CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 20 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: "now if this works out and they eventually win a Cup you won't find a hockey fan here who would be mad " (giggles).....tee-hee-hee, SNORT!, HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! ROTFLMFAO stop it! I cant take it anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, CoachX said: You have to keep the Phantoms stocked, so our next future head coach has some success It will be stocked for sure in fact not sure where you are going to keep all the guys and so they get some good playing minutes. Forward already Rubtsov Laberge Mcdonald Farabee Frost Strome Ratcliffe Bunnaman Strome Goulbourne Vorobyev Kase Twarynski Then you be adding Laczynski, Allison, Lycksell and Cates Brennan Friedman Schlemko Willcox And be adding Wylie, Ginning, Kalnuk, Hogberg, Bernhardt and St. Ivany As i said if you don't want to rush all these kids WTF are you going to put and play them?? You will have to start moving some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, CoachX said: (giggles).....tee-hee-hee, SNORT!, HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! ROTFLMFAO stop it! I cant take it anymore Hey i can dream right...nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: It will be stocked for sure in fact not sure where you are going to keep all the guys and so they get some good playing minutes. Forward already Rubtsov Laberge Mcdonald Farabee Frost Strome Ratcliffe Bunnaman Strome Goulbourne Vorobyev Kase Twarynski Then you be adding Laczynski, Allison, Lycksell and Cates Brennan Friedman Schlemko Willcox And be adding Wylie, Ginning, Kalnuk, Hogberg, Bernhardt and St. Ivany As i said if you don't want to rush all these kids WTF are you going to put and play them?? You will have to start moving some of them. I was being sarcastic over how many times we have hired a head coach from the Phantoms, usually a former Flyer PHANTOMS = Flyer head coach farm system Edited June 21, 2019 by CoachX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, CoachX said: I was being sarcastic over how many times we have hired a head coach from the Phantoms, usually a former Flyer PHANTOMS = Flyer head coach farm system It worked for Berube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 If the Flyers signed a 20 year old clone of Gretzky, one of us would bitch about the length and cost of contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: It worked for Berube. Not as a flyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, CoachX said: Not as a flyer But his experiences had to be crucial in him learning that got him to the Cup. It pains me to say it but it had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: But his experiences had to be crucial in him learning that got him to the Cup. It pains me to say it but it had to. I agree. Maybe what I should have said : "Phantoms" = farm system for future cup winners with other franchises 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) So looking around at some of these teams and the production they were getting from their 2nd line centers. Brayden Point is the high mark at 92 points. And there are many scattered in between the Flames low point of Backlund at 47 points (not saying it's the lowest just one of). Soderberg 49 points. Sabres Rodrigues is actually lowest at 29 but i think Middlestadt played some 2nd line center. So i am expecting a 65-75 point season from Hayes to justify the price tag. I think that is doable. Kuznetsov 72, Krejci 73, Domi 72, ROR 77, Barzal 62, Matthews 73 just to name a few. So i think it is completely fair to expect 65-75 points from Hayes and with this deep team anything less will be a disappointment. I think we all can agree on that as far as expectations. As i said i didn't look at every team's 2nd line center but quite a few. Edited June 21, 2019 by OccamsRazor #ournewwhippingboy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: So i am expecting a 65-75 point season from Hayes to justify the price tag. I think that is doable. Kuznetsov 72, Krejci 73, Domi 72, ROR 77, Barzal 62, Matthews 73 just to name a few. So i think it is completely fair to expect 65-75 points from Hayes and with this deep team anything less will be a disappointment. I don't really think it's fair at all to expect that kind of production from him. That's a 20%-40% increase. If he reaches that, awesome! But if he reaches 55, that would be successful based on realistic expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, brelic said: I don't really think it's fair at all to expect that kind of production from him. That's a 20%-40% increase. If he reaches that, awesome! But if he reaches 55, that would be successful based on realistic expectations. Fair? Sheesh, you don't get much for $7M these days... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Podein25 said: Fair? Sheesh, you don't get much for $7M these days... Whether you pay $50 or $50,000 for a Lumina, it's still a Lumina. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, brelic said: But if he reaches 55 Sorry but i would be very disappointed with that. No reason with the depth the Flyers have and a 30 goal scorer on one wing and a 80 point player on his other wing to not be able to expect a 65-75 point season....no reason....anything less and i will be pissed...just calling it like i see it. You don't have to agree but i think many here would expect that. If anyone else here disagrees with me then please feel free to let me know. Thanks. Edited June 21, 2019 by OccamsRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: Sorry but i would be very disappointed with that. No reason with the depth the Flyers have and a 30 goal scorer on one wing and a 80 point player on his other wing to not be able to expect a 65-75 point season....no reason....anything less and i will be pissed...just calling it like i see it. You don't have to agree but i think many here would expect that. There's a very big reason. It's Kevin Hayes. He's never done it before, nor has he ever come close. So, if he does it, it would be amazing. But that is not at all my expectation. I'd say you're setting yourself up for disappointment! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I think if we're anticipating the Flyers to make the playoffs that 55 might be reasonable - although Occ's point about having a 30 goal scorer and an 80 point player on his line is solid. If they're going to honestly "compete for ths Stanley Cup" with Hayes as 2C it's not unreasomable to think they're going to need him to produce as other serious contender 2Cs do. And that's more in the 65-70 range than 50-55. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Sorry but i would be very disappointed with that. No reason with the depth the Flyers have and a 30 goal scorer on one wing and a 80 point player on his other wing to not be able to expect a 65-75 point season....no reason....anything less and i will be pissed...just calling it like i see it. You don't have to agree but i think many here would expect that. If anyone else here disagrees with me then please feel free to let me know. Thanks. it will be hard for him to crack 60 points if he doesn't get first power play time. If he does, that means that they've managed to fix the second power play unit and he was a factor in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, AJgoal said: it will be hard for him to crack 60 points if he doesn't get first power play time. If he does, that means that they've managed to fix the second power play unit and he was a factor in it. Agreed. Not sure if he is a good PP guy or not. He's big and not scared to go to the net, so I could see him being effective in that type of role. He's also smart and can make passes. But a 1st unit PP guy? Not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Karlson's contract makes the Hayes contract look even worse. Karlson was an RFA, while Hayes was an UFA, but Karlson is the more desirable player in every way and signed for less money and less AAV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, SCFlyguy said: Karlson's contract makes the Hayes contract look even worse. Karlson was an RFA, while Hayes was an UFA, but Karlson is the more desirable player in every way and signed for less money and less AAV. Sure but Vegas owned his rights and now how are they going to resign they guys and fill out their roster already 6 mill over the cap??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Sure but Vegas owned his rights and now how are they going to resign they guys and fill out their roster already 6 mill over the cap??? It's not that bad for them. 13 forwards under contract, six defensemen, and one goalie. Clarkson goes on LTIR and that gives them 5.25 million in relief. Really, all they need is a cheap defenseman and to get Subban under contract. They'll have to make a move, but nothing crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 10:13 AM, OccamsRazor said: And to me a Cup run right now would be just making the playoffs. The next step in the progression. Baby steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 12:12 PM, Podein25 said: Agreed. Not sure if he is a good PP guy or not. He's big and not scared to go to the net, so I could see him being effective in that type of role. He's also smart and can make passes. But a 1st unit PP guy? Not so sure. I guess this makes the Hayes deal look not so great now....home town discount? The Vegas Golden Knights have officially signed William Karlsson to an eight-year contract through the 2026-27 season worth an average annual value of $5.9 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I guess this makes the Hayes deal look not so great now....home town discount? The Vegas Golden Knights have officially signed William Karlsson to an eight-year contract through the 2026-27 season worth an average annual value of $5.9 million. No so great? When did it look great? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey-78 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: No so great? When did it look great? Good sarcasm. Not that Hayes can't play but too many years, too much money... IMO even before Karlsson's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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