Round 2: Flyers vs Islanders Thread

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[Podein25]

Games tonight cancelled per Dreger

[CoachX]

16 minutes ago, mkscrewy said:

Let he who is without cop ass-grab be the first to call for G's benching.

 

 

Nobody? That's what I thought.

im not sure how I feel about this post

 

[CoachX]

19 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

I still see a guy who cares. He can win faceoffs, can skate still, and can make plays. I don't see a guy taking shifts off like you see with guys like JVR. He's trying.

I'm on board with this. Maybe Giroux's future with this team is 3rd line center, face off specialist and on the PP. And, he can still wear the "C"

 

I don't think Dave Poulin was a top line guy, but he was a great "C"

[mojo1917]

5 minutes ago, CoachX said:

 

I don't think Dave Poulin was a top line guy, but he was a great "C

was one of my favorites as wee lad.

Edited August 27, 2020 by mojo1917

[mojo1917]

10 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

Games tonight cancelled per Dreger

Sports has been a nice salve for the crushing monotony of the pandemic, that said, men standing for what they believe and or with their mates is never a bad thing.

 

My hope for this gesture is that it becomes more than just a gesture.

I hope these guys taking these stands can affect real change in our community. 

 

We may disagree- but I value you all as humans. 

[TedZep]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Wow. Missed his son's first birthday...wasn't aware...

 

 

....ok as a father i will admit that this would be hard. So i promise i will cut Giroux some slack moving forward.

 

I am pulling for out Captain.

 

 

I want to eventually see a picture of young "Gavers" sitting in the Stanley Cup, yes I do.

 

 

[eleven24]

Decades from now people are going to look back on 2020 and what humanity endured.  I hope they do so while pointing to this moment in time as when the world became a better place.

 

 

[Poulin20]

16 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

was one of my favorites as wee lad.

Definitely one of my favs!

[Podein25]

14 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I value you all as humans. 

 

Like, including Leafs and Penguins fans?

 

Asking for a friend.

[mojo1917]

2 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

Like, including Leafs and Penguins fans?

 

Asking for a friend.

No **** them...c'mon man.

[CoachX]

1 minute ago, mojo1917 said:

No **** them...c'mon man.

strong answer. I had "REPORTED" typed and ready to go, finger hovering over send

[CoachX]

So what's the deal? Is the game cancelled or not? I can't find any official announcement

[AlaskaFlyerFan]

28 minutes ago, CoachX said:

So what's the deal? Is the game cancelled or not? I can't find any official announcement

NHL.com still shows the games scheduled.  ESPN shows postponed

[Podein25]

12 minutes ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said:

NHL.com still shows the games scheduled.  ESPN shows postponed

 

Just not official yet. They league and the PA are working on the press release. Almost 4:30 in Toronto so I'd expect something out very soon

[RonJeremy]

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

@OccamsRazor

Guy's 32 been playing in the league since he was 22, he's not big, I think there is a "mileage" factor. In the NBA when a player hits 1100 games their play declines...I wonder if this is happening with Giroux? He might not be a top line guy anymore, that could be true.

 

I don't think he should be absolved from criticism, I do think those who are questioning his effort and desire are high and would like for marijuana to be legal in my state too. 

I think there are 2 things contributing to much of this criticism; he makes a big salary that he signed when he was top 10/15 in the league. His compensation was commensurate with his performance.  Also, there was that time he was day drinking and grabbed the cop's ass.  That caused about 1/2 the fan base to turn on him because, he might be a "light running homosexual".  

Those are 2 things that have zero to do with what actually happens on the ice but shade everyone's opinion of him.

 

I would like to posit this.

It could very well be we are witness to his physical decline, he has not been effective nor dominant as he was as a younger man.

The reason the team bounces back is because of leadership. Of which he plays a large role.

There would have been zero reason to watch this team over the last 8 years were he not on it.

They were objectively a bad team for much of the teens. Wasting his prime years on rebuilds.

 

I am sure Giroux is in a career decline, which is expected as you get older. I do think if he did the right kind of offseason training he could certainly strengthen his legs and work on his stamina and it would improve his game . The coaching staff can also help out by cutting down his ice time a little bit and prolong his career.

[OccamsRazor]

 

SMFH

[Howie58]

Greetings:

 

I just saw this from earlier this PM.

 

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/29754002/flyers-islanders-golden-knights-canucks-played-thursday

 

Best,

 

Howie

[eleven24]

Ok, I know the reason for the postponing of the games is for a good cause... but hockey speaking, I think this is great for the Flyers.

 

It's seemed to me for quite awhile now that they look tired at times.  A rest and regroup should serve them well.  Even if after the games resume the schedule will be even tighter.

[mojo1917]

16 hours ago, eleven24 said:

Ok, I know the reason for the postponing of the games is for a good cause... but hockey speaking, I think this is great for the Flyers.

 

It's seemed to me for quite awhile now that they look tired at times.  A rest and regroup should serve them well.  Even if after the games resume the schedule will be even tighter.

 

I have wondered about the schedule, is there a hard "out" with the arenas? seems to me like there isn't anything else going on, what's the rush?

Also, noticed coach Vigneault taking some heat because he doesn't know or care to comment about what's going on outside of the bubble. 

I'm glad he's watching film and trying to work on match-ups rather than live tweeting the RNC.    I would like to think he'd have the opportunity to tilt a martini occasionally, maybe he's doing that anyway and has a frightening room service bill. 

[Podein25]

16 hours ago, eleven24 said:

It's seemed to me for quite awhile now that they look tired at times.  A rest and regroup should serve them well.  Even if after the games resume the schedule will be even tighter.

 

I don't necessarily see tiredness.

 

I see lots of other problems with our team game, but much of it can be addressed through simplification and a stronger commitment to better gap control and better puck support. 

[OccamsRazor]

50 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

 

I have wondered about the schedule, is there a hard "out" with the arenas? seems to me like there isn't anything else going on, what's the rush?

Also, noticed coach Vigneault taking some heat because he doesn't know or care to comment about what's going on outside of the bubble. 

I'm glad he's watching film and trying to work on match-ups rather than live tweeting the RNC.    I would like to think he'd have the opportunity to tilt a martini occasionally, maybe he's doing that anyway and has a frightening room service bill. 

 

The only thing I can guess and I'm only guessing here is they don't want to competing with basketball playoffs, baseball and college football as well as NFL in the coming weeks while they are competing for a Covid Cup.

 

It's all I got so not why there would be a rush besides that especially with the back to back games they had scheduled.

 

Man could you imagine having back to back games and then the first one goes into 3 or 4 OTs before claiming a winner  and then trying to play again in 18 hours or something?

[OccamsRazor]

Just now, Podein25 said:

 

I don't necessarily see tiredness.

 

I see lots of other problems with our team game, but much of it can be addressed through simplification and a stronger commitment to better gap control and better puck support. 

 

Yes and quicker decisions making once you have the puck. And the Isles do this do well they obtain the puck and don't skate with it long they move it up ice with passes not skating.

 

This is something that has plagued the Flyers for years inaccurate passes and then not being able to clean receive it and go or pass it further.

 

I don't know how one team can be so quick and crisp and the other slow and sloppy.

 

I hope they can work it out.

[Podein25]

1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said:

Yes and quicker decisions making once you have the puck. And the Isles do this do well they obtain the puck and don't skate with it long they move it up ice with passes not skating.

 

This is something that has plagued the Flyers for years inaccurate passes and then not being able to clean receive it and go or pass it further.

 

I think there have been issues in the past with some of the fundamentals like passing - I'm always going on about pro hockey players not being able to make a 3 foot pass - but most of the time it is a symptom of something else (poor puck support, poor gaps, poor angles, poor positioning etc), not the cause. I know I've been saying this kind of thing a lot lately. 

 

The Isles are plenty fast and plenty aggressive. When it works and you don't have good support to make quick plays and exits, it's very effective. But it's also prone to odd-man rushes and we've seen that. We've had plenty of 2 on 1s and plenty of breakaways. 

 

I'd like to see more of what transpired on Coot's goal to make it 3-0. The pass by Sanheim was all world, but it was only possible because of great positioning and a great touch play by Giroux (at the 1:24 mark):

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

57 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

When it works and you don't have good support to make quick plays and exits, it's very effective.

 

I agree with a lot you said, but in the Flyers case a lot of what I am seeing is when the lane is there to make said pass they don't jump on the chance.

 

They keep it till the Isles converge on them and the window to make the pass has shunk immensely or is not even there and then they'll try and force it and send a sloppy hard to handle pass to the guy with a lot of times it being in their skates.

 

It would be nice to seem make a quick decision and commit to the is no time out there for hesitation.