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RonJeremy

We really need some help on offense.

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We gotta find some scoring somehow, we have some skilled young guys in our system that should eventually become good scorers , but in the meantime  we have to face the facts the JVR, G and Jakes offense output will continue to diminish. Our defense is pretty good even without Ghost but our offense is pathetic. 

 

So is there a scorer on the trading block that we can get for Ghost?  I like Max Domi for Ghost, Domi adds offense and toughness two things we severely lack.

Is there a skilled goal scorer available in the draft where we can trade up, maybe hold on to Ghost  and use him in a package to move up.

Is there an UFA goal scorer we can sign, who wont turn into JVR and Jake when he hits 30?

There is no way we can go into next season with the same underachieving veterans. In tough games you expect the kids to get shutdown,  but our vets are not clutch at all except for Hayes.

 

 

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13 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

We gotta find some scoring somehow, we have some skilled young guys in our system that should eventually become good scorers , but in the meantime  we have to face the facts the JVR, G and Jakes offense output will continue to diminish. Our defense is pretty good even without Ghost but our offense is pathetic. 

 

So is there a scorer on the trading block that we can get for Ghost?  I like Max Domi for Ghost, Domi adds offense and toughness two things we severely lack.

Is there a skilled goal scorer available in the draft where we can trade up, maybe hold on to Ghost  and use him in a package to move up.

Is there an UFA goal scorer we can sign, who wont turn into JVR and Jake when he hits 30?

There is no way we can go into next season with the same underachieving veterans. In tough games you expect the kids to get shutdown,  but our vets are not clutch at all except for Hayes.

 

 

 

I agree with a lot of this. Ghost should have been traded at least last season of course, but he wasn't. What we might be able to get for the guy now is something fairly questionable unfortunately.

 

First thing of note is that Ghost is expected to contribute scoring more than anything, and he just hasn't done that consistently at all throughout his career. Sure, he's had two good seasons, but then he's had two poor ones, and he's on track for his lowest scoring total to date in 19-20 (~24-25pts). The other reason for his being on any NHL team is to be a PP quarterback. He's been supplanted in that role this season by a much better dman in Provo, and I would argue Niskanen as well. 

 

So he's not doing his job. Period. Not only that, but this season isn't some sort of anomaly. He wasn't good last season either. What can we get for a guy like Ghost in a trade? Honestly, probably a lot less than what we'd want. I'm not even convinced Seattle would take him at this point. Hell, even Voracek, universally panned though he so frequently is, remains significantly more valuable to a team than Ghost at this point.

 

To your second point about Domi: I like Domi, but Ghost is definitely not going to cut it. Not only is he on pace for 65-70pts this season, he got 72 last season as well. If anything, he's getting better as he enters his prime years. Getting a guy like that at all would be tough as hell. So not only is Ghost not enough, we may not like what it would take to get him at all.

 

I should add also that Domi really isn't all that tough in the sense you might think. He's smallish, and fast, and skilled, and nothing at all like his dad. I know you're a fan of the Tkachuk types. He's not really that kind of guy.

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I honestly believe Ghost needs a change of scenery. It looks like he has lost his confidence. Instead of being THE guy on defense, he's just A guy. I believe he can be packaged on what his potential is, not what the results are over the last two seasons.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, CoachX said:

I honestly believe Ghost needs a change of scenery. It looks like he has lost his confidence. Instead of being THE guy on defense, he's just A guy. I believe he can be packaged on what his potential is, not what the results are over the last two seasons.

 

 

 I think you're probably right about that, but I don't think we'll be getting a Max Domi out of that kind of trade. At least not unless we're tossing something else that is shinier than Ghost along with him, which frankly we don't have much of right now.

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Does Ghosts value go up at the deadline with teams looking for that one piece?

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2 hours ago, CoachX said:

I believe he can be packaged on what his potential is, not what the results are over the last two seasons.

 

I would love to bundle him and JVR together to some other team.

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5 hours ago, elmatus said:

 

I agree with a lot of this. Ghost should have been traded at least last season of course, but he wasn't. What we might be able to get for the guy now is something fairly questionable unfortunately.

 

First thing of note is that Ghost is expected to contribute scoring more than anything, and he just hasn't done that consistently at all throughout his career. Sure, he's had two good seasons, but then he's had two poor ones, and he's on track for his lowest scoring total to date in 19-20 (~24-25pts). The other reason for his being on any NHL team is to be a PP quarterback. He's been supplanted in that role this season by a much better dman in Provo, and I would argue Niskanen as well. 

 

So he's not doing his job. Period. Not only that, but this season isn't some sort of anomaly. He wasn't good last season either. 

 

I should add also that Domi really isn't all that tough in the sense you might think. He's smallish, and fast, and skilled, and nothing at all like his dad. I know you're a fan of the Tkachuk types. He's not really that kind of guy.

I know Max is not that big and hes not as tough as his dad ,but for his size he is pretty tough and can play a physical game and I have seen him fight some bigger guys and beat them. He will definitely stand up for his teammates . Your right about Ghost and his diminishing value. I know Montreal is desperate for a defenseman , I just wonder , who we can package with Ghost to get Domi. O' Brian, Vorobyev , Rubstov as a last resort. Ghost and JVR works for me.

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What the Flyers need is NIGHTLY help from their big guns. The ones who concern me the most is Jake and JVR that is well documented by many here including me.

 

Jake has come alive in recent weeks. Just since turning 2020 he has 6 points in 7 games. Very well they will need more of that to get to where they want to go. It doesn't have to be in the form of the game winner on a nightly basis (but if he wants to provide more of those i promise you you won't find one Flyer fan here who would object to that) but it needs to be in some form of helping put pucks in the net.

 

In these cases or games very assist is as crucial as every goal scored the need wins.

 

So this brings me back to the biggest horse beat this season i think and it is JVR and hi finding a way to help score goals.

 

And last he did on the TK goal...very nice play. The problem??? They need more of that.

 

Since it has turned 2020 (i think that is far enough to go back and look at now - it's recent) He has two assist in the last 7 games of 2020 and they came in the just the last two games.

 

The really downside of his game that is killing the play is his play away from the puck and help getting the puck back.

 

In just these 7 games this is his nightly stat line he is -6 still....that has to change if they are to get to the playoffs.

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I'm going to ignore JVR, like he ignores the puck

 

Back to Jake.... I didn't realize the point output recently. Thats nice. What I have noticed is his strong play on the puck, and him keeping offensive pressure. The Blues had one helluva time trying to get the puck from him

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On 1/13/2020 at 7:51 PM, RonJeremy said:

We gotta find some scoring somehow, we have some skilled young guys in our system that should eventually become good scorers , but in the meantime  we have to face the facts the JVR, G and Jakes offense output will continue to diminish. Our defense is pretty good even without Ghost but our offense is pathetic. 

 

So is there a scorer on the trading block that we can get for Ghost?  I like Max Domi for Ghost, Domi adds offense and toughness two things we severely lack.

Is there a skilled goal scorer available in the draft where we can trade up, maybe hold on to Ghost  and use him in a package to move up.

Is there an UFA goal scorer we can sign, who wont turn into JVR and Jake when he hits 30?

There is no way we can go into next season with the same underachieving veterans. In tough games you expect the kids to get shutdown,  but our vets are not clutch at all except for Hayes.

 

 

 

If any NHL team has to regularly score 5 goals to win games, they’re just not going to win many games.  

 

When the Flyers give up a bunch of goals, and they don’t score a bunch more, the problem isn’t the bunch more they couldn’t get.  

 

So I’m sorry, but offense just isn’t the problem.  The injuries and illnesses to Nolan and Oskar have really screwed with the bottom six.  When the bottom six get exploited, the Flyers lose.  

 

What was was meant to be our 4th line or our 13th man is regularly filling in on the third.  Now with Raffl out again, they’re going to be even more exploitable once again. 

 

I really have trouble with how Misha and Ruby haven’t progressed.  Bunny, Andreoff, NAK are trying but they’re exploitable.  They’re just not solid bottom Sixers. 

 

Myers and Sanheim are also both still working out their own end kinks and are exploitable at times too.  

 

They didnt score against Tampa, but they only gave up 1 goal themselves and it was a very tight game against a great and hot team.  Other than that, their recent losses have been in games where they gave up 4,5 or 6 goals each time.  

 

Doesn't matter what your offense looks like. If you need to outscore that, you’re not winning a ton of games.  

 

They need to figure out how to make the bottom six a safer option for the stretches of the game where they need them.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, King Knut said:

When the bottom six get exploited,

 

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

even more exploitable once again.

 

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

are exploitable at times too

 

I'm sensing a theme.
 

And not to get too nitpicky, but I think the term you are really looking for is "exposed" (although I can see how both words kinda fit).

 

Anyway, carry on. Imma gonna go listen to The Exploited

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1 hour ago, Podein25 said:

 

 

 

I'm sensing a theme.
 

And not to get too nitpicky, but I think the term you are really looking for is "exposed" (although I can see how both words kinda fit).

 

Anyway, carry on. Imma gonna go listen to The Exploited

 

Repetition is a rhetorical technique.  

 

I would still prefer exploited to exposed.   I believe they’ve been exposed, which is what enables teams (mostly on the road) to exploit the weakness. 

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      We gotta find some scoring somehow, we have some skilled young guys in our system that should eventually become good scorers , but in the meantime  we have to face the facts the JVR, G and Jakes offense output will continue to diminish. Our defense is pretty good even without Ghost but our offense is pathetic.    So is there a scorer on the trading block that we can get for Ghost?  I like Max Domi for Ghost, Domi adds offense and toughness two things we severely lack. Is there a s
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      I agree with a lot of this. Ghost should have been traded at least last season of course, but he wasn't. What we might be able to get for the guy now is something fairly questionable unfortunately.   First thing of note is that Ghost is expected to contribute scoring more than anything, and he just hasn't done that consistently at all throughout his career. Sure, he's had two good seasons, but then he's had two poor ones, and he's on track for his lowest scoring total to date in 19-20
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      I honestly believe Ghost needs a change of scenery. It looks like he has lost his confidence. Instead of being THE guy on defense, he's just A guy. I believe he can be packaged on what his potential is, not what the results are over the last two seasons.    
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      I think you're probably right about that, but I don't think we'll be getting a Max Domi out of that kind of trade. At least not unless we're tossing something else that is shinier than Ghost along with him, which frankly we don't have much of right now.
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      I would love to bundle him and JVR together to some other team.

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