flyercanuck Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yeah, maybe. It's hard to tell what's going on inside their heads. But the difference between our two points of view is that you think it's a conscious decision (i.e. thanks for the contract, suckers) whereas I think it has more to do with the passion and fortitude that they have for the game and for being the best they can be. I'm sure if you would tell Carter or JVR that they don't seem to care about playing hockey, you would probably get some blank stares. They don't know any other way... they are doing exactly what they think they ought to be doing. But they just don't have the same mental and physical push that some others have that brings them to the next level. This I agree with. I'm not saying JVR shows up and thinks he's going to dog it. He just goes out there and dogs it. It's not planned, it's just how he plays. Maybe he needs to drink some coffee before the game, or do what you do with kids...feed them M&Ms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanc Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 doesn't have *quite* the same release, but holy crap i can't believe how just precise his aim is. that's, what, 4 games in a row he has lasered the puck into holes far side top corner? i don't know i've seen a single high-and-wide.kid's got amazing stuff.It's worth noting that at this point in the season, Coutourier has just one fewer point than Carter (16 to 17 pts).It's also worth noting that there is a 21 point differential between their plus/minus (Carter is -9, Couturier is +12). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexy27 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It's also worth noting that there is a 21 point differential between their plus/minus (Carter is -9, Couturier is +12).That is the most telling statistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 That is the most telling statistic! Well, not really. Rick Nash is -20. Johnny Boychuk is +23. Who's better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Well, not really.Rick Nash is -20. Johnny Boychuk is +23. Who's better?BOYCHUK! Sign him now to 9 years while he's hot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 @brelic Too young. Guys not even thirty for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexy27 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well, not really.Rick Nash is -20. Johnny Boychuk is +23. Who's better?They should play Nash with Carter. Then he would only be a -9! (Btw I am being sarcastic with everything I posted in this thread). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo 47 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 @brelicIt's amazing how some guys play the game at full speed yet some can be just as effective slowing it down and thinking it out. He's definately got that hockey sense going on.And that is what truly makes a player special (the ones capable of slowing things down). You see that with Giroux with his speed and and stop and start ability. I see glimpses of that with Couts with his hockey sense which is really off the charts. What he might lack in flat out speed he makes up for in "knowing" where the play is going, anticipating and being there on time.We are seeing why he was the top ranked junior player going into his draft year. Fortunately for us he suffered mono and it impacted his game enough to drop to the 8th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The part I don't get (about him dropping) is he STILL had the most ppg of any junior. To me, for a guy who is as defensively sound as Couturier is, it hard to imagine seven teams passed by on him when he was elite at everything but skating.. I can see Edmonton for RNH. I can see someone wanting Landeskogs grit and NHL readiness. Or Huberdeaus "Wow" factor. But the Devils, Isles, Sens and Jets must all be shaking their heads. They all got good players, no doubt. But Couturier has been thought of a a special player for a few years now. I really wanted Philly to get Hamilton. I was disappointed we didn't. But when I saw who had fallen to us, I couldn't believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 It's worth noting that at this point in the season, Coutourier has just one fewer point than Carter (16 to 17 pts).It's also worth noting that there is a 21 point differential between their plus/minus (Carter is -9, Couturier is +12).In fairness, Carter has played like 12 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 In fairness, Carter has played like 12 games.In fairness, you're incorrect. Carter has played in 30 games, Couturier has played in 40.A notable difference in number of games played, but Carter also averages about 8 minutes more of ice time PER GAME. Cater has played about 600 minutes this year (30 games * 20 TOI), Couturier has played est 480 (40 * 12 TOI).It ain't the number of games that explains the difference, I'm afraid.Not to mention, Carter also plays on a top line and seldom on the PK. Couturier plays on a fourth line and a lot of his time is on the PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 In fairness, you're incorrect. Carter has played in 30 games, Couturier has played in 40.A notable difference in number of games played, but Carter also averages about 8 minutes more of ice time PER GAME. Cater has played about 600 minutes this year (30 games * 20 TOI), Couturier has played est 480 (40 * 12 TOI).It ain't the number of games that explains the difference, I'm afraid.Not to mention, Carter also plays on a top line and seldom on the PK. Couturier plays on a fourth line and a lot of his time is on the PK.Clearly I was using hyperbole. But Carter has played a lot of those games still injured. He is a better offensive player than couturier is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I really wanted Philly to get Hamilton. I was disappointed we didn't. But when I saw who had fallen to us, I couldn't believe it.I was like "pleeeeeeezzzzzeeee Homer, draft Hamilton!" Now I'm like, "Dougie Who?" I had no idea Cooter was this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Here's some interesting stats from behindthenet.ca that was posted on another board.Sean Couturier's current P/60 for 5 on 5 play: 2.64 (highest among rookies, 25th in the entire NHL)Other leading rookies:RNH:2.02Matt Read: 2.44Adam Henrique: 2.14Cody Hodgson: 1.91Gabriel Landeskog: 1.37Craig Smith: 1.57Ryan Johansen: 1.56Centers who finished 2010-2011 with better P/60 rates than Couturier currently has going:Crosby: 3.98Henrik Sedin: 2.78Danny Briere: 2.77David Krejci: 2.76Pavel Datsyuk: 2.72 Steven Stamkos: 2.71Claude Giroux: 2.69Anze Kopitar: 2.68Rookies who finished 2010-2011 with better P/60 rates:NONELast rookie to post a better P/60 than Couturier for a full season: NONE (dating back to the 07-08 season) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Clearly I was using hyperbole. But Carter has played a lot of those games still injured. He is a better offensive player than couturier is right now.Well, I'm certainly not going to get into an overall debate as to whether Couturier is a better offensive player than Carter, that's for sure. Couturier has played less than half a season at the pro level, while Carter... well, 46 goals in a year speaks for itself.The original post to this thread was that Couturier was the anti-Carter, meaning that Couturier's shots are picking the targets as compared to Jeff "High and Wide" Carter. It's anectdotal, but I would have to agree with that opinion.At 19, Couturier's looking like he has a pretty good future in the NHL. If we were to look at the trade, as far as this year is concerned, Homer came out on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 He is a better offensive player than couturier is right now.I always tried not to be a Carter basher but I don't know that I'd completely agree with that statement. Carter is probably a better goal scorer now, but Couturier is a better playmaker and has a much higher hockey IQ. He uses his team mates better than I've ever seen Carter do. Couturier is doing what he's doing playing on the 4th line playing with the likes of Jody Shelley. Comparing them right now doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I'll take Couturier over Carter any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Couturier is also sitting at a 15.4 shooting percentage, about 5 percentage points higher than Carter. Carter's running about 5% better in the faceoff circle, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was like "pleeeeeeezzzzzeeee Homer, draft Hamilton!" Now I'm like, "Dougie Who?" I had no idea Cooter was this good. I didn't see the draft. When I found out we didn't take Hamilton I was so pissed off. I figured Couturier would have went top 3 or 4. Great break for Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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