magnumpi

for Weber

schenn/courtier - goodbye

2 3rd line centers for a true #1 dman

adios

id see if someone overbids on Schenn

He's never going to be an impact player

@Vanflyer

agreed, I'd keep Luke.

But Brayden needs to be moved before he his trade value falls to zero

Brayden Schenn, unless he can spend his career as a wing

He'll never be a legitimate #2 center on a cup winning team

Clarke was a much better GM than Holmgren.

Holmgren is a total failure

my point about Courtier is not to give him away for less than full value

but do not treat him as an untouchable.

You can always find a shut down 3rd line center

this team needs another stud center

and wingers with skill.  They have nothing besides Vorachek

I've been in favor of patience and building a young team.

However, this is a poorly constructed young team.  There is little upside in any of these players.

A new GM is needed and perhaps the team needs to be blown up yet again.

id move Courtier as well, while his value is high

He'll never be anything greater than a 3rd line center

He has no skill at all

Until the Flyers get some skill, no cup

Schenn and Courtier are 3rd line players.

probably would have been better off keeping Carter.

has nothing to do with competing

outside of Giroux and Vorachek this team has zero skill

i edited

i used to post on phily.com as magumpi and gcobbnation, and when i was feeling a bit frisky id imitate Kuato and the guy who called himself The Tonner by posting in first person

c'mon just read the post

i put about 5 minutes into writing it

i gave it serious thought

Some of what I write here may seem hypocritical because i have been preaching patience for the past seasons, (well actually forever) but especially since the Carter/Richards trades.,

However, patience only works if team is constructed in an efficient manner.  And MagnumPI has determined that this team has been constructed in an ill conceived manner.  Even worse, I haVE concluded Clarke was a much better GM than Homer.

Now, the following ideas are what I would do if he were in Ed Snider's position.  I understand that all of the following ideas will not occur and most of them have zero chance of happening under Ed Snider's leadership.  Snider will continue operating under the "Flyer Way" and continue repeating the same mistakes of the past 40 years.  Flyer fans are in the same predicament as the Oakland Raiders prior to the passing of Al Davis - a once proud franchise stuck in neutral until the death of a senile owner; and the same current plight of Dallas Cowboy fans.

1) Comcast fire Ed snider

2) Hire someone oversee operations from outside the organization and he'll hire a GM, and the GM will then hire the coach.  (this doesn't exclude Hextall from consideration as GM)

3) Player moves

-  roster for next season - the only guarantees

1) Giroux/Vorachek

2) Simmonds

3) Courtier/Read

4) Laughton

Streit/Mcdonald - by default due to contract situation

G - Mason

I would be open to ttrading Read/Courtier and Laughton if it involved an elite player coming in return.  Read and Courtier will never be elite players.  They are very good 3rd line players on a championship team.  Neither will ever be a legit 2nd line player on a championship team.  I suspect Laughton has the same ceiling.

I would consider trading Simmonds as well in a similar scenario.  He's a borderline 2nd line player on a championship team.  You'll need him to play with a pair of superior players on that 2nd line. 

REad/Courtier/simmonds will never be impact players; however only trade them if you're getting great value in return.  In other words do no seek to trade them but do not pass an opportunity to acquire an elite dman, winger, or center because you want to keep them.

Luke Scheen - very similar to the above commentary.  His ceiling is a #4 dman on a championship team.  Again, don't dump him for the sake of dumping because you're mad at his play but if an opportunity arises then move him.

Hartnell/Lecavalier - dump them for anything, another hot persian weather girl, whatever

Brayden Schenn - MagnumPI has concluded his ceiling is a #2 center on an bottom of the rung playoff team.  Magnum can't rely on Brayden Schenn to carry a second line.  He's a tweener between a #2 and #3 center on a championship team.  If you conclude he can play wing then keep him but if not trade him while he still has value.  IF he''s a winger with Simmonds then you better get a stud #2 because Schenn and Simmonds as your 2nd line wings on a championshop level team is pushing it.  Better have two elite centers in that scenario - Giroux and ??????  Stasny?

Timonen/Grossman - Adios, Au revoir

Coburn - probably will have to keep him.  MagnumPI wouldn't dump him but in the right deal he'd be out of town.

Keep the 6th dman spot open for a young guy ie Ghost or Gus or whoever.  If no young player steps up next season then you can acaquire a #6 dman sometime before the trade deadline

Free Agents

Sign Stasny and Vanek

and the best puck moving dman.  Magnum hears pittsburgh has a nice UFA, begins with an A

Trade for Weber and Bobby Ryan.

Again, Magnum knows all these moves likely would never occur in a single off-season but Magnum is suggesting pursuing these moves.

5 game series loss

Flyers need another stud center.

plus a couple wingers

and a stud #1 dman

about 5 players short of being a serious contender

one and done this playoff

small chance against the Rangers or Penquins

if they play Boston it will be a 4 game massacre

magnumpi believes if they exercise patience, allow the defensive prospects develop, keep all the young forwards,  mason is a legitimate goalie then in 5 years they can be a powerhouse

biggest problem can be described as - no patience

it takes a few seasons to reap the benefits from a crop of young players

how do you explain the actually decent seasons the flyers have had under the same management?

 

and is your theory that once snider and holmgren are gone, poof, the flyers will start playing well?

thats really a silly response. its not what im saying at all

until the Flyers formulate a strategic plan other than applying band aids from season to season they will never win the cup and the band aid approach will exist as long as Snider is running the team

and the philadelphia sports media is not the friend of the philadelphia sports fan

i look at the big picture

and looking at the past 20 years there is a very clear pattern of a never ending circus with different actors.

Nothing will change until Snider, Clarke, and Holmgren are gone; that is very clear to me.

So, I'm not going to get upset at indivual player because in the grand scheme of things whether that player is replaced or not is meaningless.  The same problems will exist after he leaves until management is completely replaced.

i dont waste my time in minor details. 

sorry, I'm not buying the Claude Giroux is a talentless loser who needs to be dumped off the roster argument; when every other season there's a new loser who is supposedly the cause of all the problems. 

From Eric Lindros through Mike Richards and now Giroux these guys werrer losers and needed to moved. 

Why does this organization have a constant circus surrounding it?

Shouldnt you begin looking at management?

your missing the point

since the Lindros era there's been a different circus surrounding this team every couple seasons.

Shouldn't that tell you the problem lies at the heart of the organization? im not sure why this is difficult to understand.

Lindros then Cechmanek then Barber then Footsberg then Pronger and Richards then the Center City drunken crew then Brzgalov then LAvi now Giroux is a loser

Everyone becomes a loser when they play for this team.  Why is that?

assume these players are talentless and losers

who repeatedly acquires these losers?

the organization!!!!!!!

therefore the the entire organization needs to be gutted beginning with Snider

either way you look at it the problem begins with the Snider/Clarke/Holmgren band of drunken idiots.

Going on witch hunts against individual players is exactly what Snider wants you to do because it deflects from the root of the problem.

Not sure why this is so difficult to comprehend

Whenever the Flyers go through a stretch of poor play or dysfunctional drama, the Flyer fans jump on the media bandwagon and begin villifying individual players or coaches whether it be Eric Lindros, Roman Cechmanek, Bill Barber, Mike Richards, Brzgavlov, JVR, now its Giroux,

Why must people be sheep and begin following the scapegoat mantra of the media and the organization?

when its pretty obvious to see that its the culture of the organization since the latter half of the Lindros era.  Its the same BS over and over with different actors.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend????

Now we're shouting for Giroux's head to be chopped off at the gullotine.

And some wonder why MagnumPi believes Philly fans are STUPID; among the least intelligent