ruxpin Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: I'm not sure he's a problem but he sure doesn't seem like part of the solution... That's probably a much better way of putting it. His being C might justifiably be part of the problem. Again, it's really hard to argue against the production and skill. I'm not running him out of town or anything, and it's still really early in this season. But if the season progresses and it looks a hell of a lot like previous seasons, it's something that needs to be considered. Honestly, between statements toward the end of last year and his play this year, it's actually Voracek that seems like he really no longer wants to be here. If we're offered a good return, move him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Yeah, can't strip him of the C and have him remain on the team. Not after 7 years. No real obvious successor and not doing that to Coots or someone even younger and have a disgruntled former captain still in the room. Giroux has to remain captain while he's here. I move other people out first, but I'm actually convinced he's a problem. Well he just had a child so let's do him a solid and trade him home to Ottawa... ...I'll take Brady Tkachuk in the return. And if you want to get creative I'll even send him his good friend with him in a package... Edited October 16, 2019 by OccamsRazor Clarify 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, ruxpin said: it's actually Voracek that seems like he really no longer wants to be here. If we're offered a good return, move him. Fltecher: "Hi, yeah - I've got a disinterested winger who has been pretty disappointing and a bit of a malcontent who doesn't want to be here any more and is signed for four more seasons at $8.25M per - I'm looking for a good return on this. Whaddya got?" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, radoran said: Fltecher: "Hi, yeah - I've got a disinterested winger who has been pretty disappointing and a bit of a malcontent who doesn't want to be here any more and is signed for four more seasons at $8.25M per - I'm looking for a good return on this. Whaddya got?" LOL...maybe we send Giroux out as well. He can be marketed as a new father and "Ginger," which seems to be hot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, ruxpin said: Where is Yoko? You rang? (Pro Tip...this video is even funnier played in 2X with subtitles enabled) (The comment section is also worth a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) Yeah, I think it would be tough to strip Giroux of the C at this point. Not only would he still be on the team, which seems like a bad recipe, but really who else would become captain? What does he lack in a captain? Does anyone else have whatever that is? In terms of skill, he's clearly the top of the heap right now and has been pretty much the whole time he's worn the jersey. No other player on this team right now is likely to suddenly become better than him at playing hockey. I can understand that skill doesn't equate to leadership, but it's usually a pretty substantial component. It's also the one that easiest to measure. Second to him in terms of skill to me has to be Couturier right now. I can see Provo becoming more integral in the long run, but he's not there yet. Does Couts have something Giroux lacks that would make him a better captain? I don't know. What would that even be? I mean, I do get the idea of shaking things up -- although I'll add again that much of this seems premature after three games -- but it's not as easy as stripping someone of a title. Stripping Giroux of the C without a proper replacement seems like a pointless endeavour to me. And for those who somehow think this would be about "sending a message", I feel the need to point out that punishments are a pretty awful tool in a situation like this. These are grown a** adults who play professionally at an absurdly high level. They are not five year old children acting up and not listening in a classroom. I think it's safe to assume Giroux is trying the absolute best he can. Punishment is generally a poor tool even for children -- as opposed to reinforcement anyway -- the difference is even more pronounced at such a high level of competency. It's entirely possible he is lacking something, just as it's possible he's not really the problem. Try making a cake with only flour and see how it works out. The "core" is more than just the guy who is easily one of the most talented players to ever suit up for this team. There are others I would suggest dealing with before going the route of stripping letters and moving the only truly elite player we've had in a decade. Edited October 16, 2019 by elmatus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, ruxpin said: Also, at this point, other than to shop him is there any reason to have Ghost in the lineup over Morin or Myers? Ghost has become a liability at this point, and I don't think it's going to improve. Ghost has been unable to get off any point shots with any regularity for 2 years now. Is it him or have teams figured him out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I give it 15 to 20 games before Farabee and Meyers are called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, ruxpin said: Second mascot. Name: Filthy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, ruxpin said: Second mascot. Name: Filthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, ruxpin said: Second mascot. Name: Filthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Ehlers was on the block this offseason. He was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Howie58 said: "Ginger," which seems to be hot Recessive gene be damned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Name: Filthy Or I could name him Filthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Podein25 said: He was? Depends on who you listen to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Depends on who you listen to... It certainly does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Depends on who you listen to... Get your sports news from FoxNews, do ya? (no, his name did float around some when they were trying to figure out their cap situation. I'm not sure how official that was or fan talk, but I do remember it). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The big boys have to get it done ...period.. Flyers .......4 oilers..........2 I don't care just get it done .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Podein25 said: It certainly does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Looks like the lineup changed... and the lines also .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Terrible turnover by Lindblom lead to the first goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Ummmm….trade Jake now his value will never be higher??? He just scores his first to even up the game at 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Hayes has been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 • at Canucks — goal allowed 5:01 into game • at Flames — goal allowed 1:35 into game • at Oilers — goal allowed 1:13 into game Not how you want to start on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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