radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, murraycraven said: Might as well just not watch Philly hockey for the next bunch of years.... I mean based on this hiring and everyone freaking out this team is headed for a sure as sh!t dumpster fire where we trade all the young talent for the hometown boy Bobby Ryan. I have been quite clear that I'm giving ol' Fletch a shot. I'm not saying it's a dumpster fire. I'm not saying he's doomed to failure. Do I have concerns? Sure. Because Fletcher didn't just emerge full-formed from the head of Handzus yesterday, he has a track record from 2009-2018 in Minnesota where they have made the playoffs the last six years in a row. And got to the second round twice. I hope he does better here. And then there's the track record of the guy who picked him. I'm right there with ya. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) I'm hoping this guy can could in and help this young group out. A pretty decent group to work with. #nomorespies I think this is to give Hak some good support to lean on so Fletch can evaluate Hak position and may have the rest of the year before they decide to move on. There is a yuge hole to dig out of hope they brought a big shovel. Edited December 4, 2018 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineFlyFan Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Did not want to start an entire thread for this question, and seeing how this is the "hot topic" right now I'll interrupt the "Fletcher beat down" for just a second and ask this.... Why the hell do we 4 days off without a game?!....just seems like forever since we played the Pens....I thought 3 days off was max without some kind of "reason"... Carry On... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, murraycraven said: I would hate to be Fletcher. Guy isn't even in the position 24 hours and he is already a terrible GM. Seems like everyone on this board is a better GM than him already and he is apparently going to destroy this franchise... Welcome to Philly Fletch!!! It's like trying to like the Big Bad Wolf who blew down the 3 pigs houses and saying he is a good guy now. Sadly Fletcher has history of not making great decisions. Unfortunately that is all this fan base has to go on. I get it ... I really do. I sincerely hoping he has learned from past mistakes. If he succeeds then hopefully that will mean that his success will ultimately bring about that golden prize of being being known as Stanley Cup winners. But yeah....he has a pretty pissed off fan base to win over. What is done is now done..... We as fans have 2 choices: 1) Keep pissing and moaning about it (which won't change a thing) ....... or 2) Accept it (does't mean we have to like it) but accept it and hope and pray he makes smarts moves for this team to move forward With that said... I have to at least give this guy a shot (I may not like what his track history is), but I have followed this team for way to long a time to give up now..... I promise I will try to be patient. Edited December 4, 2018 by pilldoc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, MaineFlyFan said: Did not want to start an entire thread for this question, and seeing how this is the "hot topic" right now I'll interrupt the "Fletcher beat down" for just a second and ask this.... Why the hell do we 4 days off without a game?!....just seems like forever since we played the Pens....I thought 3 days off was max without some kind of "reason"... Carry On... welcome to the quirkiness of NHL scheduling ...... there is no rhyme or reason for it....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 14 hours ago, vis said: You know, it may not. If he's got any sense about him, he'll watch this team - on and off the ice - and see what he has. Maybe with Hextall removed, this team starts playing to its potential. He still has holes to fill. But maybe we won't see anything too drastic - at least not in the short term. Maybe it shakes them into busting their butts a bit more, and maybe it scares Hakstol enough to put some more enthusiasm into his pregame and what not... but the long and short is if Fletcher waits til the deadline to see what he has, then they might just as well have not fired Hextall. Especially if they don's replace Murphy immediately. The defense has been crap all year and Gordon did not seem to be much help. I can't see how Hakstol's smarter than Murph and it was just no one listening to Hak that made them so bad. Gordon had to go (so does Hak, but whatever) so replacing him even in the short term, is a plus if it happens. 14 hours ago, vis said: Other than Simmonds, no one wants that trash. If this team continues looking like it has for the better part of the season, I'm open to trading almost anyone from the roster other than Provorov, Konecny and Patrick. If you trade G, Coots, or Jake without replacing them with TOP TIER talent immediately and this team will fall behind three or four years again. If you trade Ghost or Sanheim, you will watch them DESTROY and win cups on other teams. Trading JVR would be HILARIOUS. LIKE FRIGGIN' HILARIOUS. And also a shame because they haven't put him in a position to succeed much this year. But I'd laugh my ass off. Part of me mentioning those guys was that they weren't great, but that they were the only expendable parts of the team because with anyone else what you're giving up could be catastrophic going forward. I'll go as far as to add Lindblom to the list of potentially expandable guys. You could throw in Laughton, but he's been very good for them this year. I think a lot of teams would also trade for Raffl for the stretch run as he is amazingly useful in a lot of areas, especially if you're banged up at the end of the year. 14 hours ago, vis said: He may have known it, but whether he would have done something about it - and done it right - is another story. I just don't know where this narrative of "Hextall doesn't want good established NHL talent" is coming from. It comes up in discussions as a given now, but it's JUST NOT THE CASE and there's nothing supporting it. The fact is Hextall went out and tried to get NHL talent when he finally had cap space and got the BEST forward who he could possibly have signed and didn't waste time or money on guys that would have prevented him from getting BETTER talent later on either during the season or next year in UFA. By his own admission the other day, he tried to get even better guys and address things like the 3C and PK, but the cost was too great. Next year's UFA crop is RIDICULOUSLY better than last year's. The idea that he just wasn't ever going to do anything after he clearly just did stuff as soon as he was able is just silly and rooted in Philly Phan impatience and surliness. Blame him for what he did and didn't do when he could (aka Grabner and Halak this past summer I guess) but based on his MO so far and by his own admission 4.5 years ago, he was playing a 5 year game of chess and he'd just gotten to the last stage. The presser mentioned "go time" and when was "go time" going to be? Well, "go time" can't happen until "go time" players become available. He'd said this from the start and the fact that fans and management have this selective memory and choose to see only what they want to is just plain typical and frustrating. People at large seem to be blaming Hextall for not doing something sooner, when the cap space issue was first and foremost for four years. "Weise and Gordon? Why not Grabner?" was the battle cry, but Weise has been one of the team's strongest players so far this year and 31 other teams passed on Grabner too. 14 hours ago, vis said: Depends on a few things. I'm not sure Varlamov or Nilssen are the rights guys with Carter Hart waiting in the wings. I really don't know if they should make a play for Panarin. I think it will cost too much. Who is the right guy with Hart waiting in the wings though? I keep hearing about him, I keep looking around the league to find him, and I keep not seeing him and every time I ask about this mystery man, no one seems to have an answer. Same with Panarin. We're mad at Hextall for not improving the roster. THIS IS IMPROVING THE ROSTER. What are the players that are better than what they have that would suffice? 14 hours ago, vis said: Yes, all that cap space will go to some important signings this year. Less concerned about Stolarz and Laughton. I think Sanheim gets a reasonable deal. I think we have to see how the next few months play out before we can guess on Stolarz. It's too soon to say. Sanheim's minutes are highly restricted right now. It's going to be difficult for him to argue a huge increase until that changes. 14 hours ago, vis said: I don't know about Morin and Myers. Morin is going to have a difficult time making it back. I was hoping Myers would be dominant in the AHL, but I'm not sure that's been the case. Any insight? I think Morin's going to do exactly what Stolarz is doing. Once he's healthy (and not pushing that is the BIG BIG BIG part of this) I think he'll come onto an NHL roster and do very well next season. He should have started last year with the Flyers. The potential benefit was too good and frankly, most people thought he outplayed Hagg in camp and everyone downright knew he outplayed Mac and Manning. Morin's an NHL player. Some players just perform better against better competition. I believe based on what I've seen that Morin is one of them. Myers, like Hart seems to be having ups and downs. Frankly, I'm not in love with the way the defense has been handled on the Phantoms either. It seems a little fishy that almost every D man on this team has performed better on the Flyers than he did for the Phantoms potentially including MacDonald. 14 hours ago, vis said: They passed on Zito and they will pass on Keefe. They seem to want established NHL guys. When your NHL guys have only established mediocrity at best and abject failure at worst... I just don't see the point if you're trying to move forward. Frankly, with Fletcher, I expect they did what most stupid bosses do when they try to replace someone... they went with the guy who told them exactly what they wanted to hear instead of with the guy who said the smartest stuff. 14 hours ago, vis said: Absolutely not. Seriously, what Flyers coach since say, Keenan did more with less than Stevens accomplished? What he did last year with that geriatric dump truck load of cinder blocks in LA was nothing short of miraculous. Just saying. Not saying he's the head coach I want. He isn't. Just saying the dude deserves more respect than most people in this town afford him. It all seems to stem from the fact that Richards and Carter stole some dudes girlfriends in the early '00's or something. I don't know. But it's irrational and has little to do with hockey. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, King Knut said: but the long and short is if Fletcher waits til the deadline to see what he has, then they might just as well have not fired Hextall. Sure. My comment above was more about timing. Of course, I expect there to be activity as the deadline draws near . But I am not expecting him to trade a slew of players in the next two weeks. That was my point. Quote If you trade G, Coots, or Jake without replacing them with TOP TIER talent immediately and this team will fall behind three or four years again. If you trade Ghost or Sanheim, you will watch them DESTROY and win cups on other teams. I don't think they trade anyone in the "core" given the mandate to "win" now. However, none of them are untouchable in my opinion. That's my point. I don't think Ghost or Sanheim can "destroy" or win cups on their own. That's a bit of hyperbole. On the flip side, what if one of them brought back players that could "destroy" or win a cup here? You wouldn't make a move like that? Quote Trading JVR would be HILARIOUS. LIKE FRIGGIN' HILARIOUS. And also a shame because they haven't put him in a position to succeed much this year. But I'd laugh my ass off. Well, he's been hurt most of the season. Quote I just don't know where this narrative of "Hextall doesn't want good established NHL talent" is coming from. Don't think that's the "narrative" at all. I think the complaint has been that he's too beholden to prospects and to the "future" than the present. Quote Next year's UFA crop is RIDICULOUSLY better than last year's. The idea that he just wasn't ever going to do anything after he clearly just did stuff as soon as he was able is just silly and rooted in Philly Phan impatience and surliness. You realize GMs can make trades, right? That not all player acquisitions come through the draft or via FA? You realize that when teams underperform, that GMs seek to upgrade or make changes in the middle of the season via trades, right? Especially where there are glaring holes in the lineup. Quote Blame him for what he did and didn't do when he could (aka Grabner and Halak this past summer I guess) but based on his MO so far and by his own admission 4.5 years ago, he was playing a 5 year game of chess and he'd just gotten to the last stage. Yes, and in year 5 his team was almost dead last in the league with little to no improvement. That's damning. The team should have been performing much better than it is at this point. Quote Who is the right guy with Hart waiting in the wings though? I keep hearing about him, I keep looking around the league to find him, and I keep not seeing him and every time I ask about this mystery man, no one seems to have an answer. This question has been asked and answered. Search under my posts. 34 minutes ago, King Knut said: Same with Panarin. We're mad at Hextall for not improving the roster. THIS IS IMPROVING THE ROSTER. What are the players that are better than what they have that would suffice? I don't think anyone faulted him for not getting Panarin. But I can see how saying that fits your "narrative." 34 minutes ago, King Knut said: Frankly, with Fletcher, I expect they did what most stupid bosses do when they try to replace someone... they went with the guy who told them exactly what they wanted to hear instead of with the guy who said the smartest stuff. Look, I'm not in love with the idea of Fletcher. But I'm not dismissing him either. George McPhee failed the Capitals for years. But he went on to build a great Vegas team. Dean Lombardi didn't win **** in San Jose before going to LA. Jim Rutherford won a cup in Carolina, but many thought he was washed up before he joined the Pens. Just because a guy didn't have great success doesn't mean he can't find it somewhere else. 34 minutes ago, King Knut said: Seriously, what Flyers coach since say, Keenan did more with less than Stevens accomplished? What he did last year with that geriatric dump truck load of cinder blocks in LA was nothing short of miraculous. He's not a good head coach no matter how many times you try to say it. Last thought on Hextall: Have you ignored all the other reports about how "toxic" the environment had become under Hextall? Do you not think that played a role, if not a primary role? It's one thing to act the way Hextall allegedly did when the team is successfull. You can swing your dick any way you want when you're winning. But the team wasn't winning. And when you're not succeeding, people don't tolerate that kind of behavior. I bet if he fostered a different type of environment and been less of a dictator (if you believe what you read), he'd still be here. Edited December 4, 2018 by vis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, vis said: I bet if he fostered a different type of environment and been less of a dictator (if you believe what you read), he'd still be here. I bet if he was - as you note - winning, he'd still be here. Despite the "toxic" atmosphere, the "spies" in the locker room and the caterers being upset that they have to have menus approved. The "toxic" part is back fill to justify the firing from where I sit. YMMV, which is fine (I don't think it does). I, for one, am looking forward to seeing Dave Hakstol freed from the overbearing influence of a GM that picked his assistant coaches for him. Maybe it starts with Chuck Fletcher picking Rick Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, pilldoc said: It's like trying to like the Big Bad Wolf who blew down the 3 pigs houses and saying he is a good guy now. Sadly Fletcher has history of not making great decisions. Unfortunately that is all this fan base has to go on. I get it ... I really do. I sincerely hoping he has learned from past mistakes. If he succeeds then hopefully that will mean that his success will ultimately bring about that golden prize of being being known as Stanley Cup winners. But yeah....he has a pretty pissed off fan base to win over. What is done is now done..... We as fans have 2 choices: 1) Keep pissing and moaning about it (which won't change a thing) ....... or 2) Accept it (does't mean we have to like it) but accept it and hope and pray he makes smarts moves for this team to move forward With that said... I have to at least give this guy a shot (I may not like what his track history is), but I have followed this team for way to long a time to give up now..... I promise I will try to be patient. you are exactly where I am on this whole thing. I don't have the energy to be emotionally invested as a fan right now. LOL... I hope it works out, I really do... I also am a bit reserved in my judgement until things start moving and hope he has learned from past negatives. All we can do is wait and see at this point... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, radoran said: The "toxic" part is back fill to justify the firing from where I sit. I'm not buying that. For if for no other reason why is Hak still here he was still part of the not winning of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I'm not buying that. For if for no other reason why is Hak still here he was still part of the not winning of it. 49 minutes ago, radoran said: YMMV, which is fine Again, if they had been "winning" then the "toxic" atmosphere would have been just fine. Edited December 4, 2018 by radoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, radoran said: Again, if they had been "winning" then the "toxic" atmosphere would have been just fine. And as i just said and you quoted but they weren't so this toxic thing must have been happening because they were losing and yet Hak is still here. I believe in time more of this story about Hextall will come out. And despite it all Hak is on borrowed time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, radoran said: Again, if they had been "winning" then the "toxic" atmosphere would have been just fine. And just in case i wasn't clear i am not denying that IF they would have been winning yeah Hextall would probably still be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: And just in case i wasn't clear i am not denying that IF they would have been winning yeah Hextall would probably still be here. In the end, it's just a matter of degrees and how things are put in order. People will have varying opinions and different ways of looking at it. I'm just not in the "Hextall had to go because he was an awful dictator" camp first. I'm in the "they'd be fine with the awful dictator if they were winning" camp first. Clearly, the "dictator" thing was "a reason" that entered into the calculus of it all. In the end, for speculation's sake, I think they didn't expect Hextall to tell them to go shove it when he was confronted and when he did they were more or less forced to fire him, at which point his "bad points" (which included telling them to "go shove it") were emphasized. They had no plan to replace him and certainly had no plan to replace Hakstol, which is why he's still here. In addition to being "a good guy." Could easily be that Hakstol was smothered by an overbearing general manager who forced him to put Dale Weise on the second line, overplay his goalies, and an Assistant coach who was a spy and fiddled with Hakstol's preferred "system" so the players didn't execute it properly. And if Hakstol had only been allowed to pick his own staff, all of this could have been avoided. That's certainly a possibility. We'll see... And then... https://twitter.com/tpanotchRET/status/1070063382450061312 https://twitter.com/tpanotchRET/status/1070063382450061312 Is there more of a "his guy" out there than the guy who comes out of retirement to take the job because of his longstanding working relationship with "the guy"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 hours ago, radoran said: Were Caps fans happy making the playoffs nine out of ten years before winning the Cup? I would say yes. They thought they had a chance to win every year too. They even made some "rental" trades to do so but that didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, icehole said: I would say yes. They thought they had a chance to win every year too. They even made some "rental" trades to do so but that didn't work out. By Year Nine of the process, there was undoubtedly some concern as to whether they would ever get over the hump - precisely because they had made the trades and coaching changes. It was pretty well reported on even during the Final last season. There was a profound sense of relief throughout the organization and fanbase when they dispatched Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 hours ago, murraycraven said: I would hate to be Fletcher. Guy isn't even in the position 24 hours and he is already a terrible GM. Seems like everyone on this board is a better GM than him already and he is apparently going to destroy this franchise... Welcome to Philly Fletch!!! Now that we've welcomed him, he can get the hell out the same way he came: unemployed and dumber than dog s###. I'm not giving him a chance and can't for the life of me come up with any reason I'm supposed to. #FreeTheFlyers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, pilldoc said: With that said... I have to at least give this guy a shot (I may not like what his track history is), but I have followed this team for way to long a time to give up now..... I promise I will try to be patient Enjoy that. Personally, I'm exhausted from screaming into the wind while people "wait and see" only for it to end up being even worse than I was screaming about. And I'm exhausted from watching people who have no business running something putting people in charge of things who have no business managing their own diary. The whole thing is futile. He's going to gut this thing and within three years we're going to be in cap hell and have a round or two of playoff receipts to show for it, while the lemmings scream, "we're bored, but do the same thing for another 40 years because it's worked so damn well the last 40!" This organization went brain dead when Keith Allen left. Long live the a Kate Smith video! Edited December 4, 2018 by ruxpin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Enjoy that. You my boy Rux we will save a seat up front on the Chuck bandwagon for YOU no worries....take it whenever you are ready. Edited December 4, 2018 by OccamsRazor forgot the most important part...for you bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Enjoy that. Personally, I'm exhausted from screaming into the wind while people "wait and see" only for it to end up being even worse than I was screaming about. And I'm exhausted from watching people who have no business running something putting people in charge of things who have no business managing their own diary. The whole thing is futile. He's going to guy this thing and within three years we're going to be in cap hell and have a round or two of playoff receipts to show for it, while the lemmings scream, "we're bored, but do the same thing for another 40 years because it's worked so damn well the last 40!" This organization went brain dead when Keith Allen left. Long live the a Kate Smith video! I hear ya @ruxpin. I’m willing to go 1 season. It’s either that or I bandwagon jump to another team.... And to be blatantly honest I watch more non Flyer games because of FHL. I totally get your POV....I’m really torn because I love my Flyers but I’m disgusted by the hiring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: You my boy Rux we will save a seat up front on the Chuck bandwagon no worries....take it whenever you are ready. Because I like you, I choose to believe that was an attempt at humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Because I like you, I choose to believe that was an attempt at humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, ruxpin said: I'm not giving him a chance and can't for the life of me come up with any reason I'm supposed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, pilldoc said: I’m willing to go 1 season. Don't bail before they win the Cup next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenrefs Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 hours ago, fan4ever said: I was originally going to thank all of our Wild friends for the insight into our new GM, but now after reading all of this, I think we'll need them to keep us all from jumping off of the Walt Whitman Bridge...... Good Lord! Seems the Walt Whitman bridge has 153 feet of clearance below it, so jumping from it, while risky... The chances of survival aren't completely bleak. Something to consider: Reading about it states there's a $5.00 toll going westbound, but free if going eastbound. If you're going to jump which side is more attractive? Spend 5 bucks, or save 5 bucks? Is one side without a rail? Maybe go that route so as not to sprain an ankle or break a leg before the big launch. I'd throw you (and others) a rope if I knew you wouldn't get all tangled in it. I'm not that handy with knots; so there is that. - Fletcher will say all the right things, like we've said, he's no dummy. But words only go so far (unless he learned something) to make adjustments to his appraisal of players. Over his tenure with the Wild we've debated just about every aspect to 'the team' from players, to coaches, to scouts, staff, the GM and the owner(s.) In print the Wild have always had decent players but where's the push to get them over the top? There were no players in that category. Could they do it by committee? Sure. But the cast of players the Wild have had, there was always 2 or more players who just stunk up the place and it seemed to revolve throughout each season and from one year to the next. Many of you have to keep something in prospective: We're highly critical compared to ordinary fans. Not speaking for everyone there, but I know I'm exceptionally critical when it comes to players not meeting expectations. And when they don't I ask, why is that? What's hindering Coyle's ability to crash the net (one night) like a frikking beast! Then for the next 8-15 games where did that 'nose for the net - total threat' go? Fletcher went through 4 head coaches. Todd Richards, Mike Yeo, John Torchetti and Bruce Boudreau. Richards, I think was booted because certain players wanted him gone and I can't blame them (partway) because he wasn't really all that good as a head coach. Yeo, I never liked. I had hopes but his scrambled egg line changes and refusal to bench lazy players (that made you yank your hair out) can drive any fan insane. Torchetti of course was merely a fill-in for Yeo after he was canned, but he did get certain players motivated (IMO far beyond what Yeo ever did) and after about a 4-6 game evaluation period, things went right back to the same old crap Yeo used to put on the ice (as far as worthless line combinations.) The spark was gone, boring hockey came back, lackluster performances, lazy to complacent skating and zero to no enthusiasm among too many of the players. There were huge glimpses and what emerged was something spectacular... But it went away as fast as it came. Why? With Boudreau it's gotten better... But there's still frustration. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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