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7 hours ago, radoran said:

Teams in a market of multi millions of people are more valuable than teams in markets of hundreds of thousands.

 

So the Toronto Blue Jays are worth more than the Boston Red Sox?  (mic drop)  🎤

 

From Google search:

Boston: ~685,000 population

Toronto: ~2.93 million population

 

Should we relocate the Boston Red Sox from their "podunk" US town into Montreal? 

 

Montreal: ~1.78 million population

 

That's the logic you are using right now.  I know what you're saying but I'm trying to explain to you (kindly) why your thinking is wrong.

 

You're basically sitting on a financial "egg" that will never hatch. 

 

It's also worth mentioning that Hamilton has 580,000 people, roughly the same size as podunk town Boston (home of the Red Sox, Bruins, etc.). In other words, there is precedent that a city the size of Hamilton (like Boston for example) can be enormously successful in any pro sports league.

 

(I'd drop the mic again but I already dropped it.)

 

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I'm posting back a previous message I wrote in an another topic about QC City having a team. I'm living in QC City but in a strict business/revenue point of view, bringing a team here is not an option for the following reasons: Small market: with Québec in the NHL, this will be the smallest market, even smaller than Arizona and Florida. French market: I know I'll piss my frenchie fellas, but this is a major drawback in terms of revenue generation, marketing and stuff. Besides that,

I hear that the way the Stars solved the problem was to build a whole lot of ice rinks in the area in order to build a fan base with actual skating/playing experience.

I was once told that in Nevada probably about 8 years before the Vegas Golden Knights arrived.  It doesn't seem so ridiculous now.  Of course, its pretty tough to not like a winning team right out of the gate.     As far as Arizona goes.  I think they have some fans, but not nearly enough to keep that team going.  Nice arena, but people don't go there.  Almost anytime the Wild play there, we have more fans than they do.     I think the franchise would be better served in Hous

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At the end of the day, the NHL is going to do what it's going to do. They probably will choose Houston as their next destination. The NHL has made it very clear with their expansion/relocation decisions (Panthers, Coyotes, Thrashers, etc.) that they're not interested in putting hockey teams in proven hockey markets where they can draw money. The NHL is interested in putting hockey teams in non-hockey markets with the dream of creating a new hockey market where none exists. They're always chasing the dream at the expense of existing fans. Almost like the NHL tries to punish Canadian hockey fans for their support. 

 

If it were up to me (and we know it isn't), my business policy would be to tap into all of the proven hockey markets first, and exhaust all avenues for revenue in the areas where the game is strongest before seeking new markets. Exactly the opposite of what the NHL is doing. Expansion would be a careful decision and there would need to be at least some fan interest present (a well supported minor league hockey team present for example) before such a decision would be made.

 

People can say: "well, the NHL is a multi-billion dollar industry, so clearly they know what they're doing and you don't"..... whereas I would say: "the NHL is dead last by a mile among the major pro sports leagues so clearly they don't know what they're doing.... otherwise they wouldn't be dead last". So it's the glass half full/empty thing again.  Is a league successful because it makes billions or is it a failure because it makes 2 billion while other leagues make 10 billion? I guess it depends what you use as a measuring stick and who you compare yourself to. No other pro sports league pushes to have franchises in locations where fan interest is minimal or non-existent.

 

MLB has two franchises in New York, Chicago, and LA.  The NHL has two franchises in New York. It should have two franchises in Toronto and Montreal. The idea of Hamilton or Quebec City having an NHL franchise isn't a pipe dream. Hamilton taps into a huge southern Ontario market that is the richest in hockey. Hamilton would become a powerhouse NHL franchise like Toronto, and I think that's what Bettman fears. I think Bettman has tried to remove the game from Canada during his tenure as NHL commissioner. Under his administration, Canada went from having 1/3 of the teams (8/24) to having less than 1/4 (7/32) of the teams. He also moved NHL headquarters from Toronto to New York. I think deep down inside, Bettman doesn't want to give any more power to the Canadian NHL franchises than they already have. I think it's a personal vendetta for him. In 30 years, Bettman has done nothing to expand the game in Canada. It has been total stagnation or regression.

 

And let's not forget that the Oilers wouldn't exist if not for the WHA. Neither would the Canucks, Nordiques, or Jets. The NHL has made it their policy to ignore Canada, and it took a rival hockey league going head to head with them to finally get them to wake up.

 

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13 hours ago, WordsOfWisdom said:

So the Toronto Blue Jays are worth more than the Boston Red Sox?  (mic drop)  🎤

 

From Google search:

Boston: ~685,000 population

Toronto: ~2.93 million population

 

Boston Metro - 4.9M

 

Nearly 8.5M in the greater statistical area around it.

 

37 minutes ago, WordsOfWisdom said:

The NHL has made it very clear with their expansion/relocation decisions (Panthers, Coyotes, Thrashers, etc.) that they're not interested in putting hockey teams in proven hockey markets where they can draw money.

 

Where did that nefarious league send the Thrashers?

 

Oh, right, Winnipeg...

 

Remember when it was insane that the North Stars moved to "non hockey market" Dallas? Dallas is averaging a few hundred less per game in attendance than Minnesota this year. "not a hockey market" Tampa Bay is #1.

 

It's called "growing the game" - and the growth potential is in the US, not in a country that is already bonkers for hockey. A second team in Tronno or Montreal, or shoehorning franchises into Hamilton or Quebec City isn't going to "grow the game" at all.

 

37 minutes ago, WordsOfWisdom said:

The NHL has two franchises in New York. It should have two franchises in Toronto and Montreal.

 

The reason there aren't two in those places - and the reason there isn't a team in Hamilton and to a large part Quebec City - are the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens. To a lesser extent, Buffalo when it comes to Hamilton.

 

Neither of those teams want any competition.

 

37 minutes ago, WordsOfWisdom said:

I think it's a personal vendetta for him. In 30 years, Bettman has done nothing to expand the game in Canada. It has been total stagnation or regression.

 

Except for putting a team back in Winnipeg and making all of the existing franchise more valuable. Aside from that, not much. Good point.

 

Here, I think you dropped this... 🎤

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9 hours ago, radoran said:

Boston Metro - 4.9M

 

Nearly 8.5M in the greater statistical area around it.

 

LIES! ALL LIES!!!  (Sorry, Austin Powers movie reference lol.)  🤣

 

I specifically went with the city only and not the surrounding area for every city I listed for simplicity sake! (Otherwise Hamilton gets to count the entire GTA as well and that cancels your 8.5M real quick.)   Just SMASH that LIKE button!   😍

 

9 hours ago, radoran said:

Where did that nefarious league send the Thrashers?

 

Oh, right, Winnipeg...

 

They sent the Winnipeg Jets to Phoenix to become the biggest and longest standing flop in NHL history.  Imagine if the NHL had:

  • Left the Jets in Winnipeg
  • Left the Nordiques in Quebec
  • Left the North Stars in Minnesota
  • Left the Whalers in Hartford
  • Expanded into Colorado instead of putting a second team in Florida (Panthers)
  • Expanded into Seattle instead of putting a team in Phoenix
  • Expanded into Hamilton instead of putting a team in Nashville
  • Expanded into Markham instead of putting a team in Carolina

Now.... you tell me which NHL you would rather have.  That would be a powerhouse, revenue-generating monster of an NHL.

 

Ontario would be a battleground of teams (Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton, Markham). The battle of Quebec would be alive and well. You still get your expansion into places like Colorado, Columbus, but all the teams are mostly kept northward in a hockey climate where hockey culture is a thing.  :)

 

 

 

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