Fizz Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, mojo1917 said: this is correct for how I was interpreting this idea. The coaches would be the senior leaders. I wasn't dragging Dave Scott into the flow chart. So, during that time, who would you have built around or tried to build around ? Name 4 Flyers all-stars who were not them during that stretch, Konecny, Timnonen, and... who else am I missing. I can agree, G was never a captain prior to the NHL, was too young, shouldn't have been thrust upon the fanbase as the replacement for Dave Poulin and all the great Flyers captains. The team was terrible for most of the VeeGees® radoran time. I don't think the reason the team was bad was because G wasn't leading, it was because the team was suk. If he were worse in all facets of the game and responsibilities, it may have worked out better for the team, higher picks less playoffs, more cracks at that sweet sweet lottery luck. Like I said, I'm over it, trade him- get a 2022 1st round pick and Alex Newhook. Shed salary and go free-agent shopping/trading in the offseason. No way you are getting anything close to that for him, or that matter current f Flyer with the exception of Carter Hart. Too much wishful thinking on here not rooted in reality. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fizz said: No way you are getting anything close to that for him, or that matter current f Flyer with the exception of Carter Hart. Too much wishful thinking on here not rooted in reality. IMO. Okay thanks for the input. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, mojo1917 said: Okay thanks for the input. What my opinion doesn't count? Do I need to bow to your hockey wisdom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fizz said: What my opinion doesn't count? Do I need to bow to your hockey wisdom? No you do not. Do and think whatever you like. However, my indifference toward your opinion on this particular subject cannot be overstated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, CoachX said: call me silly, but it sounded a lot like an excuse Those are not mutually exclusive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, CoachX said: call me silly, but it sounded a lot like an excuse Silly. Now what? Edited April 9, 2021 by OccamsRazor bourbon went down to easy... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 It's a point. The Flyers temporarily leap the Rangers, for 5th in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 dammit Hayes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Shootout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Sorokin was the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post radoran Posted April 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, FD19372 said: Sorokin was the difference. #hotgoalie No goalie has ever controlled 60 minutes of a game... Edited April 9, 2021 by radoran 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, radoran said: #hotgoalie No goalie have ever controlled 60 minutes of a game... I'm not making excuses for them. Just stating a fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 54 minutes ago, FD19372 said: The Flyers temporarily leap the Rangers Think about what you just typed.............yeah. Let's rest our brains. Mine are scrambled to witness what we witness every night. Goodnight friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: Think about what you just typed.............yeah. Let's rest our brains. Mine are scrambled to witness what we witness every night. Goodnight friend. I get it. It's so sad, man...really. Goodnight friend. Edited April 9, 2021 by FD19372 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, FD19372 said: I'm not making excuses for them. Just stating a fact. Did not mean to imply you were. Apologies if you inferred. More thinking of the media/locker room justification of why they lost. Again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, radoran said: Did not mean to imply you were. Apologies if you inferred. More thinking of the media/locker room justification of why they lost. Again. NP. I hear ya. It's lose, no one calls anyone out, no one gets pissed off. Everything's fine. Rinse, repeat. Same ol' BS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, radoran said: #hotgoalie No goalie have ever controlled 60 minutes of a game... I see what you did there. Cracked me the hell up, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, ruxpin said: I see what you did there. Cracked me the hell up, too. If you think "definitely a playoff team" has been ridden into the ground... Just wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, mojo1917 said: No you do not. Do and think whatever you like. However, my indifference toward your opinion on this particular subject cannot be overstated. Mattered enough that you commented on my post. Ok I'll play your game, what player on the Flyers is worth a first rounder and a top notch prospect? Aside from Hart, Provorov and Couturier and you aren't trading any of those three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elmatus Posted April 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2021 I can understand folks not wanting to pull the plug on this roster. I was there not so long ago for just about ten long years. As has been said a number of times now, there's only so much anyone's going to get from this bunch. The best they've mustered in this decade is some reasonably good runs in the second half of a couple seasons. That's no where near good enough for ten years of building around the same core players. Clearly, folks will have differing opinions on this stuff. Personally, I do not think this roster can compete for a cup as assembled. I don't think getting a veteran 30 some dman will solve the issues that have plagued this team now for ten years. I don't think adding someone with "leadership ability" will change anything either. The simplest and most likely reason for why the team has not ever been true contenders in the past decade is that they just can't. That's not something to be ashamed of either. Over the same ten years, really only maybe 4-5 teams have been consistent contenders, with maybe another 2-3 coming in and out of that zone. The vast majority of teams in this league have been no where near the stanley cup over this same timeframe. Sure, maybe they all lacked leadership, or drive to win games. Maybe they all had piss poor effort and didn't see the point of playing after signing their contracts. I suppose that is a possibility... but I can't say it's a realistic one. Much like the Flyers, the most likely reason why the majority of NHL teams have not been contenders is simply because their rosters are likewise just not good enough. The talent they have on offer just can't cut it. Unlike many of those teams, the Flyers have been good enough to make the playoffs many years during this decade. They've been abysmal once in the playoffs of course, with nothing but garbage play to show for their efforts. They've done this all while changing coaches and GMs, with none of that making any difference in terms of real success on the ice when it counts. This team needs a major roster change in a very real way. They need a true franchise-defining player or two to build around. Cam York is not that guy. Morgan Frost is not that guy. TK and Farabee are not that guy. We need at least one if not two players who are truly a cut above in terms of pure talent and skill, otherwise we will very likely lose to teams who do have those guys. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, elmatus said: They need a true franchise-defining player or two to build around. I think they have one. He's Carter Hart. Knowing this team's history with goalies, they'd better pray he is. Now, no one else on this roster is, so...they have to find one. Why am I not confident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fizz said: Mattered enough that you commented on my post. Ok I'll play your game, what player on the Flyers is worth a first rounder and a top notch prospect? Aside from Hart, Provorov and Couturier and you aren't trading any of those three. I do think Giroux is worth that. He's a proven and consistent playmaking point producer who would make virtually any team's top six. I have no doubt there are teams who see their window being open right now who would absolutely love to get their hands on a guy like him. But yeah, the others that really need trading right now won't fetch that kind of return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, FD19372 said: I think they have one. He's Carter Hart. Knowing this team's history with goalies, they'd better pray he is. Now, no one else on this roster is, so...they have to find one. Why am I not confident? Unless Hart starts churning out hat tricks, that just won't be enough. Besides, what we've seen from Hart so far is that he can be good and he can be bad. I certainly hope he's that level of goalie, and obviously he still has plenty of years to prove it, but we need to see more from him before making that kind of lofty claim I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, elmatus said: I do think Giroux is worth that. He's a proven and consistent playmaking point producer who would make virtually any team's top six. I have no doubt there are teams who see their window being open right now who would absolutely love to get their hands on a guy like him. But yeah, the others that really need trading right now won't fetch that kind of return. Even with Giroux do you think as a rental he is worth that much? He is a UFA after this season has a N/T clause. I just don't see it but ya never know I guess stranger things have happened. You know as long as the Leafs don't win the cup I'm ok. lol Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Fizz said: Mattered enough that you commented on my post. Ok I'll play your game, what player on the Flyers is worth a first rounder and a top notch prospect? Aside from Hart, Provorov and Couturier and you aren't trading any of those three. Here we go again Edited April 9, 2021 by CoachX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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