My immedate thought, upon reading the title of the thread was "I think you mean to say Bobby Clarke", but figured I would contribute via the Keltner Test. It's not the only way to do this, but it gives a framework, if nothing else.
1. Was he ever commonly thought of as the best player in hockey while he played?
Clarke- Commonly? No, not with guys like Orr in the league.
Giroux- Same answer, but with names like Crosby.
2. Was he ever commonly thought of as the best pla
So I mentioned it in passing in another thread, but I wanted to expand a little bit. I started thinking about it more and looking back at what Giroux has accomplished.
Most people know the stat by now - Giroux is close to Crosby for the most points since 2011/2012. That got me thinking. Crosby is considered to be the best player of the past decade. Some may say he is the best ever. Forget about that for a second, and think about what Giroux has had to work with compared to what
I think at some point the closer you get to the top the more impossible comparisons like these get. So many factors come into play of course, including the style of the game in different eras, as well as linemates as you mentioned.
Still, I've seen way too many people brandishing criticisms against Giroux of late on this forum. I just can't understand it for a minute. Yeah, the team is doing poorly, but that has nothing to do with Giroux imo. He's not even in the top rung of reasons
Lindros - most naturally physically dominant player
Clarke - greatest leader and captain
Giroux - most highly skilled.
However, I still say, although I'm in the minority that the most important piece to those Cup teams was Bernie. Without him, we don't have a Stanley Cup in our entire history. I almost want to say that we could have won one of those 2 Cups without Clarke, but I won't say it. I'll type it.
I just wanna say that lost in a thread like this is what a great playmaking center Bobby Clarke was. Everybody knows how hard he worked, his leadership, his guts and grit. And the best face-off guy ever (I don't even think it's close to be honest).
But the guy could pass a puck. I've said it before and will say it again, who is the last center to have a drunk right winger score 60 goals? Don't @ me.
For me, it's Giroux and it's not even close.
Lindros is 2nd.
I didn't watch Clarke or Parent play because, well, I wasn't born, so I can't possibly have a comment based only on stats.
Giroux is the most talented and complete player I've ever watched on the Flyers.
If Giroux wasn't on this team, there would really be no reason to watch until someone else actually put on his big boy pants and took charge.
Giroux does that. Ev