"Patrick Almost Not Injured Any More!"

[Podein25]

1 minute ago, ruxpin said:

$7.25/hr. plus tips.

 

Lol. Honest question: is that the minimum wage in PA?

[ruxpin]

3 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

Lol. Honest question: is that the minimum wage in PA?

 

Honest answer:   Yes

 

But not for restaurant workers and some other excluded positions.    Servers make $2.83/hr.  (plus tips.  $7.25/hr. if the $2.83 + tips doesn't reach that figure).

 

The $7.25/hr. is actually still the federal minimum wage, though many states and municipalities have raised theirs higher.  Not here in Pennsyltucky.

Edited November 15, 2019 by ruxpin

[Podein25]

32 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Honest answer:   Yes

 

But not for restaurant workers and some other excluded positions.    Servers make $2.83/hr.  (plus tips.  $7.25/hr. if the $2.83 + tips doesn't reach that figure).

 

The $7.25/hr. is actually still the federal minimum wage, though many states and municipalities have raised theirs higher.  Not here in Pennsyltucky.

 

Wow. And people wonder why millions of Americans support an old socialist. 

[elmatus]

44 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Honest answer:   Yes

 

But not for restaurant workers and some other excluded positions.    Servers make $2.83/hr.  (plus tips.  $7.25/hr. if the $2.83 + tips doesn't reach that figure).

 

The $7.25/hr. is actually still the federal minimum wage, though many states and municipalities have raised theirs higher.  Not here in Pennsyltucky.

 

Wow, I thought we had it bad enough up north. That seems unsustainably low to me. I can only imagine the up stream costs...

Edited November 15, 2019 by elmatus

[OccamsRazor]

4 hours ago, ruxpin said:

 

$7.25/hr. plus tips.

 

Wawa has a wait staff?? Who knew...

[ruxpin]

37 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Wawa has a wait staff?? Who knew...

If you can find anyone at wawa to wait on you... You might actually not be in Wawa

[OccamsRazor]

On Patrick...

 

Bill any update at all on Patrick? Have the headaches been an issue for all three years of his Flyers career or really just this year?
- bsw31usa

No.... the migraines flared up in the spring. He had a concussion in March, and they weren't sure if it was PCS or something else but the genetic issue was later diagnosed as the root cause. Problem is, he's still having good days and bad days and there's apparently more to it than just the migraine headaches (although what specifically, I don't know).

For awhile, he was skating almost every day. Did a practice or two in a non-contact jersey and a morning skate with the team at Wells Fargo Center. But I haven't seen him on the ice, even skating on his own and/or doing skills work with Angelo Ricci, in a couple weeks. It's possible he's doing it early in the morning ahead of me getting to the Skate Zone -- reminds me of a Chris Pronger story, which I'll relay in a moment -- but I haven't heard about it.

Pronger story: Pre-concussion, when he was rehabbing an injury (I think it was his back), I came to the Skate Zone one morning several hours ahead of practice. Pronger was doing some light skating on his own. He saw me and gave a "don't blow my cover" kind of wink because he hadn't "officially" started skating yet.

 

Doesn't sound encouraging.

 

Might as well just shut him down for the season....sounds like they might have just haven't told anyone.

 

Cale Makar sure would look good on this team. 23 points in 21 games. Why are my Flyers so cursed??

[brelic]

On 11/9/2019 at 11:42 PM, OccamsRazor said:

 

They passed on this guy...

 

 

...for Patrick?

 

 

I mean, to be fair, they passed on Heiskanen too because they weren't looking for a defenseman.

 

Hard to imagine many GMs passing on Patrick at #2 at the time.

 

 

[Poulin20]

Both times we had the #2 pick since the Buttman NBA lottery system was put into place they ended up with "Meh" picks who didn't get them anywhere near a championship. (Even after spending time at reeducation camp JVR still sucks)   It's nauseating. 

 

I still have vivid nightmares about Kane scoring the cup clinching goal on Leaky in 2010 and that was almost 10 years ago now! 

Edited November 21, 2019 by Poulin20

[Podein25]

25 minutes ago, Poulin20 said:

Both times we had the #2 pick since the Buttman NBA lottery system was put into place they ended up with "Meh" picks who didn't get them anywhere near a championship. (Even after spending time at reeducation camp JVR still sucks)   It's nauseating. 

 

I still have vivid nightmares about Kane scoring the cup clinching goal on Leaky in 2010 and that was almost 10 years ago now! 

 

#triggered

[Poulin20]

2 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

#triggered

 

You bet!  I'm in my safe space now with a therapy dog and some orange colored crayons.

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, brelic said:

 

I mean, to be fair, they passed on Heiskanen too because they weren't looking for a defenseman.

 

Hard to imagine many GMs passing on Patrick at #2 at the time.

 

 

 

You should always be looking for a defenseman especially a "better defenseman".

 

And yeah I know we get hindsight.

 

But it was well documented here some of us was worried about Patrick's durability issues.

 

And well here we are.

 

So if we are going to praise Hextall for all his finds we have to mention his whiffs.

 

And this looks like a monumental whiff maybe the only one worse right now is coming to mind is the infamous JVR.

 

What if they just traded back?

 

Both times.

 

We'll never know.

[brelic]

54 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

But it was well documented here some of us was worried about Patrick's durability issues.

 

Sure, but it was completely unrelated to his migraine issues (at least that we know of).

 

It's just crappy for Patrick the person *and* the professional hockey player that he's having to deal with this.

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, brelic said:

 

Sure, but it was completely unrelated to his migraine issues (at least that we know of).

 

It's just crappy for Patrick the person *and* the professional hockey player that he's having to deal with this.

 

Sure but guys fall for those types of reason all his prior injuries.

 

I mean for christ sake Coots fell because he caught mono which worked in the Flyers favor.

 

Point being Patrick had injury issues and should have even been sent back to junior for another year but Ron was desperate and made a bad call with that too.

Edited November 21, 2019 by OccamsRazor

[brelic]

3 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Point being Patrick had injury issues and should have even been sent back go junior for another year but Ron was desperate and made a bad call with that too.

 

Yes, no doubt about that. 

[FD19372]

46 minutes ago, brelic said:

 

Yes, no doubt about that. 

My problem isn't with that desperate call to bring Patrick up, as much as it was drafting a player with injury issues to begin with. Don't get me wrong, Patrick is very talented, but he won't do the Flyers much good (obviously), if he's in and out of the lineup every 3 weeks. I know he was the consensus #2 pick, but maybe it would have been in hindsight to have looked in another direction in that draft.

Edited November 21, 2019 by FD19372

[OccamsRazor]

20 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

I know he wan the consensus #2 pick

 

Exactly so he could have let someone else make that pick....him seemed like he wanted to take the "safe route" in every other opportunity...why vear from that then in that instant??

[FD19372]

24 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Exactly so he could have let someone else make that pick....him seemed like he wanted to take the "safe route" in every other opportunity...why vear from that then in that instant??

The more we distance ourselves in time from the Hextall era, the less I miss him being here. Perhaps, that was solely a Hextall pick. It may not primarily be the whole "vending machine/health food" thing....not allowing a Club Med atmosphere, that got him fired. Maybe their was controversy as to who to take with that pick.

[FD19372]

7 hours ago, FD19372 said:

The more we distance ourselves in time from the Hextall era, the less I miss him being here. Perhaps, that was solely a Hextall pick. It may not primarily be the whole "vending machine/health food" thing....not allowing a Club Med atmosphere, that got him fired. Maybe their was controversy as to who to take with that pick.

Maybe there was controversy as to who to take with that pick. I don't Merriam or Webster to come after me with my my misspell.

Edited November 22, 2019 by FD19372

[OccamsRazor]

On 11/21/2019 at 10:15 AM, brelic said:

I mean, to be fair, they passed on Heiskanen too because they weren't looking for a defenseman.

 

Just more salt in the wound...

 

 

 

 

Ugh it hurts....someone make it stop....

[FD19372]

14 hours ago, FD19372 said:

Maybe there was controversy as to who to take with that pick. I don't Merriam or Webster to come after me with my my misspell.

Typing from my phone on this site from my cellphone is impossible, but I think you all know what I meant in my last sentence.

[radoran]

14 hours ago, FD19372 said:

Maybe there was controversy as to who to take with that pick. I don't Merriam or Webster to come after me with my my misspell.

 

IIRC, the consensus was that Patrick and Hischier were the clear 1/2 picks in what was not considered a particularly good - or deep - draft.

 

I think many fans were happy to get the Canadian of the two.

 

Still think that the organization - and by that, we obviously include Hextall - unnecessarily rushed the kid into the bigs. Can be hard at 19/20 to go from playing 33 games in Junior (due to injury) to 73 games as a second line center with expectations in the NHL.

[FD19372]

2 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

IIRC, the consensus was that Patrick and Hischier were the clear 1/2 picks in what was not considered a particularly good - or deep - draft.

 

I think many fans were happy to get the Canadian of the two.

 

Still think that the organization - and by that, we obviously include Hextall - unnecessarily rushed the kid into the bigs. Can be hard at 19/20 to go from playing 33 games in Junior (due to injury) to 73 games as a second line center with expectations in the NHL.

Being that we had little depth at center at the time, I understand why. That being said, as you state...it was a bad choice. My other issue is, the kid had injury issues before he was drafted did he not? That should have been a major red flag.

[OccamsRazor]

8 minutes ago, radoran said:

I think many fans were happy to get the Canadian of the two.

 

And many of us were worried with his history and combined with the Flyer's luck that - well something like what has happened...would.

 

And would have preferred to play it safe and trade back...but hey let's play Devil's advocate and i will say no one else wanted that hard decision.

 

Regardless the bed has been made so might as well lay in it...

[radoran]

2 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

Being that we had little depth at center at the time, I understand why. That being said, as you state...it was a bad choice. My other issue is, the kid had injury issues before he was drafted did he not? That should have been a major red flag.

 

He had abdominal surgery the summer before his first season and missed the developmental camp. Apparently a sports hernia that lingered...

 

I get that they were looking for a second line center (and still were two years later...). I'm just not a fan of doing something "because you have to" if it means a long term problem. Hard to predict, I'll grant you, and he may not have had much to gain from another year in Junior aside from building up stamina.