CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Ryan Hartman was traded for some guy named Pitlick Why? Should I care? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, CoachX said: Ryan Hartman was traded for some guy named Pitlick Why? Should I care? I guess they couldn't get a deal done with Hartman. Pitlick is cheaper than what Hartman wanted I guess. Lateral move otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Podein25 said: I guess they couldn't get a deal done with Hartman. Pitlick is cheaper than what Hartman wanted I guess. Lateral move otherwise. Pitlick is a center. Does he fill the wing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, CoachX said: Pitlick is a center. Does he fill the wing? I think he has played both, was a center originally, but has definitely played wing in the bigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 I guess this was the blockbuster we were all waiting for. It tells me Ghost wont be moved and Fletch is a genius (although I suspect he will be criticized) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Another baffling move by dipstick Fletcher. Somebody please explain this move to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 asking for to much money..$$$.. side ways deal .. nothing lost nothing gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Podein25 said: I guess they couldn't get a deal done with Hartman. Pitlick is cheaper than what Hartman wanted I guess. Lateral move otherwise. It’s not a lateral deal at all. Hartman’s Got significantly more upside. If he can’t sign Hartman than send it to arbitration and move on. This can only be an indication of a bigger deal waiting to happen. I fear what that deal is though and why we haven’t seen it yet now that the draft is over. Maybe they weren’t making the playoffs with Simmonds, but they sure weren’t without him... now we’ve essentially traded Simmonds and gave up on the comeback for Pitlick. You don’t do that unless you’ve got some kind of plan brewing. I cant imagine what though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, CoachX said: Pitlick is a center. Does he fill the wing? Just on the 4th. 17 minutes ago, CoachX said: I guess this was the blockbuster we were all waiting for. It tells me Ghost wont be moved and Fletch is a genius (although I suspect he will be criticized) I don’t understand how you get to Ghost not being moved. In my view it makes it even more likely that another trade is coming and if it’s big, then it probably includes Ghost. Not sure why you think he's A genius for it either. I’m reserving judgement until the other shoe drops. I have confidence it will, but if it doesn’t, Fletch has egg on his face for this one as far as I can see. Like I say though, I assume he’s got something bigger afoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, intheslot said: asking for to much money..$$$.. side ways deal .. nothing lost nothing gained. Not correct. A better, younger player with ore two-way upside is lost. A worse, older player who may be slightly better in his own end is gained. Maybe a million to a million and a half bucks saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Another baffling move by dipstick Fletcher. Somebody please explain this move to me. I can only imagine there’s more yet to come. It’s possible Hartman’s agent said. “$5.9m for 7 years or bust! “ but even then, I just let it go to arbitration or let him sit out the year and lose him outright. Fletcher's boring and uninspired, but he’s not stupid. There’s more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, King Knut said: Just on the 4th. I don’t understand how you get to Ghost not being moved. In my view it makes it even more likely that another trade is coming and if it’s big, then it probably includes Ghost. Not sure why you think he's A genius for it either. I’m reserving judgement until the other shoe drops. I have confidence it will, but if it doesn’t, Fletch has egg on his face for this one as far as I can see. Like I say though, I assume he’s got something bigger afoot. Sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 You predict something bigger is coming. Who other than Ghost has trade value? How does this insignificant trade indicate a larger move? Laughton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Plan the parade boys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, CoachX said: Sarcasm Sorry, my detector must be broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 Refill it with alcohol. Worx for me 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, CoachX said: You predict something bigger is coming. Who other than Ghost has trade value? How does this insignificant trade indicate a larger move? Laughton? I think it probably will be Ghost and indont like that (because it won’t be for Marner or Pointe). Hartman didn’t stand to make more than 2.5 million. If he traded him to save 1.5 million, the. He’s got something big planned because what else is worth pushing to within 1.5 million of the cap. At this point after Hayes and Niskanen and Brain, something “BIG” is going To need a trade on our side... and Ghost’s salary likely isn’t enough to make up for a really “big” salary. So i’m Guessing it’s either Ghost plus X or JVR or Jake. Now if you move JVR or Jake for picks and get Panarin in return, you got better, but how many UFA’s absolutely fall into the same category? Toronto got help from the Canes in the Marleau trade, but they’re still a bit up a creek when it comes to Marner, plus they’re losing D. So they’re still a possibility for someone, but I’m. It sure I’m giving up JVR or Jake for Johnson or Kapanen. likewise, Tampa is getting a big break in this bad news about Callahan, so not only will it likely be easier for them to sign Point, but it’ll be more pressing as they’re losing their alternate captain. So so who else would we want to trade Ghost+ someone, Voracek or JVR for? Be serious now. I’m sure there are a few, but I’m too tired to think about who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yave1964 Posted June 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Pitlick is a solid fourth liner, defensively responsible and good penalty kill guy. He isn't going to score a ton but can score a bit, can play all three forward spots but truth is he is more of a winger than a center. Defense first is his game, last year he took a whopping 71 percent of his faceoffs in the defensive zone. His Corsi last year was 49 percent in spite of that, while Hartmans was an abysmal 43 prcent. Hartman has never really impressed me, very one dimensional player, doesn't score enough to play more than third line minutes not physical enough to play grind line minutes. He frankly has an unusable skill set, he does just enough to frustrate, not enough to send tot he minors. He will score a tad bit more than Pitlick but not a lot more, but every single other intangible belongs to Pitlick. Edited June 24, 2019 by yave1964 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, King Knut said: It’s not a lateral deal at all. Hartman’s Got significantly more upside. If he can’t sign Hartman than send it to arbitration and move on. This can only be an indication of a bigger deal waiting to happen. I fear what that deal is though and why we haven’t seen it yet now that the draft is over. Maybe they weren’t making the playoffs with Simmonds, but they sure weren’t without him... now we’ve essentially traded Simmonds and gave up on the comeback for Pitlick. You don’t do that unless you’ve got some kind of plan brewing. I cant imagine what though. I liked Hartman, but "significantly more upside"? What is that based on? That he's younger? More talented offensively? I'm pleased to be wrong, but I just don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 From an outsiders point of view, this sure looks like a lateral move to me. Watching them each play a bit and then perusing stat sheets, they actually seem very similar players. Yes, I'd give an offensive edge to Hartman (though it isn't anything to be all that excited about), but @yave1964 's post was pretty much on the mark: Pitlick seems to be better in a bunch of other areas...though, again, not anything to be doing handstands over. Not even the money saved seems significant. Like those who said it was about the $$$ that perhaps Hartman and his agent were asking for, and perhaps the Flyers just didn't want to mess around with arbitration hearings (they'd rather just have the similar player in the fold and done for now, so they can focus on bigger fish), and thus the deal came about. And of course, the Stars see this as a slight upgrade on offense, I am sure, as they seem to have the defensive portion of their team game nailed down pretty well. Just overall not a big deal to be happy or upset about...just an exchange of bodies that might serve slightly different needs. But hey, if Pitlick turns into a nice surprise on the bottom six, the Flyers can just call it a bonus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Another baffling move by dipstick Fletcher. Somebody please explain this move to me. I' going to go out on a limb and say because he is already under contract for this coming year for 1 million and maybe Hartman wanted way to much can really say this is the first i have heard of the trade. He has played some RW/C. Otherwise maybe we find out more later. I think this is Lance Pitlick's son....a contract that helps with the cap!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Another baffling move by dipstick Fletcher. Somebody please explain this move to me. I think this is the precursor of a move...something akin to Ghost for Nylander + or, maybe it's just Potluck with Pitlick. Hopefully Option A. Edited June 24, 2019 by FD19372 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 He is a guy they can bury if a kid is ready per David Issac. Brings a little more size than Hartman. Not sure what else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineFlyFan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Hang on everyone....hang on! The Dude's name is "PIT-LICK"?!..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Maybe this is precursor to something bigger because of the cap savings, as has been pointed out. But the players involved are who cares for who cares. I mean why is anyone here bent on Hartman? The problem was getting Hartman for Simmonds in the first place. I hated that trade at the time. Hartman is nothing. He is a disappointment of a ridiculous first round draft pick. He is actually barely one dimensional. At least now we have someone who still belongs on the fourth line but can at least play on the PK. He's meh, but you get meh for meh. But stop with Simmonds. It's embarrassing and ridiculous. He's a fourth line player at best at this point. I love the guy and wish him the best, but he's not worth a roster spot at any price at this point. Edited June 25, 2019 by ruxpin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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