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Welp another sad day for Calgary with Lindholm going to Vancity...

This thread prediction is looking more and more likely with each win in this 16+ streak...

Any team that wins 16+ games in a row is doing everything right for sure

Finally a shut out for Marky

Lost Rusucka and DeSemone to waivers today

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

Thats some pretty concrete thinking on your part. 

@thegx.ca

 

I hope the kid isn't a rapist, i hope all kids arent rapists.

 

Better?

 

 

ffs

FFS...well of course that's better...big difference between barbarians and rapists...still why should you want to tag me with the barbarian questions?

13 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

When would this have been?

2020 after the bubble?

 

Wasn't going to happen then. 

 

Why would anyone rush to trade a player that doesn't need an extention if they are playing well and you think maybe this is the guy that fixes a decades long issue?

 

He's not going to get a new, big contract from DJ that seems clear from interviews I've heard.

 

As for hoping the kid didn't act like a barbarian,  I hope all kids don't act like barbarians. Why would a famous kid with sports skill be excluded? @thegx.ca

 

Its not silly- you could  read the article by Kate Strang, Dan Roboson and Ian Mendes that was in the Athletic . It will help you to understand how not silly that incident was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mainly because there's nothing wrong with being a barbarian...and everything wrong with being a rapist...but why ask me about that? Is there a specific post of mine that you replying to here or you just thought I should be the one to ask about barbarism?

5 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

It was nice to see him back a couple of days ago. I like his skillset.

 

Yeah he's good more dynamic than Anderson and Weegar because he's faster but less physical of course...not having him last year really hurt Calgary espcially after losing their 2 top producers...

4 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I was reading that Dube is currently in the care of health professionals. He's in seriously bad shape.

Kylington out for over a year too for personal reasons man what going on in Calgary faaak...

59 minutes ago, Samifan said:

The only that should be worried is McDavid’s mom 

Cougar Hunter Corey Perry

10 hours ago, Math said:

Perry should have been signed by the Oilers before the season start. He's not the sniper he used to be but he has a profile the Oilers are currently lacking. Corey Perry will simply make Corey Perry things on the ice: in front of the net and play his agitator role. Don't count on him in the regular season, he won't be a diffference maker but when the playoffs will come, then he will be the one to step up. He did exactly that with the Stars and then with the Habs.

Exactly he doesn't need to produce he just there to lead the charge and get everyone rilled up during the playoffs and he's good at that no one can deny haha...

Now Dube going mental too like Kylington...man why these Calgary players needing psychological repairs all the time...?

For league minimum like they signed Evander Kane back then this is an awesome move and I'm saying this seriously as a Calgary fan...I mean if they winning 13+ in a row now before trade deadline imagine how good they gonna be after adding more pieces leading up to playoffs? This is good news for Edmonton and bad news for rest of league...

On 1/14/2024 at 4:44 PM, yave1964 said:

These guys are UFA who will be moved at or near the deadline. 

Zaitsev

Hanifin if not resigned

Tanev

Lyinushkin

 Bean

Edmundson

 

  Edmonton is sorely lacking cap space but where there is a Will there is a way. Any of these guys healthy and playing second line would make them even deeper.

They got Corey Perry for league minimum that's good news for Edmonton and bad news for everyone else haha good move just like signing Evander Kane back then

Friggin Edmonchuck...

Man that's alot a wins...didn't think anyone would pass Roy...

Hopefully Huska can be another John Cooper...

13 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

The problem is, he always loses the room after a very short term. 

The good coaches like Sutter/Torts/etc are always hardasses but that's what wins championships so I'll always stick with winning coaches over the others because winning is more important than feelings...

3 hours ago, CoachX said:

Tortorella was the right man for head coach

 

 

 

Doesn't have to be defencemen either like if they somehow added a RNH like player like Backland or Granlund or Coleman etc that'd be awesome too then their 3rd line would be meaningful and the team overall more deep...even a Yanni Gourde or Jarkrock would be awesome...but obviously only Grandlund is a possibility which still would be a huge addition...even a Trevor Lewis to play with Derek Ryan is a significant improvement to me...

2 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

These guys are UFA who will be moved at or near the deadline. 

Zaitsev

Hanifin if not resigned

Tanev

Lyinushkin

 Bean

Edmundson

 

  Edmonton is sorely lacking cap space but where there is a Will there is a way. Any of these guys healthy and playing second line would make them even deeper.

If my choice and no cap I'd take Tanev and Hanifin not just because I'm a Flames fan but because they are the best out of that bunch for playoff purposes(defense)...adding Tanev and Hannifin to the Oilers would almost make them perfect in my opinion...if they could also add a goalie like Markstrom/Demko/Brobovski that would make it perfect in my opinion meaning only an all star team(Olympic) team would be better...

2 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

 

Not sure how to erase quotes after accidently pressing quote too much...

18 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

@thegx.ca

 

I'll just respond to the last one I see because every couple of minutes I get a new pop-up informing me of three or four responses to just a single post of mine... Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, figure out how to break up quotes in a single post.

 

 

A quick search for "oilers improved defensive play" shows numerous non-Oiler articles regarding this since the coaching change and the focus on improving defensively. I don't suspect that will make much of a difference. You started today by talking about how the best way to play defense is man-to-man like the Golden Knights and whiffed on that one when it became inconvenient, and just sort of casually brush aside literally anything that doesn't jibe with your view of "Edmonton can't play defense".

 

Around this site, I've famously put the Oilers and their management on blast for their failures, so have definitely earned the right to point out when they do something right and not be called an unfairly biased fan.

 

Out of interest of not answering multiple responses for any single post of mine, I'll bow out for now. Have a good one.

 

Ok...if reading multiple posts is too onerous for you then yeah by all means I'll try to put it all into one post but seems odd that reading multiple posts would cause problems since we are on a posting forum afterall...

As for your nit picking my posts and trying to pigeon hole me into Oilers can't play defense I really don't know how you got that from my posts...all I'm saying is other teams are better defensively than the Oilers and I think it's because of coaching/goaltending/defencemen...you are just trying to twist that into something more specific to fit your stats explain everything narrative...bottom line is nobody thinks the Oilers don't have goalie defensive issues but you so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that...

And as for the so called wiff about man to man vs zone coverage I never said it's the be all end all so read or quote my posts better...we all know that nobody here is an NHL coach and you might be an NHL statistical analysis but that still doesn't mean the Oilers are fine defensively or in net...time will tell and like I said before results is what I care about so when the Oilers win the Cup we'll debate again whether it was more because of offence or defence or goaltending etc...

Until then history has shown the Oilers haven't won enough in the playoffs for reason you and I disagree on...nothing matters much until that changes...

2 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

 

The time on ice accounted for special teams.

 

 

Literally every team plays their best players when they're trailing.

Not as much as Edmonton and ok if it's accounted for special teams that still doesn't change my mind because those stats don't match what I see every year...I mean is anyone taking your stats and concluding that Edmonton is just as defensively oriented team as any in the league?

3 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

I am in three fantasy leagues with most of these guys, I traded for Skinner in every single league about game ten for around fifty cents on the dollar. Edmonton always starts slow than catches fire. From a fantasy standpoint I love Skinner and it will get better. Ek'/ nurse/bouchard are damn good quality if someone wakes Holland up another will be added. I picked them to win the championship my mind has not been changed. 

If Holland adds to their defence like he did with Ekholm a defensive defensemen their chances obviously only go up...but I gotta say fantasy league has no bearing on real life haha don't you agree? I mean I've been watching hockey and playing fantasy leagues my whole life and even in a lifetime fantasy league and I never think that anything in fantasy will ever translate to championships in real life...out of all my years of existence it's almost a given that defence wins championships the exceptions being the Hall of Fame offenses of the Gretzky Oilers and Lemieux Penguins etc...

19 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

@thegx.ca

 

 

So, the quality of defense is much more about a style of structure being played rather than the effectiveness of that structure? Why would you care HOW chances are reduced, as long as that they ARE reduced? I'll tell you one thing for sure: NHL coaches couldn't care less.

 

Similarly, it would likely pain you, then, to learn that the Golden Knights employ a zone defense. In fact, in their win over the Oilers last playoffs, it was written about to no end how the Vegas was consistently exposing the Oilers man-to-man defense.

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/the-vegas-golden-knights-may-have-revolutionized-defensive-structure-164652469.html

Jim Montgomery on zone/vs man-to-man: "A lot of teams are going to this. You’re seeing it more and more in the league. We protect areas: we care more about where shots come from and what we give up. Typically, if you look at the analytics, it rewards teams that play that way, in quality scoring chances against.”

Was Montomgery right? Can we tell if it helped in Edmonton? Here are the Oilers numbers posted from last season, using a man-to-man, and this year since switching to zone defense:

 

 

They went from middling defensive numbers at their very best, to posting numbers right at the top of the league. The point of playing defense is to lower the number and quality of chances your team surrenders; not to play a certain style.

 

I almost feel silly pointing this out, but goaltending and defense aren't the same thing. A team plays defense to limit the number and quality of scoring chances their goaltender sees. The goalie stops what the defense allows.

 

 

Do the Oilers play their bottom six less than other teams? It takes a few minutes, but it's pretty easy to check out.

 

I took the top two teams in each division to see the average ice time of their bottom six to compare it to the Oilers this season. As it turns out, these teams use their bottom six for an average of 13:06 per night, but the number is really elevated because of the Golden Knights, who use those forwards for 16:30. The non-Vegas use of the bottom-six: 12:36 per night
The Oilers? 12:36

 

 

So, it turns out that the team you mention don't use their bottom-six any more than do the Oilers, but the Golden Knights definitely use their bottom-six much more than any other team in the league.

 

 

 

Jack Campbell has a SV% of .881 and a Quality Start% of 30% the last couple of years, resulting in his banishment to the American League. Skinner's numbers are .909 and 61%. They're obviously not comparable players.  Would I like the Oilers to get a bonafide #1 with a track record in this league? Jeez, of course. Did Skinner recover enough to not force their hand in a grotesque over-payment for something like that? Yes, that's clear.

And it doesn't pain me at all that Las Vegas used zone defence to beat Edmonton since chasing McJesus around the rink isn't a solution either so all you've proven is that zone defense works against the Oilers doesn't mean it shouldn't be man to man against other teams...bottom line is the teams I've mentioned are more defensive teams than Edmonton and that's why I think they'll do better in the playoffs...