King Knut Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, brelic said: Interesting. I’d be tempted to ask about Hoffman, and a swap would depend on a few things. What’s going the other way? And how much for how long does Hoffman want? He’s 29, so not really interested in giving him a 7 year deal. If he wants 5 or less, I’d swap Voracek for him. If we actually want to start changing the core, this is one way to do it. I’d keep JVR. I don’t do it. He’s On fire right now, but historically he’s not better than either Jake or JVR at what they do. I know everyone thinks Jakes lazy and JVR’s slow, and a lot of the time you’re right, but there’s not much reason to overspend for Hoffman. If I’d consider trading him for JVR just to get JVR off the books and make top 6 room for Farabee if I thought Hoffman would sign for less than 6 years, but he won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I found a new place for the games for free on my phone I think this link will work for tonight's game. http://sportsstats.xyz/www.sportsstats.me/nhl2/Flyers.php?my_app=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Well the link works if any hasn't tried it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyersFan4Life Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Man this team is pathetic. Where is the leadership on this team. They all look terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 hours ago, King Knut said: I think the Flyers are pretty ticked after the last game. Should hopefully be healthier too. Yeah not so much. Struggling? I got just the thing for you introducing the Philadelphia Flyers in their barn... SMFH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkscrewy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 15 shots, 4 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I feel bad for the fans who had to travel back and forth for the ****** excuse of a game. Who shall we fire next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califlyerfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 They’ve been braking my heart since 1976. Broad street bullies are gone forever...sad 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I’m going to get toasted for this but it starts at the top.... you’ve done a complete overhaul of coaching staff.... this team does it year in and year out of starting slow. I say it is time to move “a star” player if practicable. I’m sick of excuses for this team. Period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, pilldoc said: I’m going to get toasted for this but it starts at the top.... you’ve done a complete overhaul of coaching staff.... this team does it year in and year out of starting slow. I say it is time to move “a star” player if practicable. I’m sick of excuses for this team. Period. 41 minutes ago, Califlyerfan said: They’ve been braking my heart since 1976. Broad street bullies are gone forever...sad Well at least they signed Stewart to get the crowd cheering.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 12 hours ago, intheslot said: Be a good game for ..G to put the bisket in the basket.. He has got to find his scoring touch and lead this team ... Flyers............4 Stars.............1. Close....just got the order wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: I feel bad for the fans who had to travel back and forth for the ****** excuse of a game. Who shall we fire next? Thanks...was my first game all season...what a dud. The arena renovations are nice but when the product on the ice sucks who cares? It is like a 3 ring circus in there nowadays with all the amenities and special effects and yet there is no atmosphere. The place seemed half empty and the fans are only partially engaged as there is so much other stuff going on, it is to the point of overstimulation. The most entertaining part for me were these 2 twenty something girls next to me (who obviously never watched much hockey) who were trying to figure the game out and making really funny comments. The best part is when we pulled Hart at the end and they are screaming about "where is the goalie ??? He better get his butt back in the net..."What is he doing??? He is going to cost us the game!!! Didn't he notice the play started???" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 Well, my fears were confirmed. We laid a turd. We change coaches but same crap as last two years. We win faceoffs and outshoot our opponents by wide margins, but lose by a wide margin. How do you spell Talent Deficit? Making matters worse: Carter is human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Hart might eventually be the one but right now he's no better than any of the previous goalies in the last 15 years. I don't pin that whole game on him but 3 goals in 15 shots isn't getting it done. Flyers came out strong and with 1-0 lead needed a big save and didn't get it. That let the air out of the building and ushered in the the Flyers of old. Does Chucky start thinking trades? Because I'm starting to think if this ship doesn't turn by the end October, it's time to rattle the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Thankful I had fun things to do last night and didn’t get to watch. Was it as bad as it sounds? Flyers booed off home ice already? Lol the honeymoon lasted one home game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Poulin20 said: The best part is when we pulled Hart at the end and they are screaming about "where is the goalie ??? He better get his butt back in the net..."What is he doing??? He is going to cost us the game!!! Didn't he notice the play started???" LOL ...that is truly funny yet sad. So are these the types of fans the Flyers are no attracting? Fans that have absolutely no knowledge of the game? Granted everyone must start from the beginning. (I'm not saying all new fans are totally uneducated about the game). Yet these are the fans who will fill the seats despite the product on the ice and good ol' Comcast will still get their $$$$. 3 hours ago, Digityman said: Does Chucky start thinking trades? Because I'm starting to think if this ship doesn't turn by the end October, it's time to rattle the core. Hence the reason for my comment. We have changed coaches ...yet again. This time the coaches HAVE tons of experience NHL coaching. At what point does the finger start pointing to the players on the ice. And NO i'm not talking about the 3rd and 4th line younger players. I'm talking about the veteran core. Many on here have argued against trading them. However realistically they just may be average NHL players and the organization and at times, we as the fan base, have simply overvalued them. I know I will draw the ire of some on here with that comment but what has our core done so far this year? Yet again ... 6 games into the new season and already it is clearly evident how slow this team has started ...again ... Folks there are some ugly numbers here ..... after 6 games ...... Let this sink in ..after 6 games TK and Lindblom have more goals than G / Jake / JVR / Hayes COMBINED! Player GP G A P +/- Travis Konecny 6 3 5 8 0 Claude Giroux 6 0 4 4 -1 Oskar Lindblom 6 3 1 4 -4 Sean Couturier 6 2 2 4 -2 Jakub Voracek 6 2 1 3 -5 Kevin Hayes 6 1 0 1 -4 James van Riemsdyk 6 0 0 0 -2 Folks this is putrid to the nth degree ...... This is the core we have had for several years, except for Hayes. Things have changed in this organization except for the common denominator .... Jake / Giroux / Coots Someone for the love of god explain to me why the hell JVR is still on this friggin team. He is a PP specialist and that is it. It gets worse .... Let me keep going ...The Flyers have exactly 15 goals this season. That is good for 2nd last in the entire league....(tied with Rangers and Blackhawks. Only the Wild have score less. Matter of fact 10 teams have doubled the Flyers output so far ....... again let that sink in... Folks we used to laugh at the the Sabres but look at them ..... 7-1-1 with 35 goals scored and only 21 given up ..... I know we are only 6 games but this ship needs to righted NOW!!!! I am venting yes ..... but that game I watched last night is a far cry from the team we saw against the Devils. And NO the NHL did them NO favor by scheduling the Flyers the way they did and that certainly does not help ........ (Stepping off soapbox) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Digityman said: Does Chucky start thinking trades? Because I'm starting to think if this ship doesn't turn by the end October, it's time to rattle the core. I know everyone wants to trade the human turnover Voracek but I can’t see anyone taking his huge contract. We are stuck with him , we just have to hope he is taken in the expansion draft. JVR is not gonna score anything with his current linemates, we need to call up Farabee and Rubstov to play on the third line. The 4th line should be Raffl, Twarynski and Laughton. Shitlick and Stewart should be extras. We have a surplus on defense , so if any trade is to be made that’s where it has to come from. Haag or Morin will get you a second round pick tops or a prospect , that’s not helping us now. The most quality return we will get is if we deal Ghost and then Meyers can step into his spot and Morin and Haag can battle for the 6th and 7th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, pilldoc said: Many on here have argued against trading them. @brelic And i just discussed i think earlier in this thread about the availability of Hoffman from the the Panthers. I suggested maybe Jake or my preference JVR for him...the sticking point is what he would want in return. Hoffman is 6 months younger than JVR but he won't resign with the Panthers. JVR would give them a winger under contract 3 more years after the upcoming season. I would even try and get creative and put Ghost in the package to shake the team up and give him a chance to go play for his home team. Soi wonder what we could get in return with a JVR/Ghost package?? Thoughts? Sure i need to know what Hoffman would want in return too but it's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: The most quality return we will get is if we deal Ghost See my last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 For info purposes for those who don't know the Cap Situation .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, pilldoc said: Someone for the love of god explain to me why the hell JVR is still on this friggin team. He started off last year and took a while to get going last year and got on a tear last half the year. No excuse this year and still he shows nothing....the Flyers don't have time for this whimp to get his shat together by January. I say trade the clown if you can i'm already tired of his play....i was leary of his resigning when Hextall did it last year and well now we are seeing what i feared a guy who shows up when he feels like it. He isn't the only one but moving him would send a message. Hell and honestly i would move Jake too if you can find a taker. Hell i would even take a 1st in the next two drafts to move him. 28 Claude Giroux - 14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny68 Mike Hoffman - 13 Kevin Hayes - 23 Oskar Lindblom49 Joel Farabee - 48 Morgan Frost - 22 Nicolas Aube-Kubel12 Michael Raffl - 21 Scott Laughton - 18 Tyler Pitlick And don't and give me this oh i'm scared to play that many kids on the the same line crap (not to you doc to anyone really) they aren't play worth a sh it with all these vets so f**k it if they are going to lose let the kids get some experience they will come around. Thes kid obviously know how to play away from the puck and how to get the puck....USE THEM NOW points are slipping away! Edited October 20, 2019 by OccamsRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Poulin20 said: Thanks...was my first game all season...what a dud. The arena renovations are nice but when the product on the ice sucks who cares? It is like a 3 ring circus in there nowadays with all the amenities and special effects and yet there is no atmosphere. The place seemed half empty and the fans are only partially engaged as there is so much other stuff going on, it is to the point of overstimulation. The most entertaining part for me were these 2 twenty something girls next to me (who obviously never watched much hockey) who were trying to figure the game out and making really funny comments. The best part is when we pulled Hart at the end and they are screaming about "where is the goalie ??? He better get his butt back in the net..."What is he doing??? He is going to cost us the game!!! Didn't he notice the play started???" Sounds like if this keep up that is all the type of fans who will be at the games loyal fans like you i imagine will find something else to do with your hard earned money....it's one thing to do like i do pay a $100+ bucks for the TV package and if they shat the bed just turn it off or to something else but for folks who take the time to travel to and from the game they will surely stop doing that soon too. Or i hope yall do it is the only way they will take note when the seats aren't filling up otherwise if there are butts in seats they will continue to not give a f**k i'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: 49 Joel Farabee - 48 Morgan Frost - 22 Nicolas Aube-Kubel12 Michael Raffl - 21 Scott Laughton - 18 Tyler Pitlick And don't and me this oh i'm scared to play that many kids on the the same line crap (not to you doc to anyone really) they aren't play worth a sh it with all these vets so f**k it if they are going to lose let the kids get some experience they will come around. I would seriously do that ....and oh I agree ... I was never in the don't play the kids camp ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, pilldoc said: I would seriously do that ....and oh I agree ... I was never in the don't play the kids camp ...... Mike Hoffman can play all 3 forward positions i would surely give him what JVR had remaining on his contract to get it done. 4 years 28 mill....7 mill per AAV. He is worth that. He put up 36 goals 70 points last year. 2017-18 56 points 2016-17 61 points 2015-16 59 points That is more consistent than Hayes. Edited October 20, 2019 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, King Knut said: I know everyone thinks Jakes lazy Just for whatever it's worth, I myself have never thought Jake was lazy. Just stupid. Dog#### pudding stupid. Edited October 20, 2019 by ruxpin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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