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Lunatic

Has Scott Gordon done enough to be retained at the Flyers Head Coach for the 2019-2020 Season?

Who should the next Coach of the Flyers be?  

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  1. 1. Who should the next Coach of the Flyers be?

  2. 2. Has Scott Gordon done enough to be retained as the Flyers Head Coach for the 2019-2020 Season?



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Just now, Lunatic said:

I was never a fan of Scott Gordon, however, his and the Flyers performance since he took over as interim coach has been really solid. He is using younger players, his line/player adjustments during the game have ben adroit. Additionally he not afraid of calling a time-out! All in all, I think that he deserves the title of Head Coach. I know Q's still out there, but Gordon has done an excellent job. 

 

I completely agree.  I fully expect the Flyers to sign him a contract at the end of the season.

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I agree with Lunatic's assessment.  If they don't sign him my season's end, we can expect a Quenneville type.  But we've seen some good results since he's been behind the bench.  

 

 

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While I agree, is Q a better coach? Yes.  If they can get Q then you say thanks to Gordon and hire Q regardless of what happens.  

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2 hours ago, Digityman said:

While I agree, is Q a better coach? Yes.  If they can get Q then you say thanks to Gordon and hire Q regardless of what happens.  

 

I really think this is what you have to do. Q doesn't come available often. I think with that said Philly could be his last gig.

 

I think you have to go get him and hope all his experience will be what this club needs. And the offseason is the time to do it.

 

Gordon has done some good things and there are something he needs work on. I mean he is still learning himself on the job.

 

I don't think the Flyers can afford to let him go somewhere else. Need to strike while the iron is hot.

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14 hours ago, hf101 said:

 

I completely agree.  I fully expect the Flyers to sign him a contract at the end of the season.

 

didnt we go thru this before with stevens, berube, hak?  i mean it's great that he's getting these younger players better but sometimes coaches like these just arent good enough to get them over the hump,  i mean are you saying q cant and gordon will? gordon couldnt get the phantoms in the calder cup finals, it's the same with hak. i just want a coach that get this team over the hump that knows how to win cups, gordon wont. gordon is at best developing young players that's it.

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I don't want to keep Gordon.

 

Gordon, in my opinion, has done a tremendous job.  But they were very clear when they brought him up that it would be interim.  I don't think he has the expectation of staying up.  He does a pretty good job in Lehigh, and I would prefer to send him back there. 

 

Nothing against Gordon.  Like I said, he's done a tremendous job, especially given the circumstances.   But I think the organization is better-served by his going back to Lehigh and having strength there and then bringing in strength to the NHL club.

 

Now, if there are no suitable candidates I would not be opposed to Gordon staying with the big club.  It's just not my first choice.

 

I don't actually have a name for my first choice.  I'm expecting them to go after Q like an orange cheese puff goes after a porn star.  I'm not entirely convinced he's the way to go.  Maybe.  He did okay in Chicago while they were still kids so my main "does he do okay with kids?" concern maybe isn't warranted.  If he's game for that at this stage of his career, then by all means.  But if he's to the point where he wants to go with vets at the expense of kids, then I'm not so sure he's the route I want to go.

 

Gordon, I think, has coached his way into the conversation.  I just think I prefer him in the Lehigh HC role.

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Who's Joe Quenneville? Any relation to Joel? :bigteeth:

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To be fair to Fletcher, he should be allowed to choose "his guy". He was thrown into the deep end mid-season and told he better make some things happen. 

I don't know who would be "his guy", of course Quennville would be everyone's ideal candidate, but does he still care ?

My worry with Quennville would be he's "not that into it" and would rather be doing rail shots at Wrigley Field. 

 

I think the roster and prospects make this job attractive I think the Comcast bankroll makes it nearly impossible to pass up.

 

I also think Gordon has been good for this group, and he's been great at trusting his guys from LHV to be good NHL players. 6 and 23 have really reacted positively to more ice time and increased roles. 

I think the Flyers could certainly do worse than removing the interim tag from Gordon.

Does he accept the "demotion" to LHV ?

Does another team see the job he did and think by golly that there's a bonafied NHL coach ?

 

My instinct says Fletcher hires "his guy" and as long as it isn't Mike Yeo, I think I'll be okay with his decision because I think he deserves to set up the team the way he sees it being most successful .

 

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I mean it's a really tough call.  I think he's likely got an NHL job someplace next year even if it's not with the Flyers.

 

What I can't shake is that Chief now has the Blues clicking pretty well too (though not quite as well as the Flyers have been) and no one is ever going to convince me that he's a good coach.  Is that team just pretty damn good and Yeo was just that damn bad (kinda like Hakstol?)

 

And if so, what does that say about Gordon?  Not evidence that he's bad, but it is evidence that their success isn't necessarily just because he's good. 

 

If the Flyers somehow pull off the playoffs (which is still almost but not quite completely impossible) and they literally make history, I can't see how they don't give him the job.

 

But is Quennville really the guy though?  

 

HOF coach.  

 

Still... I honestly can't help but feel like his approach wouldn't entirely fly in Philly... no pun intended.  

 

Will the gravitas associated with his resume extend to being able to negotiate and frankly (complain) his way to favorable calls in Philly like it did in Chicago?

 

Is he adaptable?  Was Chicago's fall off due mostly to the aging of leadership or was he unable to keep up with a changing NHL or adapt to an aging leadership?

 

It's hard not to feel like a gentleman's agreement was in place.  That Q wanted to take the rest of the year off and that he was likely to start taking offers when the season was over.  

 

I honestly just don't know.  I have to admit that it takes me a lot of watching and sussing out to figure out what I think of a coach.  

 

It's a really tough call for me.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, vis said:

He merits serious consideration to have the interim tag removed.  Still think the upper management will want a "name" coach.  I'm not opposed to interviewing others, but I would be opposed to excluding Gordon from any consideration.

 

Either way, it's a win for Gordon.  This stint has probably earned him another shot in the NHL, whether it's with the Flyers or another team.

 

The thing is, if the Flyers somehow pull off a playoff berth, he will be a name coach.

Even as things are, the chances are extremely high that he's done enough that someone will hire him full time as you say.  

 

I just wish he hadn't played Hart so many damn games in a row.  This is a black spot on his record for me as I watched Chief do it to Mason to ill effect and later watched Hakstol do it to... well everyone. 

 

I don't like it and Carter got hurt as a result... if in fact he is hurt and they're not just using a little soreness to play roster roulette... which who knows?

 

 

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6 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I really think this is what you have to do. Q doesn't come available often. I think with that said Philly could be his last gig.

 

I think you have to go get him and hope all his experience will be what this club needs. And the offseason is the time to do it.

 

Gordon has done some good things and there are something he needs work on. I mean he is still learning himself on the job.

 

I don't think the Flyers can afford to let him go somewhere else. Need to strike while the iron is hot.

 

I don't know how to keep Gordon in a friendly place with the organization if you do this, but I think you do if you can.  

Treat him as well as possible and maybe even help him get the next gig.  

 

I'm not sure why, but I can't help feeling like letting him go will bite us in the rear soon enough.

 

Did he get his bumps out of the way with those relatively terrible Islanders teams (Rookie Tavares notwithstanding) ?

 

Is he the real deal now?  Let's see how things go with these injuries to Jake and Patty. How does he maneuver?  How does he compensate? So far, from where I'm sitting, he's making a lot of great decisions and a lot of great moves.

 

Those who pay attention to the names on these posts will remember that I've been advocating the moves Gordon has made more than the advent of Carter Hart as the reason for the turn around.  Although both came to the Flyers around the same time (I wonder if they shared an Uber), the results with Hart were mostly mixed until Gordon started implementing the 1-3-1 and the D zone positioning changes.  He also started sitting Weise and Lehtera pretty commonly (probably triggering their dismissal by Fletcher) and giving Sanheim a ton more minutes while limiting Mac.  There were even rumors of Mac sitting outright against the first placed Islanders and as it was, he only played 10 minutes which for a D man is nutz.  

 

All that said... It's Joel Quennville.  

 

5 trips to the conference finals in 7 years, 3 Cups.  It was a great team he had... but he knew what to do with them.

 

It's a tough call for me.  I don't think you can go too far wrong with Quennville though.  I think that's the safer bet.  

 

Ultimately, with Gordon, I'm reminded of Craig Ramsay (who I'm still not sure was given a decent shot).  If things don't start HOT for Gordon, I don't want them firing him and replacing him with Lappy or Kjell or someone just because he's around.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, King Knut said:

I don't know how to keep Gordon in a friendly place with the organization if you do this, but I think you do if you can.  

Treat him as well as possible and maybe even help him get the next gig.  

 

I don't either.

 

UNLESS, that was the deal going in.   "Scott, would you be willing to go up and sort things out and hold down the fort for the rest of the year?   If you lose 40 straight or win the Cup, it's only the rest of this year; we have a verbal agreement with Q but he's just not ready to take the reigns mid-season."

 

That head's up may actually work even without the Q part.

 

But unless there was that prior statement of expectation/arrangement, I don't know how you throw him  back to the AHL without a problem, unless that's maybe where he really wants to be.  Who knows?  Maybe he's just really happy and content with that gig.

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20 minutes ago, King Knut said:

I don't know how to keep Gordon in a friendly place with the organization if you do this, but I think you do if you can.  

Treat him as well as possible and maybe even help him get the next gig. 

 

I don't how to either. I would like him to go back to the Phantoms.

 

However after being a head coach again he may want that somewhere else. And i can't blame him if he does.

 

22 minutes ago, King Knut said:

I'm not sure why, but I can't help feeling like letting him go will bite us in the rear soon enough.

 

I'm glad you said it so i didn't have to. I can't help but feel this way as well.

 

I wish i didn't but something about the allure of a name with Cups i think will have the front office in a frenzy if they don't make the playoffs trying to NOT get beat by another team for his services.

 

And if they chose wrong there is no getting it back with this team if another year or two is wasted if Q comes in and stinks it up.

 

I really really am glad i don't have to make the call on it i just get to sit back and complain in a year or two.

 

I hope i am being over paranoid and it all goes well with whomever they chose.

 

No matter what Giroux, JVR and Jake's prime is ticking away.

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2 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

I don't either.

 

UNLESS, that was the deal going in.   "Scott, would you be willing to go up and sort things out and hold down the fort for the rest of the year?   If you lose 40 straight or win the Cup, it's only the rest of this year; we have a verbal agreement with Q but he's just not ready to take the reigns mid-season."

 

That head's up may actually work even without the Q part.

 

But unless there was that prior statement of expectation/arrangement, I don't know how you throw him  back to the AHL without a problem, unless that's maybe where he really wants to be.  Who knows?  Maybe he's just really happy and content with that gig.

 

 

I actually think that makes a lot of sense based on Gordon's demeanor.  Frankly he seems pretty cool and casual about the whole thing.

 

Long story short though, I don't think there's any sending him back to the AHL and my point about keeping him close is that when he gets a job with another team (almost inevitably a crappy team looking for a hail mary from a coach) Keep the departure on the best terms possible so when that team fires him for not being able to work a miracle you can potentially bring him back if Q doesn't work out or (hopefully) if he decides to retire after a cup or two.

 

I think Gordon is someone's head coach next year and that someone is most likely an NHL team... though I could see the US National team or someone taking a crack with him if he doesn't settle right away.  

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10 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

...the AHL...unless that's maybe where he really wants to be.  Who knows?  Maybe he's just really happy and content with that gig.

 

I've never been to Leigh Valley, PA, - I'm sure it's a nice enuff place - but are you out of your friggin' mind!!

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7 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

I've never been to Leigh Valley, PA, - I'm sure it's a nice enuff place - but are you out of your friggin' mind!!

 

If you HAD ever been to Lehigh Valley, you would have been stronger after the hyphen.

 

Seriously, though, and not about Lehigh.  He may have decided he likes working with the kids.  Some people are elementary school teachers, some are high school. Some are college.   

 

Personally, my question is "which one pays more?"  But it's possible he gets some personal fulfillment out of it.

 

It's also possible I'm out of my friggin' mind.  I don't think so, though, because the several voices all say I'm not.

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5 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

It's also possible I'm out of my friggin' mind.  I don't think so, though, because the several voices all say I'm not.

 

Voices could be wrong!

 

I've been spelling Lehigh wrong all this time!!

 

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13 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

are you out of your friggin' mind!!

 

Is there any doubt to this...hopefully you didn't just come to this with his response... :D

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1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Is there any doubt to this...hopefully you didn't just come to this with his response... :D

 

Shhh.  Apparently not everyone knows yet.

 

And no one likes a snitch!

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2 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Shhh.  Apparently not everyone knows yet.

 

And no one likes a snitch!

 

Your and rad's secret is safe with me... :thumbsu:

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2 hours ago, King Knut said:

 

The thing is, if the Flyers somehow pull off a playoff berth, he will be a name coach.

Probably right.  But I wouldn't put anything past Dave Scott.

 

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

I just wish he hadn't played Hart so many damn games in a row.  This is a black spot on his record for me as I watched Chief do it to Mason to ill effect and later watched Hakstol do it to... well everyone. 

Would have been nice for them to manage him a bit better.

 

At some point, do you question how the staff takes care of its goalies between games?  I mean, there are a number of workhorse goalies around the league.  Is there something they can be doing better in the training room?  Not trying to lay blame on the training staff.  Just wondering if the organization in general needs to re-think anything.

 

 

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Gordon had an easy job to do taking over for Hak - play your good players more and play your bad players less, which is what he's done. If you look at the team as a whole, they still get routinely outshot, they still get routinely outplayed by the opposition, the PP still stinks and the PK is still awful. Gordon has also done the Hak thing by running a goalie into the ground until they're hurt (see Hart, Carter). Nope, I want a full on house cleaning with regards to the coaches and coaching staff in both Philadelphia and Lehigh Valley. As I mentioned in another thread, the Flyers desperately need full cohesion in that the coach in Lehigh Valley is using the same system and terminology as the coach in Philadelphia. That way, when players are called up, they know what to expect and can contribute right away.

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