Trade: Gudas traded for Niskanen

[mojo1917]

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

 I was certainly one of the ones not too happy with getting Fletcher as a gm (as you well know). As mentioned, his tenure in Minnesota was all we had to judge him on. He left that franchise a total wreck, with plenty of bad contracts signed for long term and a lousy farm system. I don't understand how you could look at him any other way.

I'll help you.

The ownership in Minnesota was/is very Jerry Jones-esque. 

Have you read any of the Wild posters here ?...they all hate the owner. 

They put the Parise/Suter contracts squarely on Leiopold's shoulders.

 

I know he traded Burns for Coyle (essentially) and made some other questionable calls. 
I think though, much like Paul Holmgren feeling pressure to win before Ed Snider died (real or perceived) I think there was a fair amount of meddling and being  told what to do, I don't know how many of the moves especially later in his tenure were A, trying to keep his job B. forced because he had 21 million AAV in two declining players. 

 

For example they're still sending out the bad Koivu as their top line centerman and Chuck's been here for over a year. Not everything in Minnesota was his idea. 

[flyercanuck]

2 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I'll help you.

The ownership in Minnesota was/is very Jerry Jones-esque. 

Have you read any of the Wild posters here ?...they all hate the owner. 

They put the Parise/Suter contracts squarely on Leiopold's shoulders.

 

I know he traded Burns for Coyle (essentially) and made some other questionable calls. 
I think though, much like Paul Holmgren feeling pressure to win before Ed Snider died (real or perceived) I think there was a fair amount of meddling and being  told what to do, I don't know how many of the moves especially later in his tenure were A, trying to keep his job B. forced because he had 21 million AAV in two declining players. 

 

For example they're still sending out the bad Koivu as their top line centerman and Chuck's been here for over a year. Not everything in Minnesota was his idea. 

 

 Take a look at his drafting. It's bad. Not leagues worst bad. But Koivu is STILL your top line centre bad. 5 of their top 7 scorers are over 30 bad. EVERYBODY has them near the bottom of the best prospects in the league bad. 

 

 So there's also that. If the owner is doing the drafting as well that isn't a huge feather in his cap either.

 

 I hope he does better in Philly. He's off to a good start. I'm hoping it continues. 

 

[mojo1917]

2 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 Take a look at his drafting. It's bad. Not leagues worst bad. But Koivu is STILL your top line centre bad. 5 of their top 7 scorers are over 30 bad. EVERYBODY has them near the bottom of the best prospects in the league bad. 

 

 So there's also that. If the owner is doing the drafting as well that isn't a huge feather in his cap either.

 

 I hope he does better in Philly. He's off to a good start. I'm hoping it continues. 

 

I think the Flyers scouts are better, to my knowledge he and the nature boy haven't brought any of their guys with them for that function.

 

Again what was he being told to do ?  

 

But yes, he missed A. Lot.  Can't reasonably say otherwise. So far he's done pretty well here. 

 

It appears as though people have learned from their previous experience.

I will say this about Dave Scott too, he seems to be leaving Chuck alone, when he walked down the hall to Hextall's office it didn't go well. So  perhaps everyone has taken advantage of their opportunity for improvement. 

 

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

I was certainly one of the ones not too happy with getting Fletcher as a gm (as you well know). As mentioned, his tenure in Minnesota was all we had to judge him on. He left that franchise a total wreck, with plenty of bad contracts signed for long term and a lousy farm system. I don't understand how you could look at him any other way.

 

I was right alongside of you.  And vocal.   But so far, I don't really have anything to complain about in terms of personnel moves -- players or coaches.    Some have been terrific, others okay. But none I would view negatively at this point.    

 

The bolded above is also what my negativity was based on.  And I agree that's all we have to go on.  History as prelude, and all that rot.

But then there's Berube who couldn't coach a dog to eat or #### in Philly winning a Stanley Cup with the Blues.

 

So, here's my question with the bolded--and it's very likely too early to draw any definitive conclusions:   How much of the bolded was ownership?   I'm just wondering what of the craziness in Minny was him and how much of the craziness was following orders.    And how much was Russian meddling.

[radoran]

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

For example they're still sending out the bad Koivu as their top line centerman

 

Well, they're not, actually. Dailyfaceoff has him as 4th line (and his production seems to back that up). He's not listed on PP1 or PP2, either.

 

But ol' Fletch was absolutely not behind the Parise/Suter deals. And thank Leipold for that as Homer was going hard after them...

 

[radoran]

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

But Koivu is STILL your top line centre bad

 

Eric Staal says

[radoran]

11 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

But then there's Berube who couldn't coach a dog to eat or #### in Philly winning a Stanley Cup with the Blues.

 

The Blues were two years removed from a Conference Final and added Ryan O'Reilly to the roster. That's where "a Berube type" can come in - midseason - and settle the ship down.

 

He didn't have anything like that in Philadelphia. I mean, he did take the Cup Finalist Rangers to 7 games and that was a Good Sign, but... well... y'know...

 

 

 

[flyercanuck]

25 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Eric Staal says

 

And at 34 leading the Wild in points. Good for him...not so good for Fletchs' drafting repertoire.

[radoran]

18 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

not so good for Fletchs' drafting repertoire.

 

I get it, but it only goes so far. Remember, I come not to praise ol' Fletch but to bury him...

 

First rounders:
Nick Leddy D
Mikael Granlund C

Jonas Brodin D

Zack Phillips (28th - never played an NHL game) C

Matt Dumba D

No 2013 pick

Alex Tuch D

Joel Eriksson Ek C

Luke Kunin C

No 2018 1st or 2nd

 

It's by no means a great record, but Eriksson Ek (20th overall) is centering the second line at 23 and Kunin (15th overall) has played parts of three seasons at 22 and there really isn't a first round center after either of them that you could say he "missed" on.

 

Clearly the Wild were building from the back-end during this period and were relying - for better or worse - on Koivu as their #1C. Most of those mid-first-round D guys were serviceable or better. Granlund has a couple of 65+ point seasons for them and I honestly don't understand the deal for Fiala (and that wasn't Fletch).

 

In the end, the Wild were a "competitive" team with a "make the playoffs and anything can happen" mentality who took two big, bad swings on UFAs and it only took them so far.

 

Those things can happen in this league... Just ask Ron Hextall.

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Don't forget that one of the other things Fletcher had working against him in Minnesota was the scouting staff. Let's be honest about this - the Flyers have one of, if not, the best scouting staff in the NHL. I get that Hextall gets a lot of credit for rebuilding the farm system, but let's not forget that he had a lot of help from the scouting staff. Fletcher is a lot of things, but being a fool isn't one of them. Same with Nature Boy Brent Flahr. Having a great scouting staff makes their job incredibly easy. I don't see why that would change.

 

[CoachX]

6 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Don't forget that one of the other things Fletcher had working against him in Minnesota was the scouting staff. Let's be honest about this - the Flyers have one of, if not, the best scouting staff in the NHL. I get that Hextall gets a lot of credit for rebuilding the farm system, but let's not forget that he had a lot of help from the scouting staff. Fletcher is a lot of things, but being a fool isn't one of them. Same with Nature Boy Brent Flahr. Having a great scouting staff makes their job incredibly easy. I don't see why that would change.

 

How exactly do the Flyers have one of the best scouting staffs? If that were true you would think it would result in star players leading a team to continued playoff runs and championships.

 

Unless I missed something, that has not happened

 

However, I see your point if you count players the Flyers have drafted that went on to win cups with other teams

[Podein25]

6 minutes ago, CoachX said:

If that were true you would think it would result in star players leading a team to continued playoff runs and championships.

 

Remember when Homer traded away every 2nd round pick he had and some he didn't have? Hard for scouts to do much when they don't have picks with which to pick players.

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by Podein25

[flyercanuck]

15 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Don't forget that one of the other things Fletcher had working against him in Minnesota was the scouting staff.

 

 

He was GM there for 9 years. If the scouting staff wasn't very good, shouldn't he have done something about it in NINE years?

[CoachX]

1 minute ago, Podein25 said:

 

Remember when Homer traded away every 2nd round pick he had and some he didn't have? Hard for scouts to do much when they don't have picks with which to pick players.

 

I thought the point was about players they scouted and signed, not ones that were traded away

[flyercanuck]

3 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

Remember when Homer traded away every 2nd round pick he had and some he didn't have? Hard for scouts to do much when they don't have picks with which to pick players.

 

 

Come on Pods...you're forgetting all those 3rds, 4ths....1sts!

[flyercanuck]

10 minutes ago, CoachX said:

How exactly do the Flyers have one of the best scouting staffs? If that were true you would think it would result in star players leading a team to continued playoff runs and championships.

 

Unless I missed something, that has not happened

 

However, I see your point if you count players the Flyers have drafted that went on to win cups with other teams

 

We've won the most cups in the league. Our players have just done it on other teams.

[flyercanuck]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

I get it, but it only goes so far. Remember, I come not to praise ol' Fletch but to bury him...

 

First rounders:
Nick Leddy D
Mikael Granlund C

Jonas Brodin D

Zack Phillips (28th - never played an NHL game) C

Matt Dumba D

No 2013 pick

Alex Tuch D

Joel Eriksson Ek C

Luke Kunin C

No 2018 1st or 2nd

 

It's by no means a great record, but Eriksson Ek (20th overall) is centering the second line at 23 and Kunin (15th overall) has played parts of three seasons at 22 and there really isn't a first round center after either of them that you could say he "missed" on.

 

Clearly the Wild were building from the back-end during this period and were relying - for better or worse - on Koivu as their #1C. Most of those mid-first-round D guys were serviceable or better. Granlund has a couple of 65+ point seasons for them and I honestly don't understand the deal for Fiala (and that wasn't Fletch).

 

In the end, the Wild were a "competitive" team with a "make the playoffs and anything can happen" mentality who took two big, bad swings on UFAs and it only took them so far.

 

Those things can happen in this league... Just ask Ron Hextall.

 

 

 Ya, not leagues worst, but closer to it than leagues best. 

 

 Ek has 26 points. 2 Flyer defencemen are outscoring him...and that's with Ghost having a horrible year or there'd be 3. 

 

 When 5 of your top 7 scorers are over 30...and you suck, things clearly didn't go well.

[ruxpin]

3 hours ago, radoran said:

 

The Blues were two years removed from a Conference Final and added Ryan O'Reilly to the roster. That's where "a Berube type" can come in - midseason - and settle the ship down.

 

He didn't have anything like that in Philadelphia. I mean, he did take the Cup Finalist Rangers to 7 games and that was a Good Sign, but... well... y'know...

 

 

 

Agreed. 

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Don't forget that one of the other things Fletcher had working against him in Minnesota was the scouting staff. Let's be honest about this - the Flyers have one of, if not, the best scouting staff in the NHL. I get that Hextall gets a lot of credit for rebuilding the farm system, but let's not forget that he had a lot of help from the scouting staff. Fletcher is a lot of things, but being a fool isn't one of them. Same with Nature Boy Brent Flahr. Having a great scouting staff makes their job incredibly easy. I don't see why that would change.

 

Right. The credit Hextall gets is not trading the picks away, letting the scouting department do its thing, and listening to them.  And then not trading away the prospects. 

 

How much credit depends on individual taste. 

[IllaZilla]

12 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

 

 Ya, not leagues worst, but closer to it than leagues best. 

 

 Ek has 26 points. 2 Flyer defencemen are outscoring him...and that's with Ghost having a horrible year or there'd be 3. 

 

 When 5 of your top 7 scorers are over 30...and you suck, things clearly didn't go well.

Dumpster Doug Risebrough is actually more to blame than Fletcher for the Wild not having any scorers. Here’s some of the gems Risebrough drafted in the first round:

 

Tyler Cuma 

Colton Gilles

James Shepard 

Benoit Pouliot (#4 overall)

AJ Thelen

 

Risebrough makes Fletcher look like a drafting prodigy by comparison...

 

 

[mojo1917]

17 hours ago, CoachX said:

How exactly do the Flyers have one of the best scouting staffs? If that were true you would think it would result in star players leading a team to continued playoff runs and championships.

 

Unless I missed something, that has not happened

I think you have to look where they pick, especially lately. They have been just good enough to miss out on the truly game changing talent.

So they are looking in the 12-25 range where there are good NHL players .

 

Also when the Flyers have sucked enough to pick top 5 the draft class has been weak. 

Let's look at the picks from the 2010 on :

 

2010	3	89	Michael Chaput	Canada	C	167	6	16	22	76	[188]
2010	4	119	Tye McGinn#	Canada	LW	89	9	8	17	44	[189]
2010	5	149	Michael Parks	United States	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2010	5	179	Nick Luukko	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2010	7	206	Ricard Blidstrand	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2010	7	209	Brendan Ranford	Canada	LW	1	0	0	0	0	[190]
2011	1	8	Sean Couturier	Canada	C	578	134	209	343	225	[191]
2011	3	68	Nick Cousins#	Canada	C	259	31	42	73	103	[192]
2011	4	116	Colin Suellentrop	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2011	4	118	Marcel Noebels	Germany	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2011	6	176	Petr Placek	Czech Republic	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2011	7	206	Derek Mathers	Canada	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2012	1	20	Scott Laughton	Canada	C	272	31	48	79	146	[193]
2012	3	78	Shayne Gostisbehere	United States	D	298	46	141	187	103	[194]
2012	4	111	Fredric Larsson	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2012	4	117	Taylor Leier	Canada	LW	55	2	5	7	10	[195]
2012	5	141	Reece Willcox	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2012	7	201	Valeri Vasiliev	Russia	D	—	—	—	—	—
2013	1	11	Samuel Morin	Canada	D	8	0	0	0	8	[196]
2013	2	41	Robert Hagg	Sweden	D	153	8	21	29	95	[197]
2013	3	72	Tyrell Goulbourne	Canada	LW	11	0	0	0	2	[198]
2013	5	132	Terrance Amorosa	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2013	7	192	David Drake	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2014	1	17	Travis Sanheim	Canada	D	131	11	34	45	42	[199]
2014	2	48	Nicolas Aube-Kubel	Canada	RW	9	0	0	0	0	[200]
2014	3	86	Mark Friedman	Canada	D	1	0	0	0	0	[201]
2014	5	138	Oskar Lindblom	Sweden	LW	104	19	20	39	28	[202]
2014	6	168	Radel Fazleev	Russia	C	—	—	—	—	—
2014	7	198	Jesper Pettersson	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2015	1	7	Ivan Provorov	Russia	D	246	30	67	97	86	[203]
2015	1	24	Travis Konecny	Canada	RW	233	59	65	124	135	[204]
2015	4	98	Samuel Dove-McFalls	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2015	4	104	Mikhail Vorobyev	Russia	C	15	1	1	2	2	[205]
2015	5	128	David Kase	Czech Republic	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2015	6	158	Cooper Marody	United States	C	6	0	0	0	0	[206]
2016	1	22	German Rubtsov	Russia	C	—	—	—	—	—	[207]
2016	2	36	Pascal Laberge	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	2	52	Wade Allison	Canada	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2016	3	82	Carsen Twarynski	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—	[208]
2016	4	109	Connor Bunnaman	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—	[209]
2016	5	139	Linus Hogberg	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2016	5	169	Tanner Laczynski	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	6	172	Anthony Salinitri	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	7	199	David Bernhardt	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2017	1	2	Nolan Patrick	Canada	C	145	26	35	61	57	[210]
2017	1	27	Morgan Frost	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—	[211]
2017	2	35	Isaac Ratcliffe	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	4	106	Matthew Strome	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	4	107	Maxim Sushko	Belarus	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	5	137	Noah Cates	United States	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	6	168	Olle Lycksell	Sweden	C	—	—	—	—	—
2017	7	196	Wyatt Kalynuk	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	1	14	Joel Farabee	United States	LW	—	—	—	—	—	[212]
2018	1	19	Jay O'Brien	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2018	2	50	Adam Ginning	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	4	112	Jack St. Ivany	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	5	127	Wyatte Wylie	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	6	174	Gavin Hain	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2018	7	205	Marcus Westfalt	Sweden	C	—	—	—	—	—
2019	1	14	Cameron York	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	2	34	Bobby Brink	United States	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2019	3	72	Ronald Attard	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	4	103	Mason Millman	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	6	165	Egor Serdyuk	Russia	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2019	7	196	Bryce Brodzinski	United States

 

 

2014 and 2016 were really good years  guys making their way in the top leagues,  2017 is looking strong also. 

Interesting to note also  at the beginning of the decade there were zero second round picks. barely any picks at all from 10-12.

I think the scouts have done a good job of finding guys who have developed into good players. 

Perhaps you're being glib here because they didn't draft Crosby 2.0 but that guy is never around when the Flyers pick even when they pick 1 or 2. 

Bad luck with Patrick's health has prevented him from showing out. I think though that once he's cleared he's going to play with a huge chip on his shoulder and he's got elite skill, I think we'll be happy with that pick. 

 

Edit: this doesn't count the free agent guys that have been signed.  Michael Raffl, Pierre Edward Bellmare, Phillipe Myers and Igor Zamula. Those are truly where the scouting department of the Flyers has shined. 

Also this table doesn't include goalies which saw the Flyers draft  Anthony Stolarz, Carter Hart, Samuel Ersson, Felix Sandstrom and Krill Ustimenko

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by mojo1917

[Podein25]

29 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Bad luck with Patrick's health has prevented him from showing out.

 

And not just Patrick. Laberge's tragic injury history is also relevant. He was teh 2nd overall pick in the Q midget draft. And a nice player. He could have been great. Was sent to the ECHL last week, which must feel like rock bottom, even for him.

[CoachX]

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I think you have to look where they pick, especially lately. They have been just good enough to miss out on the truly game changing talent.

So they are looking in the 12-25 range where there are good NHL players .

 

Also when the Flyers have sucked enough to pick top 5 the draft class has been weak. 

Let's look at the picks from the 2010 on :

 

2010	3	89	Michael Chaput	Canada	C	167	6	16	22	76	[188]
2010	4	119	Tye McGinn#	Canada	LW	89	9	8	17	44	[189]
2010	5	149	Michael Parks	United States	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2010	5	179	Nick Luukko	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2010	7	206	Ricard Blidstrand	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2010	7	209	Brendan Ranford	Canada	LW	1	0	0	0	0	[190]
2011	1	8	Sean Couturier	Canada	C	578	134	209	343	225	[191]
2011	3	68	Nick Cousins#	Canada	C	259	31	42	73	103	[192]
2011	4	116	Colin Suellentrop	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2011	4	118	Marcel Noebels	Germany	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2011	6	176	Petr Placek	Czech Republic	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2011	7	206	Derek Mathers	Canada	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2012	1	20	Scott Laughton	Canada	C	272	31	48	79	146	[193]
2012	3	78	Shayne Gostisbehere	United States	D	298	46	141	187	103	[194]
2012	4	111	Fredric Larsson	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2012	4	117	Taylor Leier	Canada	LW	55	2	5	7	10	[195]
2012	5	141	Reece Willcox	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2012	7	201	Valeri Vasiliev	Russia	D	—	—	—	—	—
2013	1	11	Samuel Morin	Canada	D	8	0	0	0	8	[196]
2013	2	41	Robert Hagg	Sweden	D	153	8	21	29	95	[197]
2013	3	72	Tyrell Goulbourne	Canada	LW	11	0	0	0	2	[198]
2013	5	132	Terrance Amorosa	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2013	7	192	David Drake	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2014	1	17	Travis Sanheim	Canada	D	131	11	34	45	42	[199]
2014	2	48	Nicolas Aube-Kubel	Canada	RW	9	0	0	0	0	[200]
2014	3	86	Mark Friedman	Canada	D	1	0	0	0	0	[201]
2014	5	138	Oskar Lindblom	Sweden	LW	104	19	20	39	28	[202]
2014	6	168	Radel Fazleev	Russia	C	—	—	—	—	—
2014	7	198	Jesper Pettersson	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2015	1	7	Ivan Provorov	Russia	D	246	30	67	97	86	[203]
2015	1	24	Travis Konecny	Canada	RW	233	59	65	124	135	[204]
2015	4	98	Samuel Dove-McFalls	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2015	4	104	Mikhail Vorobyev	Russia	C	15	1	1	2	2	[205]
2015	5	128	David Kase	Czech Republic	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2015	6	158	Cooper Marody	United States	C	6	0	0	0	0	[206]
2016	1	22	German Rubtsov	Russia	C	—	—	—	—	—	[207]
2016	2	36	Pascal Laberge	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	2	52	Wade Allison	Canada	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2016	3	82	Carsen Twarynski	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—	[208]
2016	4	109	Connor Bunnaman	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—	[209]
2016	5	139	Linus Hogberg	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2016	5	169	Tanner Laczynski	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	6	172	Anthony Salinitri	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—
2016	7	199	David Bernhardt	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2017	1	2	Nolan Patrick	Canada	C	145	26	35	61	57	[210]
2017	1	27	Morgan Frost	Canada	C	—	—	—	—	—	[211]
2017	2	35	Isaac Ratcliffe	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	4	106	Matthew Strome	Canada	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	4	107	Maxim Sushko	Belarus	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	5	137	Noah Cates	United States	LW	—	—	—	—	—
2017	6	168	Olle Lycksell	Sweden	C	—	—	—	—	—
2017	7	196	Wyatt Kalynuk	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	1	14	Joel Farabee	United States	LW	—	—	—	—	—	[212]
2018	1	19	Jay O'Brien	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2018	2	50	Adam Ginning	Sweden	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	4	112	Jack St. Ivany	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	5	127	Wyatte Wylie	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2018	6	174	Gavin Hain	United States	C	—	—	—	—	—
2018	7	205	Marcus Westfalt	Sweden	C	—	—	—	—	—
2019	1	14	Cameron York	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	2	34	Bobby Brink	United States	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2019	3	72	Ronald Attard	United States	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	4	103	Mason Millman	Canada	D	—	—	—	—	—
2019	6	165	Egor Serdyuk	Russia	RW	—	—	—	—	—
2019	7	196	Bryce Brodzinski	United States

 

 

2014 and 2016 were really good years  guys making their way in the top leagues,  2017 is looking strong also. 

Interesting to note also  at the beginning of the decade there were zero second round picks. barely any picks at all from 10-12.

I think the scouts have done a good job of finding guys who have developed into good players. 

Perhaps you're being glib here because they didn't draft Crosby 2.0 but that guy is never around when the Flyers pick even when they pick 1 or 2. 

Bad luck with Patrick's health has prevented him from showing out. I think though that once he's cleared he's going to play with a huge chip on his shoulder and he's got elite skill, I think we'll be happy with that pick. 

 

Edit: this doesn't count the free agent guys that have been signed.  Michael Raffl, Pierre Edward Bellmare, Phillipe Myers and Igor Zamula. Those are truly where the scouting department of the Flyers has shined. 

Also this table doesn't include goalies which saw the Flyers draft  Anthony Stolarz, Carter Hart, Samuel Ersson, Felix Sandstrom and Krill Ustimenko

 

You make a compelling argument, but Im not swayed. If the scouting department was so good, "one of the best", it would translate to top notch players delivering winning products on the ice.

 

 

That hasnt happened 

[Podein25]

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

You make a compelling argument, but Im not swayed.

 

This sentiment should be on your tombstone.

[CoachX]

im still laughing . i walked right into that