SCFlyguy

Typical.  Flyers fans want to get rid of a guy they don't want anymore, but think he's worth prospects and 1st round picks.

Ghost looks mostly like a two-year offensive flash in the pan with defensive issues.  I wouldn't expect more than a 2nd and conditional 3rd round picks at this point (unless we are taking back an equally problematic player).

6 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

 

Speed = new NHL .... to say otherwise is just dumb 

And yet Ron Jeremy and others have complaining about team toughness like its 1985.

3 minutes ago, brelic said:

Wow. Penguins look like they have rocket boosters in their skates.

 

And yet we have caveman moron Flyer fans complaining the team isn't tough enough.  Speed kills.

I guess it wasn't the coaching, huh.

I was at the game.  Some observations:

1.  The entire team was fighting the puck and had difficulty completing a pass.  Islanders were very good.  Barzal is blazing fast; no one on the Flyers has his speed.

2.  Gostisbehere was terrible.  That pinch on the Barzal goal was obviously dumb.  As soon as I saw him make that pinch, I said to myself, "uh oh."  He made a lot of other poor plays and generally got pushed off the puck at every opportunity.  Have fun playing in Seattle, dude.

3.  I know it was his first game, but Morin looked like a newborn giraffe on skates.  He kept falling over and lunging at the puck with his stick.  He had no clue so he fit in perfect with Gostisbehere.

4.  Hart was terrible.  He hasn't been good outside of the streak last year.  Might be time to send him to the Phantoms.

5.  I was impressed with Hayes.  He was one of the few Flyers who looked like he had legs.  He protected the puck very well, takes up a lot of space on the ice, and seems like a smart player.  Not very dynamic but brings a lot to the table.

13 hours ago, brelic said:

 

That $1M retention on Gudas suuuuure don't look so good right now. 

 

And they've screwed themselves defensively because they don't want to give up Morin or Hagg for nothing by waiving them.... so it makes sense that Myers gets the cut. In all honestly, I think he played himself out of a spot at least to start.

 

What a mess that simply didn't need to be a mess.

 

 

Fletcher is a stone cold idiot.  Anyone nostalgic for the days of our cap situation causing us to dress ECHL defensemen because of an injury will love this guy.

28 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

I vote Rubtsov, Frost, and Farabee all make it.

 

Giroux - Couturier - Konecny

JVR - Hayes - Lindblom

Frost - Patrick - Voracek

Farabee - Rubtsov - Laughton

Raffl/Pitlick

 

Assuming an average of 50 ES minutes per game, give line 1 14 minutes, lines 2&3 12.5, and line 4 11. Adjust based on how the lines are playing and situation. 

There is a 0% chance this happens.  They are already an incredibly young team, they aren't going to add three more players under the age of 21.

Overpaying for a middling second line center UFA while playing hardball with your homegrown #1 defenseman is such a perfect Flyer move.  Fletcher fits this organization perfectly.

2 hours ago, vis said:

Another bit of an overpayment.

Funny, I am detecting a theme here.

11 minutes ago, elmatus said:

Really though, if this team becomes more than just a bubble team again next year, it will not be because of Niskanen or Braun or Hayes. It will be because of Provorov, TK, Sanheim, and Patrick -- without mentioning Frost. They're the ones who have untapped potential and who are the real wild cards in this whole equation. This is the legacy Hextall left behind, and it's one we should all regard quite highly.

This.  If the Flyers become a perennial playoff team the next several years, it will be because the Hextall draft picks pan out, not because of Ser Hayes of the Stone Hands.  Which begs the question:  why sign this guy to an above-market contract when he will never be a difference maker?

10 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Not looking at the length of anything just looking next year's roster/team

Ahh, the Holmgren/Fletcher school of GMing.

One that doesn't exist.

My prediction is Hayes scores 60 points this year (assuming good health and linemates) then never hits 55 again.  That would not be a good signing to me unless it accompanies several deep runs to the Conference/Cup Finals where he is a primary contributor.

He will be on the third or fourth line in three years.

59 minutes ago, CoachX said:

 its easy to match dollar for dollar and say they got the better deal. However, we are looking at it from a one sided POV. We dont know what Karlsson was looking for. Although its not the norm in today's sportsworld, where money rules, its quite possible his desire to stay in Vegas was a priority. For that reason, he could have taken a deal that he could live with, while allowing the team more cap room to work with.

 

One season remived from a SC final, I could see it.

 

If he signed elsewhere, the price tag could've been greater than that of hayes 

 

 

I'll put you on the list of people that think Hayes' contract was good so I can disregard anything you have to say going forward.

It only took OC three days to realize it is a steaming pile.

Seattle should love this contract in a year.

Karlson's contract makes the Hayes contract look even worse.  Karlson was an RFA, while Hayes was an UFA, but Karlson is the more desirable player in every way and signed for less money and less AAV.

Hayes Believers going to begging for this guy to be traded within three years when they realize how underwhelming he is and we have nowhere to play better, younger guys.

9 hours ago, hf101 said:

 

 

 

  to the forums.  We are a rather friendly crew here.

 

 

I know who you guys are.  I lurked for years and posted under the same name at the Philly.com boards.

My prediction is Hayes scores 60 points this year, then never sniffs 55 points again.

With the NMC, Hayes has to be protected in the Seattle draft, so look forward to losing one of Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost, Konecny, or Morin.

I live in NY, so I see a lot of Rangers games.  Hayes is a less talented Stepan:  another in a long line of young Ranger forwards who were supposed be stars and ended up being middle six guys at best.  A high end grinder with a little skill, but not a dynamic game changer in any way, shape, or form.

Hayes is worth $5M-$5.5 at best.  Given the market, $6M would have been acceptable.  At $7M+, Flyers fans will want this guy off the team in under three years.