flyercanuck Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Sure but go back over the last 5 years since that is when Hayes got in the NHL and Skinner and Hayes numbers are much closer. Skinner 257 points Hayes 216 points Duchene 397 points So with that Matt clearly has put up more points. So for 2 mill more a season and the concussion issues is Skinner worth it??? Sure he may be a better goal scorer but he also isn't going to play on the PK. Guess we'll see in 7 years... 6 years. He'll be our "new" Amac contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: 6 years. He'll be our "new" Amac contract. Edited June 20, 2019 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 11:36 PM, Podein25 said: What a deal! From reports even Kevin's cat is lazy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 "I don't trust Fletcher...In Minny he traded away draft picks and players for older players and signed UFAs to stupid contracts" "That doesn't mean he'll do that in Philly...maybe he learned" CF trades draft picks and players for older players and signs UFA to stupid contract. "You're whining". No...I'm just saying he's doing what he did with the Wild and he left that franchise just like Homer left this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: "I don't trust Fletcher...In Minny he traded away draft picks and players for older players and signed UFAs to stupid contracts" "That doesn't mean he'll do that in Philly...maybe he learned" CF trades draft picks and players for older players and signs UFA to stupid contract. "You're whining". No...I'm just saying he's doing what he did with the Wild and he left that franchise just like Homer left this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: From reports even Kevin's cat is lazy... That cat isnt lazy....he plays tough on the boards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: From reports even Kevin's cat is lazy... Is that cat named Sami? DampVariableInvisiblerail-mobile.mp4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 5 hours ago, elmatus said: This is fine I guess, except I don't see Provo or Sanheim as Braun type players. They have way more potential than he does, particularly offensively. Both Provo and Sanheim have solid two-way potential, Braun does not. Niskanen to me makes more sense in this context than Braun. He may not be that guy anymore, but he was quite good for a number of years in his prime. I could see him being more of a mentor type than Braun. Niskanen is 32. That isn't old, that really isn't old for a defenseman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 hours ago, flyercanuck said: "I don't trust Fletcher...In Minny he traded away draft picks and players for older players and signed UFAs to stupid contracts" "That doesn't mean he'll do that in Philly...maybe he learned" CF trades draft picks and players for older players and signs UFA to stupid contract. "You're whining". No...I'm just saying he's doing what he did with the Wild and he left that franchise just like Homer left this one. Dang now the Flyers only have 7 picks this year.... So ****** what? a 2nd and 3rd. next year- If our top prospect was Kevin Marshall, I'd be worried, there are guys piled up in the system so deep its laughable. What good is an asset of it can't be leveraged? Give it 2 years if frost ratcliffe and rubstov are skating for San Jose and we've got 5 years of jumbo's +35 contract start complaining. Let the guy build his team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Dang now the Flyers only have 7 picks this year.... So ****** what? a 2nd and 3rd. next year- If our top prospect was Kevin Marshall, I'd be worried, there are guys piled up in the system so deep its laughable. What good is an asset of it can't be leveraged? Give it 2 years if frost ratcliffe and rubstov are skating for San Jose and we've got 5 years of jumbo's +35 contract start complaining. Let the guy build his team Not only that they have so many prospects they will be running out of room any ways...you have to have a certain number of AHLers on the Phantoms team per the rules so they will be pretty stocked this year and next even more will be coming in...unless they just don't sign a few of them so yeah...nothing wrong with trading a few picks for the help now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 PLAYER BORN CTRCT CAP HIT SEASONS GP G A TP PIM +/- C S Sean Couturier (C) 1992 21/22 $4,333,330 9 578 134 209 343 225 71 S Kevin Hayes (C) 1992 25/26 $7,142,857 1 0 0 0 0 0 - S Nolan Patrick (C) 1998 19/20 $3,575,000 3 145 26 35 61 57 -7 S Scott Laughton (C/LW) 1994 18/19 $962,500 6 272 31 48 79 146 -24 S Phil Varone (C/W) 1990 18/19 $650,000 1 47 3 4 7 8 -2 S Byron Froese (C/RW) 1991 18/19 $650,000 - - - - - - - S Mikhail Vorobyov (C) 1997 19/20 $925,000 1 15 1 1 2 2 0 S Mike Vecchione (C/RW) 1993 18/19 $900,000 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1 S German Rubtsov (C) 1998 20/21 $1,137,500 - - - - - - - S Cole Bardreau (C) 1993 18/19 $650,000 - - - - - - - S Pascal Laberge (C) 1998 20/21 $925,000 - - - - - - - S Connor Bunnaman (C) 1998 20/21 $800,000 - - - - - - - S Morgan Frost (C) 1999 21/22 $925,000 1 0 0 0 0 0 - U Jay O'Brien (C) 1999 - - - - - - - U Tanner Laczynski (C) 1997 - - - - - - - U Marcus Westfält (C) 2000 - - - - - - - U Gavin Hain (C) 2000 - - - - - - - LW S Claude Giroux (LW/C) 1988 21/22 $8,275,000 13 821 236 526 762 352 36 S James van Riemsdyk (LW) 1989 22/23 $7,000,000 5 262 74 73 147 107 3 S Oskar Lindblom (LW) 1996 19/20 $1,137,500 3 104 19 20 39 28 -5 S Michael Raffl (LW/RW) 1988 20/21 $2,350,000 7 412 70 62 132 172 18 S Greg Carey (C/LW) 1990 18/19 $650,000 - - - - - - - S Tyrell Goulbourne (LW/RW) 1994 18/19 $715,000 2 11 0 0 0 2 -2 S Carsen Twarynski (LW) 1997 20/21 $775,833 - - - - - - - S Isaac Ratcliffe (LW) 1999 21/22 $925,000 - - - - - - - S Matthew Strome (LW) 1999 21/22 $804,166 - - - - - - - S Joel Farabee (LW) 2000 21/22 $925,000 1 0 0 0 0 0 - U Noah Cates (LW) 1999 - - - - - - - U Brendan Warren (LW) 1997 - - - - - - - U Roman Lyubimov (LW/RW) 1992 1 47 4 2 6 8 -2 RW S Jakub Voracek (RW/LW) 1989 23/24 $8,250,000 9 605 156 349 505 336 -19 S Travis Konecny (RW/LW) 1997 18/19 $1,106,670 3 233 59 65 124 135 11 S Ryan Hartman (RW/LW) 1994 18/19 $875,000 1 19 2 4 6 30 -6 S Nicolas Aubé-Kubel (RW) 1996 18/19 $871,667 1 9 0 0 0 0 1 S Justin Bailey (RW) 1995 18/19 $715,000 1 11 0 1 1 2 0 S David Kase (RW/LW) 1997 20/21 $768,333 - - - - - - - S Maxim Sushko (RW) 1999 21/22 $804,166 - - - - - - - U Wade Allison (RW) 1997 - - - - - - - U Olle Lycksell (W/C) 1999 - - - - - - - D S Ivan Provorov (D) 1997 18/19 $1,744,170 3 246 30 67 97 86 -6 S Matt Niskanen (D) 1986 20/21 $5,750,000 1 0 0 0 0 0 - S Justin Braun (D) 1987 19/20 $3,800,000 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 S Shayne Gostisbehere (D) 1993 22/23 $4,500,000 6 298 46 141 187 103 -25 S Robert Hägg (D) 1995 19/20 $1,150,000 4 153 8 21 29 95 2 S Travis Sanheim (D) 1996 18/19 $1,294,170 2 131 11 34 45 42 -10 S Philippe Myers (D) 1997 19/20 $678,333 2 21 1 1 2 2 -5 S Samuel Morin (D) 1995 20/21 $1,363,330 4 8 0 0 0 8 -2 S T.J. Brennan (D) 1989 19/20 $675,000 - - - - - - - S Mark Friedman (D) 1995 19/20 $825,000 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1 S David Schlemko (D) 1987 19/20 $2,100,000 1 0 0 0 0 0 - S Reece Willcox (D) 1994 19/20 $675,000 - - - - - - - S Yegor Zamula (D) 2000 21/22 $753,333 - - - - - - - S Jacob Graves (D) 1995 18/19 $750,833 - - - - - - - U Adam Ginning (D) 2000 - - - - - - - U Linus Högberg (D) 1998 - - - - - - - U Valeri Vasilyev (D) 1994 - - - - - - - U John St. Ivany (D) 1999 - - - - - - - U Wyatt Kalynuk (D) 1997 - - - - - - - U David Bernhardt (D) 1997 - - - - - - - U Wyatte Wylie (D) 1999 - - - - - - - G S Carter Hart (G) 1998 20/21 $925,000 2 31 - - - - - S Cam Talbot (G) 1987 18/19 $4,166,667 1 4 - - - - - S Brian Elliott (G) 1985 18/19 $2,750,000 2 69 - - - - - S Michal Neuvirth (G) 1988 18/19 $2,500,000 4 89 - - - - - S Alex Lyon (G) 1992 19/20 $750,000 2 13 - - - - - S Mike McKenna (G) 1983 18/19 $700,000 1 1 - - - - - S Felix Sandström (G) 1997 20/21 $792,500 - - - - - - - S Kirill Ustimenko (G) 1999 21/22 $825,833 - - - - - - - U Samuel Ersson (G) 1999 - - - - - - - U Ivan Fedotov (G) 1996 - - - - - - - U Matej Tomek (G) 1997 - - - - - - - @mojo1917 So yeah WTF are you going to put all these kids so they can properly develop....jeeezzz it's crazy depth...so ok they used a couple draft picks for the now....i'm with you i am tired of waiting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: So for 2 mill more a season and the concussion issues is Skinner worth it??? So I've said several times Buffalo overpaid. Overpaying for a guy who just potted 40 is a little different - for me - than overpaying for a guy who just had 19. YMMV Edited June 21, 2019 by radoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, mojo1917 said: Niskanen is 32. That isn't old, that really isn't old for a defenseman. Huh? That post was me saying I think Niskanen makes sense as a mentor type for our young dmen? I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 19 hours ago, SCFlyguy said: I know who you guys are. I lurked for years and posted under the same name at the Philly.com boards. I remember you...solid poster..welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Part of the problem is Fletcher does not have time on his side. No playoffs is simply an unacceptable outcome, and would most assuredly leave him unemployed. That is why you see Hayes instead of patience...and a potential roadblock for Frost and other elite prospects. Fletch needs short term gain and he needs it immediately. On the bright side, the Flyers needed a culture change. They needed accountability on the back end and much better veteran partners for the kids than Gudas and McDud. These moves accomplished those goals with out surrendering a lot of assets...so some damage to the salary cap...but an improved squad defensively with these moves...so important with the young Hart in net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, mojo1917 said: Dang now the Flyers only have 7 picks this year.... So ****** what? a 2nd and 3rd. next year- If our top prospect was Kevin Marshall, I'd be worried, there are guys piled up in the system so deep its laughable. What good is an asset of it can't be leveraged? Give it 2 years if frost ratcliffe and rubstov are skating for San Jose and we've got 5 years of jumbo's +35 contract start complaining. Let the guy build his team I remember having this discussion years ago when Homer was throwing those 2nd rounders away (and 1sts, and 3rds) on Prospel, Bryz, Modry, Versteeg, etc etc etc. It's only ONE 2nd. It's only ONE 1st. Then you look back and realize the guy traded away NINE 2nds and FIVE 1sts in his tenure, along with dozens of other picks...no wonder the cupboard was almost bare when Hextall took over. Carter Hart has given this organization more hope in 20 games with ONE measly 2nd than all that hot steaming pile of crap did inclusively. And he's 20....not 35. We currently have the best Flyers drafted and developed defence in the history of this franchise. We may actually get to see their best years... Provorovs, Sanheims, Myers along with Farabees, Frosts, Ratcliffes, Konecnys...instead of trading draft picks for them when the wheels are falling off. Of course the awesome Hayes NTC will likely cause us to lose one of those guys. And there's always the chance Fletcher trades others for some more oldies. It's like Groundhog Day with these Flyer GMs with a short break when Hextall was here to stockpile assets. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it....we're repeating it. Edited June 21, 2019 by flyercanuck 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Hayes Believers going to begging for this guy to be traded within three years when they realize how underwhelming he is and we have nowhere to play better, younger guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 hmmm. sure it wasn't the money and contract? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 21 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Just rux's wet dream...nothing more. Wrong. It's Eichel dressed in a halibut costume in the back seat of my a Lumina. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 17 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: I have no proof of this...but the way i see it they had a plan of the guys they wanted and it seems they wanted it mostly done by the draft so that to me is what they set out to do. Get the guys they wanted and Chuck didn't want to spend time haggling over the price for the guys he wanted....what he was giving up so to speak was almost house money...spends the nuts that Hextall has spent the winter collecting. Real easy to do...almost like he had a credit card and just went swiping...now if this works out and they eventually win a Cup you won't find a hockey fan here who would be mad i think....however if it doesn't....this place could explode. A car salesman would love Chuck he would walk onto the lot look at the sticker price on the car and just say "I'll take it!!!" Chuck just doesn't seem to want to stay on the phone and negotiate...find it and buy it!!!!! No wheelin and dealin just sign and drive...as i said we win a Cup i won't give a fcuk!!! We don't and it's here we go again... Are you new here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ruxpin said: Are you new here? You're right WTF am I talking about of course there will be someone mad....my bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 @flyercanuck @SCFlyguy I don't like the Hayes contract very much, he's a *good* player and brings good abilities to the table but not for what he's being paid. Search the thread you'll see i wanted Seattle to poach him but Chuck ruined it for me. Gudas and Macdonald are out and guys who can play and help mentor are in and it cost nothing tangible. Gudas and AMac weren't doing a large part of what was needed if them. This team now has a skilled mobile defense with vets that aren't locked down long term, so when the bill for the kids comes due it can be laid by letting those guys walk or via deadline trade. FC we'll have to be okay not agreeing on this. Last year's team underperformed and needed changes, no highly valued assets were involved in making this team better on paper at least. A 2nd is hit or miss a 3rd is a success if they play in the NHL perod. Let the guy start actually screwing up before we run him out of town. So far in my book he's given out a bad contact and made a questionable trade for Talbot. Not job termination material. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Gudas and Macdonald are out and guys who can play and help mentor are in and it cost nothing tangible. And to piggyback on your comment just what if these guys can get Ivan back to his 17 goal 41 point season??? What if they can get Sanheim to jump from his 35 point season to 50+??? Would that be worth it?? How do you put a price tag on that??? Where is that pay scale to determine what that would be worth to the club??? I'm not saying in any way they can and will....but i can petty much promise that Niskanen and Braun will replace Gudas and Mcdud's combined 29 points and +1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ruxpin said: Wrong. It's Eichel dressed in a halibut costume in the back seat of my a Lumina. Hmmm...let me get a visual of that....thanks Rux...scarred for life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 13 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Not only that they have so many prospects they will be running out of room any ways...you have to have a certain number of AHLers on the Phantoms team per the rules so they will be pretty stocked this year and next even more will be coming in...unless they just don't sign a few of them so yeah...nothing wrong with trading a few picks for the help now. You have to keep the Phantoms stocked, so our next future head coach has some success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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