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OccamsRazor

Philadelphia Flyers 2019-20 camp/pre season

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6 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

Giroux, Couturier, Frost, Provorov, Niskanen, and Ghost all in tonight. 

 

Must be on the trade block... :NinjaLookLeftRight1:

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Rubtsov in again, certainly seems to be making a case for one of the open spots. No Stewart is good. Ghost Myers is interesting, seemed like they wanted Ghost-Braun by how camp went earlier.

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4 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

Rubtsov in again, certainly seems to be making a case for one of the open spots. No Stewart is good. Ghost Myers is interesting, seemed like they wanted Ghost-Braun by how camp went earlier.

I'm looking forward to seeing Farabee improve with the puck on that 1st line, to go along with his very good speed.

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10 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

I'm looking forward to seeing Farabee improve with the puck on that 1st line, to go along with his very good speed.

 

Yeah i am hoping we can find a link for the game tonight. It's on the NHLnetwork and i didn't add it to my Direct TV package for this year.

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On The Jets issues..

The Jets have been destroyed on the right side of their defense and currently are sitting there with two highly valuable, but unisgned RFAs...Word is they are willing to listen to offers if they can get a top pairing D-man in return.... Options? I have heard Carolina, Philly, and Arizona as possible new destinations....This can be added to Montreal and the Islanders, who both continue to show interest in trading for Patrik Laine...

 

And no, they don't want Hagg if we don't even want him.

 

Bottom line is that if anything were to actually materialize, we need to send out about $8M in salary.

 

Is there a package you would sent to the Peg for Laine or Connor? 

 

Even if we did, say, Ghost and Patrick, that's not nearly enough salary.

 

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53 minutes ago, brelic said:

Is there a package you would sent to the Peg for Laine or Connor? 

 

Niskanen and Braun? 👺

 

 

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1 hour ago, brelic said:

And no, they don't want Hagg if we don't even want him.

 

It's not that the Flyers don't want him he unfortunately in my eyes slide to the 8th spot behind Sam sadly.

 

Mostly just because of his limited skillset and i think Morin can do everything he can do and even more.

 

So it makes him available....if they want him for say a 3rd round pick.

 

1 hour ago, brelic said:

Is there a package you would sent to the Peg for Laine or Connor?

 

I like those two forwards but they wouldn't want what i would want to give.

 

And i would prefer Connor over Laine. For personal reasons. I would have offered a package of Patrick, TK and Hagg for those two maybe before they came to terms with TK.

 

So i'm good now and would prefer to hold tight unless they just want Hagg for the pick....or a prospect maybe.

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1 hour ago, brelic said:

 

 

 

And no, they don't want Hagg if we don't even want him.

 

Bottom line is that if anything were to actually materialize, we need to send out about $8M in salary.

 

Is there a package you would sent to the Peg for Laine or Connor? 

 

Even if we did, say, Ghost and Patrick, that's not nearly enough salary.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

I like those two forwards but they wouldn't want what i would want to give.

 

The real problem with the trade scenario is that I just don't see what we would give up front that makes sense. 

 

Say you trade Ghost and JVR for Laine. Salary works, but that's definitely overpayment IMO. 

 

Ghost and Voracek? Also overpayment. 

 

Myers and Voracek? Ok, probably a reasonable package, but I still think it's an overpayment and I'm not sure it makes us better.

 

Farabee, Lindblom, and Patrick don't make enough money to be included (since we would need to clear space), TK just signed and unless Homer is pulling the strings, he ain't moving. 

 

I don't readily see how we could make a trade that a) makes sense salary-wise and b) makes us better.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, brelic said:

Myers and Voracek? Ok, probably a reasonable package, but I still think it's an overpayment and I'm not sure it makes us better.

 

NO that is overpayment i think for sure.

 

Myers IMHO has the potential to be a #2 overall defenseman it may take him two or three ore years to get there but to me it's still overpayment in my eyes. 

 

Besides the fact i am concerned with Laine's work ethic...he is honestly a guy i would be scared to trade for.

 

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So i am good stay put.

 

I do like Connors game...so stay the course.

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I have to disagree i think it's a 4 player race.

 

Farabee

Rubtsov

Vorobyev

Frost

 

Adreoff has been invisible and AHL bound.

 

NAK makes the team by default of waivers requirement if by no other reason to be the 13th forward.

 

Stewart will remain on PTO until needed he can still practice with the team and travel and won't count towards the 23 roster limit until he needs to play and signed to a contract. Roster circumvention if for a lack of a better term.

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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I have to disagree i think it's a 4 player race.

 

Farabee

Rubtsov

Vorobyev

Frost

 

Adreoff has been invisible and AHL bound.

 

NAK makes the team by default of waivers requirement if by no other reason to be the 13th forward.

 

Stewart will remain on PTO until needed he can still practice with the team and travel and won't count towards the 23 roster limit until he needs to play and signed to a contract. Roster circumvention if for a lack of a better term.

 

I think Andreoff and Stewart are there to create a situation where the young guys have to earn their spot. They are also insurance if the young guys collectively look not ready IMO.

 

In other words, if either Andreoff or Stewart (or *gasp* both) are on the opening night roster, it means the young bucks didn’t convince coaches and management that they are ready. 

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9 minutes ago, brelic said:

if either Andreoff or Stewart (or *gasp* both) are on the opening night roster

 

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23 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

You are in denial. So i have to ask did NAK steal your parking spot at the local mall...

 

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...why the such hate for a guy you have hardly seen play?? 

 

What did he do to you??

 

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You can talk about it here...we're here for you it will help if you talk about it.

Lol.... i dont know much at all. I just like sparring with you over it

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18 hours ago, brelic said:

I don't readily see how we could make a trade that a) makes sense salary-wise and b) makes us better.

 

I would go Connor over Laine if we "had" to do something (yes, yes, your resident Finnophile slagging Laine...)

 

But I concur with you, there's nothing that really makes sense and makes the team better. Also don't really know what Winnipeg wants.

 

Connor IMO is now what we hope KNX will turn into. And I really do have to concur with Occ about Laine's work ethic. The shot is there but unless they get a Finn Whisperer to slap some sense into him, he'll be a one trick pony. It's a good trick, but that's it.

 

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Alain Vigneault asked for something and has yet to get it in Flyers preseason

 
 

 

Alain Vigneault put out his hands as if he wanted a hug.

The head coach was speaking passionately about training camp competition.

 

He pleaded for one thing.

 

"You need surprises," Vigneault said last Saturday after Day 2 of Flyers training camp. "We need some of these young kids to step up and force us into some decisions. That's how your team gets better and we're going to give them an opportunity to do that."

 

Vigneault hasn't gotten any surprises … yet.

 

The Flyers could use them. They have a clear opening on their third line. They even have two when you factor in 

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. Their defensive pairings are far from sacrosanct. 

 

Spots are everywhere.

 

But three exhibition games down, the Flyers have heard only knocks on the door.

 

Nobody has barged in.

 

"The battle for the bottom six is, in my mind, fully on," Vigneault said Thursday after morning skate. "It's good. We've got some decisions to make in those positions."

 

While Morgan Frost's preseason got off to a positive start in Thursday night's 3-1 loss 

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, the 20-year-old playmaker failed to crack the score sheet playing between James van Riemsdyk and Jakub Voracek.

Joel Farabee has impressed during camp and shown flashes in two games, but hasn't blown away the rest. Similar to Frost, Farabee played with high-end talent Thursday - Claude Giroux and Sean Couturier - and couldn't capitalize with production.

 

German Rubtsov looked a bit tired Thursday and justifiably so as he was playing his third game in four days. The 21-year-old center has done the little things well.

 

Mikhail Vorobyev, last year's preseason darling (six points in six games), has played not-so-glamorous minutes and on the penalty kill.

Nicolas Aube-Kubel had one of the better performances in the second preseason game but was quiet on the third line and second-unit power play Thursday.

 

Isaac Ratcliffe brought plenty of intrigue into camp but progression in the AHL will be first on his plate.

 

Connor Bunnaman has shown promise but seems destined for his second season with AHL affiliate Lehigh Valley, as does Carsen Twarynski.

The older roster hopefuls haven't crushed the kids, either. Andy Andreoff has been inconsistent through two games, Chris Stewart fought in the opener and Kurtis Gabriel is hurt.

 

The Flyers' four preseason goals have come from van Riemsdyk, Matt Niskanen, Michael Raffl and Chris Bigras.

 

The remaining preseason slate will be amplified, growing in importance and starting Saturday night against the Rangers at the Wells Fargo Center.

"One of the things I've found throughout the years is people say that we make the decisions, but we really don't make the decisions," Vigneault said Monday. "The players make the decisions for us by how they play, how they continue to improve.

 

"As camp moves forwards, competition is going to get better, it's going to get more demanding on everybody. They'll make the decisions for us by how they play, how they compete and how they perform."

 

Vigneault asked for surprises.

 

With four exhibition games left, who's going to give him one?

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Can't argue with any of that. We seem to lack any game-breaking talent among the kids. Now, they may grow into that over months and years, but no one has shown that right now.

 

Who are the locks among forwards?

 

G, Coots, TK, JVR, Hayes, Lindblom, Raffl, Laughton, Patrick.

 

Nine guys. So that means there are three spots with legitimate competition.

 

There are probably 8 guys with a real opportunity -

 

Pitlick, Stewart, Andreoff, Rubtsov, Farabee, Frost, Vorobyev, NAK.

 

Who's it gonna be? Who's gonna step up their game and EARN those spots?

 

 

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On 9/19/2019 at 1:09 PM, brelic said:

Is there a package you would sent to the Peg for Laine or Connor? 

 

I know before i state this it wouldn't work salary wise but i would trade Patrick for Connor in a heartbeat.

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32 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

 

I am totally behind that.

 

The kids can work on their game in the AHL and when ready get a call up.

 

AV 's main goal is to get the team right and on the same page and ready to hit the ground running hit the ice skating and not have a slow start again.

 

Wins in the NHL are priority #1.

 

The AHL is a great place to get prepared for the NHL speed.

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It's the way it should be.

 

He has the experience.

 

It's his neck in the noose he should be making the calls.

 

They should obey.

 

Crack that whip.

 

That simple.

 

Winning is all that matters.

 

Cups is all that counts.

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If he cant make this type of decision, he shouldnt have been hired

 

Unless he can bake a good cake

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