brelic Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 None of the trade scenarios I’ve read so far in the thread make any sense for Marner. We’re not dealing with Chiarelli here. And we no longer have Hard Bargain Hexy in charge. The current braintrusts - Dubas vs Fletch - does not tip in our favour. If a deal happens, be prepared to initially shake your head. If we get Marner, we won’t like what goes the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, brelic said: None of the trade scenarios I’ve read so far in the thread make any sense for Marner. We’re not dealing with Chiarelli here. And we no longer have Hard Bargain Hexy in charge. The current braintrusts - Dubas vs Fletch - does not tip in our favour. If a deal happens, be prepared to initially shake your head. If we get Marner, we won’t like what goes the other way. Without a doubt you are quite accurate here. I can't help but agree. That said, get off my cloud! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 45 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Without a doubt you are quite accurate here. I can't help but agree. That said, get off my cloud! LOL Lol sorry buddy! It is nice up there in the clouds It could very well be a great hockey trade but we probably won’t like it. Johansen for Jones was a good hockey trade. Nashville had a top caliber blueline already and Columbus got a great building block at the expense of a high quality forward. Sanheim for Marner or even Provorov for Marner would be completely fair. But we’d go bonkers lol. Marner is much better than Johansen, and Jones is better than Provorov and Sanheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 I wouldn't make the move for Marner. $12 million to sink on one player plus the assets required to acquire him is massive. The one forward from Toronto that I'd love in Philadelphia would be Kasperi Kapanen and I think he could be had and it wouldn't cost Provorov or Sanheim. The question is, could the fan base live with giving up Gostisbehere or Meyers for him? I'd have no problems with Gostisbehere, especially because you know the brain trust isn't sold on Gostisbehere and that he's more than likely the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 If you offer sheet for Kapanen, Toronto cant afford to match and tie up $ they need for Marner, so all we have to give up are draft picks. If they wanted to work out a deal , instead of draft picks I wouldn't give them Meyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 4:54 PM, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: I wouldn't make the move for Marner. $12 million to sink on one player plus the assets required to acquire him is massive. The one forward from Toronto that I'd love in Philadelphia would be Kasperi Kapanen and I think he could be had and it wouldn't cost Provorov or Sanheim. The question is, could the fan base live with giving up Gostisbehere or Meyers for him? I'd have no problems with Gostisbehere, especially because you know the brain trust isn't sold on Gostisbehere and that he's more than likely the odd man out. I'm with you on this. Love Kapanen. And yeah, if it took Ghost, so be it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 4 hours ago, RonJeremy said: If you offer sheet for Kapanen, Toronto cant afford to match and tie up $ they need for Marner, so all we have to give up are draft picks. If they wanted to work out a deal , instead of draft picks I wouldn't give them Meyers. Yeah, I'm not giving up Myers. Could be arguably fair price for Kapanen, but I'm not doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 4 hours ago, RonJeremy said: If you offer sheet for Kapanen, Toronto cant afford to match and tie up $ they need for Marner, so all we have to give up are draft picks. If they wanted to work out a deal , instead of draft picks I wouldn't give them Meyers. Ah so it begins....... #ScrapTheCap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 hours ago, WordsOfWisdom said: Ah so it begins....... #ScrapTheCap Hey you had to know it was coming. Should have trade Nylander when you had a chance last summer... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I think the Flyers should see what Brock Nelson wants in a deal... ....i think he would be a good start some of the other may want to much. He can play center or LW. Nelson could too. Isles may not let him leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 20 hours ago, RonJeremy said: If you offer sheet for Kapanen, Toronto cant afford to match and tie up $ they need for Marner, so all we have to give up are draft picks. If they wanted to work out a deal , instead of draft picks I wouldn't give them Meyers. I dig how Machiavellian you are, screw working with them, f them over and then f them some more. Call Chuck, tell him you're here to help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Ha ha , thanks. I have no problem negotiating with Toronto, we can say were gonna offer sheet Kapenan, do you want to work out a deal? But they are in no position to control negotiations, so we will be the ones to dictate the terms. I'm not saying we will rip them off, but I would rather give them a player or our 2020 pick rather than the 11th pick or Meyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 i'll deal with the oilers to pry rnh away and maybe pry darnell nurse or adam larsson away, if holland accepts the job, he'll want to give away youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/3/2019 at 8:00 PM, ruxpin said: I'm with you on this. Love Kapanen. And yeah, if it took Ghost, so be it. Ghost put up more points in 2017-2018 than Kapanen has in his career. Almost did it in his rookie season. Even on an admittedly down season, he only had 7 fewer points than Kapanen. As a defenseman. I'm just saying. Offer sheet him at 4.2 million for 5 years. I'll gladly give up a second for him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) Let me follow up on that with: Hell, sign Johnsson to one too. One at 4.2 (top of the 2nd round pick compensation) and the other for 4.5 or something (1st and 3rd). You're basically assured of getting one, as Toronto only has ~17 million in off-season cap space to work with, and even less actual cap space once the season starts. If you want to play nice, offer to take the last year of Marleau off their hands for the price of one of the two. There should be no reason to trade anything of significant value to get what you want from Toronto. Edited May 5, 2019 by AJgoal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 @AJgoal @RonJeremy Get yourselves in the room with Fletcher boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I'll add one more piece around Kapanen (whom I love as a player): You are essentially trading for a 3rd line RW. Konecny is younger and has outproduced Kapanen. He's not come anywhere Voracek's production. That needs to be taken into consideration as well when evaluating the price you are paying to get him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, AJgoal said: I'll add one more piece around Kapanen (whom I love as a player): You are essentially trading for a 3rd line RW. Konecny is younger and has outproduced Kapanen. He's not come anywhere Voracek's production. That needs to be taken into consideration as well when evaluating the price you are paying to get him. Kapanen at 22 is essentially where Voracek was at 22. At that point in his career Voracek hadn't come anywhere near to "Voracek"'s production, either... And Voracek wouldn't outpace "Ghost"'s production - shortened season excepted - for 2-3 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 5 hours ago, radoran said: Kapanen at 22 is essentially where Voracek was at 22. At that point in his career Voracek hadn't come anywhere near to "Voracek"'s production, either... And Voracek wouldn't outpace "Ghost"'s production - shortened season excepted - for 2-3 more years. Exactly. I'm not trying to compare Kapanen to either Jake or Konecny, but the potential is there. I don't know. I'd definitely consider trading Ghost (a 3rd pair, pp specialist dman) for Kapanen. His numbers this year were comparable to Konecny's and his role was odd. I don't think I'd just think about it. I think I'd do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ruxpin said: Exactly. I'm not trying to compare Kapanen to either Jake or Konecny, but the potential is there. I don't know. I'd definitely consider trading Ghost (a 3rd pair, pp specialist dman) for Kapanen. His numbers this year were comparable to Konecny's and his role was odd. I don't think I'd just think about it. I think I'd do it. I can't say I know too much about Kapanen. I haven't watched him much, nor have I heard much about him. So it's hard for me to say. I will say this though, if Ghost is involved, we better be getting a top six guy back. He's worth that much in this league. If we trade for someone who caps out on the third and fourth line, it'll mean we've likely lost the deal. I don't dislike trading Ghost mind you. I've mentioned it here before. I don't know that I'd shop him around mind you. I'm pretty worried Fletch is going to undersell him in the off season actually. I'm not very trusting of Fletch's trade savvy. Edited May 6, 2019 by elmatus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I do like Andrea's Johnson a lot. Kid is just 24 and is very fast. If Oskar can get to where he is at I will be happy he won't ever skate as well as he does but he is bigger though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, elmatus said: I can't say I know too much about Kapanen. I haven't watched him much, nor have I heard much about him. So it's hard for me to say. I will say this though, if Ghost is involved, we better be getting a top six guy back. He's worth that much in this league. If we trade for someone who caps out on the third and fourth line, it'll mean we've likely lost the deal. I don't dislike trading Ghost mind you. I've mentioned it here before. I don't know that I'd shop him around mind you. I'm pretty worried Fletch is going to undersell him in the off season actually. I'm not very trusting of Fletch's trade savvy. Exactly this. I want a surefire top 6 player in return for Ghost (or Ghost+). We have enough middle six guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, brelic said: Exactly this. I want a surefire top 6 player in return for Ghost (or Ghost+). We have enough middle six guys. It has to be a a awesome return before I just give up on him. His contract is very team friendly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Defensemen who put up 65 points don't grow on trees....let's not be so quick to Justin William's or Patrick Sharp the guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: It has to be a a awesome return before I just give up on him. His contract is very team friendly. That's the thing. Trading Ghost doesn't have to mean the organization "gave up" on him. You can have smart hockey trades that are just smart hockey trades. It's not always about being down on a player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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