead and mentor the defense, they have talent but lack experience. They need a real third line center. The goaltending is horrible, let's see how Lyon does. Their biggest weakness is poor fundamentals, making the same mental errors and mistakes over and over, bad starts to games and bad PK for years as well as being the worst at shootouts.That has to point to the coaches as we all know. There is also a lack of chemistry. We dont have a go to guy like the old time Flyers, like a Clarke. It would be nice to have a pure finisher, like a Leach, Kerr or Leclair. We need some specialists on this team, always draft the two way guy. We need a forward with the skill level and shot of Ghost. Maybe Konecny can step up, but we really need a shot first kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 the sad part is that they did exactly what I thought... the go out West and come home with a 7 out of 8 points. Meanwhile Coach Q was just fired and is there for the taking. Hextall, your patience is really annoying sometimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan35 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, murraycraven said: the sad part is that they did exactly what I thought... the go out West and come home with a 7 out of 8 points. Meanwhile Coach Q was just fired and is there for the taking. Hextall, your patience is really annoying sometimes.... hextall should make the move anyway because we are beating crap teams, that shouldnt keep anyone's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 A thing I noticed during the nice 5-2 win vs the 'yotes was how often these guys look like a monkey ****** a football trying to break out of their zone vs a forecheck. So I don't want to be the guy who's like they suck ! after taking 7 of 8 points on a Western road trip, because I don't *think * they actually suck, but they have some stupid tendencies that have to be a result of "system". I know Arizona plays a pretty aggressive forechecking style now...actually they're pretty fun to watch. There were maybe 10 or 12 instances where there would be 4 Flyers jammed up on one side of the ice by 3 and sometimes 2 AZ forecheckers... Seriously it looks like u-6 soccer a gaggle of people bunched up around the ball, in this case a puck. Guys weren't necessarily losing the 1 v 1 battles either. This has to be coaching,. Of couse the PK is - gahh i can't talk about it. The other thing that looks like "system" to me is how guys specifically centermen do not take the puck between the dots, I noticed this several times last night, there was room to make a cut and make Keumper work, but the puck was kept to the outside and ultimately given up...is this meant to retain possession ? a shot generates rebounds and sometimes odd mans the other way, but is keeping the puck on the perimeter and working low to high for a shot better ? it seems easy to disrupt if opposition wingers & d play aggressively....I don't know there is a weirdness to the Flyers play that I don't notice from successful teams. There's talent on the ice, the system & playing philosophy should enhance that, rather than ultimately hide it. Quennville is finally available...just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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